Originally posted by CosmicComet
What are surfer's best speed feats sans flight with the board?
Responding and seeing along with tagging a being that was using teleportation during combat.
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Originally posted by carver9
You don't know what I have read.As for the rest of your post...Surfer has destroyed planets, Surfer absorbed an entire Sun into his body, during annihilation, Surfer was shooting blast so powerful that it created a black hole light years wide. Has Supes done these things.
And Superman took 50 Supernovas head on, survived a sun eater, survived in the Earth Crust for 7 yrs while being depowed and having molten magma fill his lungs, ears, eyes.
Held a black hole in his hand, reheat stars with his heat vision. Moved Mageddon, move Warworld, survived being crushed between Apakolips and New Genesis.
Want me to go on, because i can, and all those feats are of Post-Crisis Superman, imagine if i started naming his Pre-Crisis feats.
Originally posted by SquallX
And Superman took 50 Supernovas head on, survived a sun eater, survived in the Earth Crust for 7 yrs while being depowed and having molten magma fill his lungs, ears, eyes.Held a black hole in his hand, reheat stars with his heat vision. Moved Mageddon, move Warworld, survived being crushed between Apakolips and New Genesis.
Want me to go on, because i can, and all those feats are of Post-Crisis Superman, imagine if i started naming his Pre-Crisis feats.
This isn't about just Supes and Surfer...like I've stated, Surfer is the most powerful Herald easily IMO. You can disagree, I have no problem with that.
hmmm........turning into a superman/thor/silver surfer thread
anywho fanboyish bias aside, Captain Marvel/Black Adam powerset is another fav of mine, mixture of high end speed, strength, durability, and magical powerset makes them highly respected in the herald class.
p4p they are extremely capable fighters especially when pushed...their only downfall would be energy projection, although the magic lightning is very powerful the fact that they have to say the word "shazam" and dodge the bolt limits them, as well as its limited range. But as far as solid brick heralds go they are among the best
Originally posted by SquallX
Both of them are heralds no denying that, and those are at there base form.Where as BA WW3 i would put as a trans easily, and Day Of Vengeance CM as a Skyfather, and up.
hmmmm...i disagree.
ww3 BA didnt do anything that suggested he was trans imo...the feats he accomplished could be replicated by any high herald
Having taken a step back from comics and forum debating for a while, I have a new perspective on character power levels.
The way I see it trying to fix any character at a particular level in comics is almost bound to fail. Especially guys in the Herald category.
Now I'm not saying we should give credence to insanely high or low showings (what constitutes those should be up to a reasonable person standard) but I honestly think that the distinction between Herald and Trans is like the distinction between Low Meta and Street sometimes.
Originally posted by SquallX
How can you so easily agrees when you don't even read Superman comics.Anything Surfer has done, Superman has done it, or something similar.
On his own power, Surfer can look in the past and in the future, and can time travel too.
He can teleport, and do it between dimensions too.
He has telepathy.
He can re-arrange molecule, and has a control over the matter.
His flight speed is only tie or maybe surpass (maybe) by the Flash and Zoom. And that's not sure.
He's probably the best tracker in the MU: when Galactus need a GPS, he uses Silver Surfer.
And he has the cosmic awarness.
Without CIS, fighting at full abilities, Surfer would utterly destroy Superman
Originally posted by Bouboumaster
On his own power, Surfer can look in the past and in the future, and can time travel too.He can teleport, and do it between dimensions too.
He has telepathy.
He can re-arrange molecule, and has a control over the matter.
His flight speed is only tie or maybe surpass (maybe) by the Flash and Zoom. And that's not sure.
He's probably the best tracker in the MU: when Galactus need a GPS, he uses Silver Surfer.
And he has the cosmic awarness.
Without CIS, fighting at full abilities, Surfer would utterly destroy Superman
Fine, then i'll use a composite Superman.
On his own, he can travel so fast, that he would have destroyed all reality if he wasn't stopped.
He can travel back in time.
He once sneezed away a solar system.
He can fix tear in the universe with just his heat vision.
He can hold Black Holes in his hands.
He can juggle Planets.
He's heat vision is hot enough to reignite a dying Star.
He can lobotomizes you brain by using his heat vision, by simply using you're eyes as the entry point.
Originally posted by SquallXMore than half of that is PC...
Fine, then i'll use a composite Superman.On his own, he can travel so fast, that he would have destroyed all reality if he wasn't stopped.
He can travel back in time.
He once sneezed away a solar system.
He can fix tear in the universe with just his heat vision.
He can hold Black Holes in his hands.
He can juggle Planets.
He's heat vision is hot enough to reignite a dying Star.
He can lobotomizes you brain by using his heat vision, by simply using you're eyes as the entry point.
Originally posted by MF DELPH
In my opinion the only place where there's any argument between Superman and Surfer is strength (Supes pretty much got that on lock as Norrin isn't a physical character), durability (where it could go either way), and 'combat speed' (where Superman has superior movement speed of his limbs whereas Surfer has faster travelling speed and comparable agility/maneuverability, if not hand/eye coordination in purely melee applications). Beyond those three areas Surfer has Superman trumped significantly in terms of power. All of Superman's other abilities Surfer could duplicate and or surpass, and there's a myriad of things Surfer can do that Superman simply can't under his own power. Where Superman trumps Surfer, however, is in standing within the hero community. Superman is DC's go to man and as such has more feats and reputation for doing the impossible on a regular basis. That aside, Surfer [b]IS more powerful, by a very comfortable margin, just not necessarily more 'effective' given Supes' being written as Hero #1 and feats associated with such standing. Superman does more with less, but no, he's not more powerful, he's just exceptionally good at making endless amounts of lemonade with the 6 lemons he has. [/B]
that wasn't what I was talking about, though.
Originally posted by carver9
You don't know what I have read.As for the rest of your post...Surfer has destroyed planets, Surfer absorbed an entire Sun into his body, during annihilation, Surfer was shooting blast so powerful that it created a black hole light years wide. Has Supes done these things.
But I do.
Originally posted by Bouboumaster
On his own power, Surfer can look in the past and in the future, and can time travel too.He can teleport, and do it between dimensions too.
He has telepathy.
He can re-arrange molecule, and has a control over the matter.
His flight speed is only tie or maybe surpass (maybe) by the Flash and Zoom. And that's not sure.
He's probably the best tracker in the MU: when Galactus need a GPS, he uses Silver Surfer.
And he has the cosmic awarness.
Without CIS, fighting at full abilities, Surfer would utterly destroy Superman
Half if not most of that doesn't even apply to a straight fight.
My God. facepalm It's either Superman is just as versatile as Surfer/Thor (which he's not) or that Superman doesn't even make the top 3-5 heralds in comics.
Superman can't compete in a swiss army knife like competition with the likes of Surfer and Thor. They can do far more than he can through power application. That's just the reality of the situation. Trying to argue against it is either showing a lack of knowledge of what Thor and Surfer have and can do or displaying a profound biased toward the S-Shield.
Superman does display highly impressive capabilities and creative with what he's given, though. He's skilled in the use of his power set, and I believe it was dmills who said that he can be just as much a scalpel in terms of precision and technique as he can be an overpowering hammer. His dynamic physical attributes also enable him to compete with virtually nearly every herald one on one and look pretty good, if not win. And that's without factoring in his "aura" or "unbeatable story" which shouldn't mean much, if anything, in the typical forum battle.
There's really no need to go into one of these two ridiculous extremes.
