Plagueis and Sidious vs Bane and Zannah

“Let me explain what is happening to you,” Plagueis said. “The cells that make up all living things contain within them organelles known as
midi-chlorians. They are, in addition to being the basis for life, the elements that enable beings like me to perceive and use the Force. As the result
of a lifetime of study, I have learned how to manipulate midi-chlorians, and I have instructed the limited number you possess to return to their
source. In plain Basic, Veruna, I am killing you.”
Veruna’s face was losing color, and his breathing had slowed. “Bring … me back. I can still be … of service … to you …”
“But you are, Your Majesty. A celebrated ancient poet once said that every death lessened him, for he considered himself to be a brother to every
living being. I, on the other hand, have come to understand that every death I oversee nourishes and empowers me, for I am a true Sith.”
“No … better than … an Anzati.”
“The brain eaters? What does better than mean to those of us who have passed beyond notions of good and evil? Are you better than Bon
Tapalo? Are you better than Queen Padmé Amidala? I am the only one 􀀲t to answer the question. Better are those who do my bidding.” Plagueis
placed his hand atop Veruna’s. “I’ll remain with you for a while as you meld with the Force. But at some point, I will have to leave you at the
threshold to continue on your own.”
“Don’t do this … Damask. Please …”
“I am Darth Plagueis, Veruna. Your shepherd.”
As life left Veruna’s body, the path he and Plagueis followed wound deeper into darkness and absence. Then Plagueis stopped, overcome by a
sudden sense that he had already seen and traveled this path."

Veruna instantly loses strength here. All he can do is weakly plead as Plagueis kills him.

Palpatine also notes Plagueis got sloppy and decided to gloat rather than making a quick end, like Maul did to his prey. "Had Plagueis done so before killing Veruna? Had he felt compelled to come out from behind his mask? To be honest?" Palpatine comments on 'drawing out the moment' instead of making a quick end.

The best part, is it doesn't matter. Zannah is a weakling next to these two and Bane's only a factor do the orbalisks. Both can make sure neither knows their intentions and even if Plagueis cannot instantly murder them? Well, it's simple: He just uses the technique while dueling them unless you make the laughable argument Bane can steam roll them in saber combat.

It's a quick and easy fight. Zannah tries that nonsense with the tentacles, Plagueis hits her with a force wave that atomizes her, or snaps his fingers and bursts apart a vessel in her brain while she can't defend. Hell, what stops a force shield form blocking those, since you're so fond of that defense?

Palpatine or Plagueis kill Bane pretty easily. All Plagueis has to do is murder a single orbalisk in the force. Hell, Palpatine can do that with force lightning at worst.

Respectfully, you're not being fair to Zannah. Do you really think her Force barriers won't mitigate Plagueis's Force wave?

Zannah did block the planet-wide Force Storm Bane unleashed in PoD when she was only 12-ish I recall.

Are you referring to the Thought Bomb?

Darovit, Kiel Charny, Bug, Githany and a lot of bouncers survived that, too. Impressive? Sure. Enough to survive concentrated power from a far stronger Sith? Especially when you consider that any focus on sorcery leaves her incapable of defending?

Oh, and Darth Azard uses this attack to guard from a massive explosion as well.

Originally posted by CityOfHope
Are you referring to the Thought Bomb?

No, the ritual Bane does that creates a massive firestorm.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Darovit, Kiel Charny, Bug, Githany and a lot of bouncers survived that, too. Impressive? Sure. Enough to survive [b]concentrated power from a far stronger Sith? Especially when you consider that any focus on sorcery leaves her incapable of defending?

Oh, and Darth Azard uses this attack to guard from a massive explosion as well. [/B]

She actually blocked it though, and shes an untrained 12 year old. Quite impressive for something done on instinct.

What attack are you talking about?

Yeah, so did the others. they were right in the path of the conflagration to boot.

And I meant defense. Again, this doesn't begin to compare to the power Plagueis would sling concentrated at her. Consider that we see the corpses of people hit by the storm after. They're intact whereas Plagueis can all but atomize someone with his force waves.

While it is undoubtedly impressive, didn't Bane breach Zannah's shield during their struggles?

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Yeah, so did the others. they were right in the path of the conflagration to boot.

And I meant defense. Again, this doesn't begin to compare to the power Plagueis would sling concentrated at her. Consider that we see the corpses of people hit by the storm after. They're intact whereas Plagueis can all but atomize someone with his force waves.

Unless the Zannah in this thread is 12 I don't see how thats a fair comparison. 😐

I was using that as an example of Zannahs power even at that young an age and with no training whatsoever. Nothing more.

You're saying that Zannah will block a stronger attack fully concentrated upon her from a more powerful Sith Lord, possibly when she is incapable of defense?

Of course thats what I'm saying. Nice of you to notice. 😐

I'm not sure what you're saying, tbh. Zannah's resistance of the storm is impressive, but since I'm pretty sure her defenses were breached even when she was older, trained, and exponentially more powerful as a combatant, I don't see how it functions as evidence to conclude she could resist Plagueis's Force wave.

I only brought it up to support your point you *******.

The difference between the assassins and Zannah is that the latter is known to be Force-sensitive whereas the former are not. She could potentially offer resistance whereas they couldn't. So I'm not convinced that his wave is guaranteed to smash through. On the other hand, I'm not convinced she's capable of stopping it. I agree with Lightsnake that Plagueis is her superior.

Palpatine or Plagueis kill Bane pretty easily. All Plagueis has to do is murder a single orbalisk in the force. Hell, Palpatine can do that with force lightning at worst.

Lightsnake's argument that Plagueis could manipulate the midichlorians of an orbalisk to die is actually pretty clever and certainly feasible. Amusing to think that, here, they might be more of a liability than an asset.

You stated that he needs some level of concentration to do that. How does that fare in a saber duel with Bane? Or when he's getting chewed out via sith sorcery?

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
You stated that he needs some level of concentration to do that. How does that fare in a saber duel with Bane? Or when he's getting chewed out via sith sorcery?

Where did I say that? He does have to concentrate early in the book to perceive midi-chlorians; Veruna's death occurs near the end and it's an entirely different game. Plagueis is prolonging the process and walking around and talking to his victim all the while.

Oh the other forum. I'm really not sure how any of this is relevant to an intense fight, much less the hyperbole. I can't accurately dictate revan's superiority over character X because he's the heart of the force.

I'm not sure what Revan being called the heart of the Force has to do with Plagueis manipulating midichlorians.