Top Tier/Herald Class: Who is the #1 p4p?

Originally posted by Nihilist
Surfer has physically beat down classic Abomination that was 2x a Savage Hulk iirc.

Originally posted by janus77
Surfer has also withstood prolonged assaults from skyfather+ beings. rematerialised from atoms (against UniLord) and been sliced and diced without any effect.

Surfer can take assaults from T&A, Superman isn't doing anything much that Surfer cannot endure and counter.

Basically Surfer outmatches Superman on every metric of measure.

So that would make Surfer indestructible huh and that Thanos wouldn't be able to harm him right? Otherwise, you are contradicting yourself.
Lastly, you must learn of Superman's feats. You would find them comparable or superior.

Originally posted by MF DELPH
It is a cold hard fact that Surfer is superior to Superman in many departments, Superman is simply depicted as always overcoming the odds despite the shortcomings of his powerset. He's like the handyman that somehow manages to fix every problem that arises with skillful applications of a hammer, Philip's head screwdriver, and duct tape, versus Surfer who has an entire Home Depot worth of abilities but isn't always on the job to showcase it.

Surfer is only superior when it comes to versatility. That's it.
Superman is superior in strength (by a lot in terms of strenght feats),fighting skills, combat speed, and arguable durability. If it wasn't for Surfer's speed, Superman would pawn him 10/10.

With that said, most agree that Surfer is slightly above Superman as far as p4p in heralds. But to say he is head and shoulder's above (considering Surfer's character) is asinine.

My vote is

1. Surfer

Superman has too many weaknesses.

Surfer is good all around but the power cosmic is inferior to magic and he can't be good against all kinds of opponents.

With that said i'm giving it to Thor.

1. Thor
2. Surfer

The battle for 3d place will be interesting.

Originally posted by Sabro
Superman has too many weaknesses.

Surfer is good all around but the power cosmic is inferior to magic and he can't be good against all kinds of opponents.

With that said i'm giving it to Thor.

1. Thor
2. Surfer

The battle for 3d place will be interesting.

Good argument. But what good is magic if you are too slow and have less durability? Being good to all kinds of opponents doesn't mean you are the best, but just a jack of trades. Superman can beat guys Thor can't (like Glads or CM or WW). This is because of the speed deficit Thor has.

Depending how you use it the PC> Magic (of Thor's). Surfer can do more things than Thor and can beat beings Thor can't dream of beating (crunch energies).
Superman's weaknesses are void if you can't exploit it to the degree where he can beat you down first. Plus you forget Superman can become intangible and has ftl reflexes and super smarts.

Imagine a being many times stronger than you able to knock your lights out before you can blink and then you see that their weakness don't really come into play to the degree you are thinking.

Surfer
Superman
Thor

Speed Kills.

Why do people keep saying Superman is weak to magic. Magic is not his weakness, Krytonite is. He's just more susceptible to magical attacks.

Originally posted by SquallX
Why do people keep saying Superman is weak to magic. Magic is not his weakness, Krytonite is. He's just more susceptible to magical attacks.

Being more susceptible = being weaker against something.

It's not his main weakness, but he's not as strong against it as he is most everything else.

^Really

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman survives magical attacks from disciple which not even diana and zauriel could survive

Originally posted by abhilegend
^Really

Thank you for providing that scan.

Some people on this board just throws the magic weakness out there without even thinking, or knowing what there talking about.

^ agreed, some people think that a magic sensitivity = depowering superman to human levels

Somebody was saying Superman is as versatile as Thor or Surfer... LOL That is about as bad as carver claiming Hulk is trans tier.

^Who said that? I was just pointing to the fact that there's things which only superman has done. No one said that superman is as versatile as thor or surfer but you know versatility is not indicator of power.

Originally posted by h1a8
Superman can beat guys Thor can't (like Glads or CM or WW). This is because of the speed deficit Thor has.

Thor can beat Gladiator (he's actually done that before on panel), CM, and WW. 😬

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Somebody was saying Superman is as versatile as Thor or Surfer... LOL That is about as bad as carver claiming Hulk is trans tier.

I never said Hulk was low trans, I said at world Breaker he is at high trans to low skyfather. Get it right.

Originally posted by h1a8
Abom was > a low Savage Hulk. Remember Savage Hulk is variable and can be operating anywhere from a few hundred tons to ... Plus we are talking about Superman here. Abom is irrelevant seriously.

So that would make Surfer indestructible huh and that Thanos wouldn't be able to harm him right? Otherwise, you are contradicting yourself.
Lastly, you must learn of Superman's feats. You would find them comparable or superior.

Surfer is only superior when it comes to versatility. That's it.
Superman is superior in strength (by a lot in terms of strenght feats),fighting skills, combat speed, and arguable durability. If it wasn't for Surfer's speed, Superman would pawn him 10/10.

With that said, most agree that Surfer is slightly above Superman as far as p4p in heralds. But to say he is head and shoulder's above (considering Surfer's character) is asinine.

My vote is

1. Surfer

Lol at this post. Surfer has done things speed wise that no one in this thread has done. Surfer is faster. Surfer IS more durable than everyone here as well. Surfer is overall more powerful. The only argument is strength and thats even debatable.

Originally posted by carver9
The only argument is strength and thats even debatable.

Not really.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Not really.

Surfer has some amazing strength fts...matching beings like Hulk, Thor, and Bill.

Originally posted by carver9
I never said Hulk was low trans, I said at world Breaker he is at high trans to low skyfather. Get it right.

Carver, Hulk isn't evne High Herald level.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Carver, Hulk isn't evne High Herald level.

Lol...that's like me saying Thanos is low meta.

Then Hulk would be average human

Originally posted by carver9
Lol at this post. Surfer has done things speed wise that no one in this thread has done. Surfer is faster. Surfer IS more durable than everyone here as well. Surfer is overall more powerful. The only argument is strength and thats even debatable.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, surfer is neither faster nor stronger than superman and that IS NOT DEBATABLE. He isn't more durable either but it's debatable.

I never said Surfer was stronger than Superman, what I said was Surfer has matched people strength wise who are high heralds. He isn't stronger than Supes and my post isn't only just about Supes, its about every Herald and Surfer is more durable imo and can match any of them physically if it came to it and can amp via power cosmic. Surfer IS more durable than any herald imo as well and he is MUCH faster as well.