Originally posted by cdtm
The Nefaria overrating on other forums is because he's a Kirby creation, right?On another forum I used to visit, it's been seriously argued by otherwise credible posters that Count Nefaria is like an evil Pre Crisis Superman.. His best strength feat is, what, lifting a skyscraper? And his speeds kind of a slow super sonic, if he's 100 times the Whirlwind.
Anyways...
1. If Iron Man in "Overdrive mode" can KO Savage Hulk, Nefaria should be able to as well, since he matched and overpowered IM while overdriving.
2. Hulk.
huh? kirby didn't create nefaria.... 😕
and palming thor's hammer still ranks as one of the great feats any brick can pull off.... he also COMPLETELY no sold wonderman's punches.
http://www.supermegamonkey.net/chronocomic/entries/scans/A165_WonderManVsNefaria.JPG
that is a hell of a feat given some of simon's own showings. he's NOT pre-c supes, obviously, but that early team of avengers that finally beat him was pretty stacked--thor, IM, vision, wonderman and scarlet witch all worked together to take him out. great showing for the count, no way around it.
Originally posted by leonidas
huh? kirby didn't create nefaria.... 😕and palming thor's hammer still ranks as one of the great feats any brick can pull off.... he also COMPLETELY no sold wonderman's punches.
http://www.supermegamonkey.net/chronocomic/entries/scans/A165_WonderManVsNefaria.JPG
that is a hell of a feat given some of simon's own showings. he's NOT pre-c supes, obviously, but that early team of avengers that finally beat him was pretty stacked--thor, IM, vision, wonderman and scarlet witch all worked together to take him out. great showing for the count, no way around it.
Hulk recently ignored guys 3 guys that punched him, and they are ranked higher than Wonderman in the strength department.
Originally posted by Damborgson
hmm i disagree with this. Wonderman is pretty beastly in strength.
Based on the time period, Simon was never as strong as Savage Hulk, Bi-Beast, or Wendigo as Carver pointed out, nor was he ever written to be on their level in terms of strength. Wendigo was taking it to the X-Men, Savage Hulk and Sasquatch. The Savage Hulk was never able to claim a decisive victory over him, nor did he ever embarrass Bi-Beast. Simon was never able to take it to Savage Hulk for a long period of time, and was always seen as being a step above the Thing.
Fin Fang Foom, Wendigo, Bi-Beast, Arm'Cheddon, and an army of Forgotten Ones, would have been way over Wonderman, at the time that Nefaria was no selling his punches.
Originally posted by carver9base level yeah. and it depends on the wendigo. some arent even as strong as gray hulk. Wonderman has been able to give Thor hell physically and even overpower him once if im correct. Thor was holding back of course and when he got serious he took him out, but the point is WM is no lightweight. He's around proffesor hulk level.
Wonderman isn't as strong as Savage Hulk and Bi Beast and Wendigo is just as strong as Savage Hulk.
Originally posted by Damborgson
base level yeah. and it depends on the wendigo. some arent even as strong as gray hulk. Wonderman has been able to give Thor hell physically and even overpower him once if im correct. Thor was holding back of course and when he got serious he took him out, but the point is WM is no lightweight. He's around proffesor hulk level.
The Wendigo of HOTM was the original. Wonderman once attempted to show off in front of Ms. Marvel, claiming that he could lift weight that Thor routinely lifted, and was nearly crushed when he realized that he was way out of his league.
The battle that Simon had with Professor Hulk seemed almost like PIS and CIS to me. Not once was he ever able to rise to that height of power, he even had trouble with the Thing, who was far below the Prof. Hulk, and then suddenly he's giving him a hard time? There are times in comics, that certain writers are willing to ignore past events, due to their likes or dislikes of the character that they are writing. If Simon could replicate that feat a couple more times, then I would place him well within that range, but Simon has always just been one of those guys, that could take a heavy beating while keeping the big bad guy from killing everyone in sight. He's never been a team crusher or anything.
Originally posted by Stoicthats not entirely true. if I remember correctly wonderman was able to lift the weight all the way and them after a bit said he wasnt quite thor in strength. So he did lift it. Just not as welll as thor can.
The Wendigo of HOTM was the original. Wonderman once attempted to show off in front of Ms. Marvel, claiming that he could lift weight that Thor routinely lifted, and was nearly crushed when he realized that he was way out of his league.The battle that Simon had with Professor Hulk seemed almost like PIS and CIS to me. Not once was he ever able to rise to that height of power, he even had trouble with the Thing, who was far below the Prof. Hulk, and then suddenly he's giving him a hard time? There are times in comics, that certain writers are willing to ignore past events, due to their likes or dislikes of the character that they are writing. If Simon could replicate that feat a couple more times, then I would place him well within that range, but Simon has always just been one of those guys, that could take a heavy beating while keeping the big bad guy from killing everyone in sight. He's never been a team crusher or anything.
What about his fights with thor? he's given him a good bit of trouble more thsn once. He's crushed adamantium ultrons head(could have been secondary. If you know please correct me.) And spoken of as a near equal to
thor in strength/striking.
Wouldnt be the first the thing has challenged someone he should be below physically. Its more of a showing than anything.
Originally posted by StoicYou realize Rulk was sapping his powers right?
What? Rulk took a hit in the face by Thor's hammer full force, and sat there with a grin on his face. The Hulk broke Rulks ass. Nefaria would get the snot beaten out of him by present day Hulk. Savage Hulk would have a very hard time with him, and lose the majority, if and only if Nefaria is quick about taking him out.
Originally posted by iceman24567
You realize Rulk was sapping his powers right?
Whoops, I forgot all about Rulk's siphoning of Thor. I doubt that it would matter much though with the Hulk, because Nefaria wouldn't be no selling the butt kicking that he would receive from him. The Hulk can go far beyond what Nefaria has to offer. We can go into small, medium, and large feats, in vivid detail, and Nefaria's feats fall very short of what the Hulk has done over the past 5 years.
Anybody that thinks Simon is or was a pushover, hasn't read all of the books with him in it. When he was created, he was billed, pretty much, as the first character that is on the level as Thor or Hulk, without being a God or a Monster.
He was an "everyman" character that could hang with the super-heavies.
And, no, the Hulk and Rulk never did these things:
Originally posted by Horrificus
Anybody that thinks Simon is or was a pushover, hasn't read all of the books with him in it. When he was created, he was billed, pretty much, as the first character that is on the level as Thor or Hulk, without being a God or a Monster.
He was an "everyman" character that could hang with the super-heavies.
And, no, the Hulk and Rulk never did these things:
Hulk did something better and grabbed Thor arm and used Thor own hammer and made Thor beat the hell out of himself.
