Plagueis and Sidious vs Bane and Zannah

Started by Nephthys8 pages

According to Wookie:

"Tales of the Jedi Companion states that Force drain cannot be performed on sentient beings."

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Hmm.... Intresting. Then I guess there is a diffrence between force drain and giga-drain. But then those that use drain on sentients such as the dark reaper, Palpatine, and Nihilus must be using giga-drain.

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Yeah, I'm pretty sure that must have been retconned.

Originally posted by ares834
When did Bandon and Revan actually use it? Regardless, it's pretty easy to exlpain why KotOR era Sith would know how to use it with Malachor and the Exile around.

Bandon:

It is among the Sith powers assigned to Bandon in KOTOR. He uses this technique against you when you face him. He actually drains multiple opponents simultaneously.

Revan:

Drain Force has been identified as one of his special talents in the KOTOR CG.

Also, Revan (during his last known captivity) replenished his energies by feeding on the powerful presence near him; Force Ghost of Meetra Surik.

Originally posted by ares834
Also where did Bane use something remotely similar. What he used on Tython seemed completley different.

I shall look into this. Some members are of the opinion that he knows Drain Force.

Dark Lord of the Sith Darth Bane was able to create a spherical deadly field of pure dark side energy around himself that instantly withered away anyone unlucky enough to be caught within its radius.

Thanks Neph. That saved me the effort.

Clearly since no defence is known against such a technique, none exists. Therefore Bane wins neener neener neener.

There is one method:

During last known captivity of Revan; Vitiate fed on Revan to satiate his hunger. Revan in turn fed on Force Ghost of Meetra to replenish his energies and survive.

The method is to drain others while getting drained. I believe that only very powerful individuals can pull this off.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Dark Lord of the Sith Darth Bane was able to create a spherical deadly field of pure dark side energy around himself that instantly withered away anyone unlucky enough to be caught within its radius.

“Cloaked in the shadowy gloom, Bane simply held his ground against the enemy assault. The front ranks of onrushing cultists shrieked in agony as they entered the field, their life essence violently sucked out of their bodies, aging them a thousand years in only a few seconds. Muscles and tendons atrophied instantaneously; their skin withered and shrank, pulling tight across their bones. Eyes and tongues shriveled, turning them into mummified husks before their desiccated flesh crumbled away, leaving only skeletal remains and a few strands of hair.

The effort of creating an aura of pure dark side energy would have quickly exhausted even Bane. However, as his enemies fell he was able to draw their essence into himself, feeding on their energies to revitalize his fading strength and reinforcing the field in preparation for the next wave of victims.”

Doesn't look like force drain to me what with the aging. Still badass though.

Sounds like a variant of Drain Force to me. Feeding on the energies part supports this assumption.

Thanks for the details.

What Vitiate did on Nathema seems eerily similar to what Nihilus did on Katarr. Not the same, but similar.

Yes. Vitiate is among the practitioners of this Sith technique.

Yes, it is oddly similar. I don't know why the Exile didn't mention the similarities at all, but I suppose Drew just might have missed the connection.

Also apparantly the ritual Vitiate performed is being called The Void. Update your vernacular.

Drew's a dumbass. According to the novel, Kreia led a group of Jedi to the dark side rather than regroup the remnants of Revan's Empire.

Now hang on I just read that "the pair of them(Sidious and Plagueis) through intense meditation were able to direct the dark side of the force into ascension, tossing aside the light. It was theorized by his master that anakin had to be the result of the force balancing itself out, after their own actions in essence a random phenomenon that caught the pair of them off guard when the boy was discovered. Plageuis saw in anakin the destroyer of all the work he had spent his lifetime building. Sidious saw in anakin through his rebellious nature the apprentice that would have no equal.

That's an insane force feat, just two Sith Lords threw the Force out of balance.

Heres the full quote:

Darth Plagueis

pg 279

All that mattered was, almost a decade earlier, they had succeeded in willing the Force to shift and tip irrevocably to the dark side. Not a mere paradigm shift, but a tangible alteration that could be felt by anyone strong in the Force, and whether or not trained in the Jedi or Sith arts.

The shift had been the outcome of months of intense meditation, during which Plagueis and Sidious had sought to challenge the Force for sovereignty and suffuse the galaxy with the power of the dark side. Brazen and shameless, and at their own mortal peril, they had waged etheric war, anticipating that their own midi-chlorians, the Force's proxy army, might marshal to boil their blood or stop the beating of their hearts. Risen out of themselves, discorporate and as a single entity, they had brought the power of their will to bear, asserting their sovereignty over the Force. No counterforce had risen against them. In what amounted to a state of rapture they knew that the Force had yielded, as if some deity had been tipped from its throne. On the fulcrum they had fashioned, the light side had dipped and the dark side had ascended.

Personally I'd say that we need to evaluate the phrase ' No counterforce had risen against them' before we establish how great a feat this was.

Two Sith Lords meditated for months and managed to, through sheer force of will, drastically shift the galaxy's omnipotent energy field. Is it applicable to combat? No, but I'm unaware of any other being who had that kind of effect on the Force.

Originally posted by HigherPlace
Two Sith Lords meditated for months and managed to, through sheer force of will, drastically shift the galaxy's omnipotent energy field. Is it applicable to combat? No, but I'm unaware of any other being who had that kind of effect on the Force.
I recall in ESB Palpatine sensing a "great disturbance in the Force" shortly after Leia kissed Luke.

Glad I wasn't the only one distrubed.

ROFL. Seriously?