Yes, it is my contention still that Superman uses a different powerset to move something while flying, rather than when he's on the ground.
And I just call to attention how often Superman is matched in h2h strength by characters who have none of the dramatic feats you and others have listed. Either it's comic writers & editors with very flexible logic, or something else is true.
Originally posted by roughrider
Yes, it is my contention still that Superman uses a different powerset to move something while flying, rather than when he's on the ground.And I just call to attention how often Superman is matched in h2h strength by characters who have none of the dramatic feats you and others have listed. Either it's comic writers & editors with very flexible logic, or something else is true.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Proof?
That's true for any character in comics. What does that have to do with the topic at the hand? Majority of times superman is holding back though. The same thing happened with thor recently, tutinax rings a bell?
Thor claims to hold back as well, most of the time.
Proof? How about simple logic?
If someone uses a power to force themselves through the air, doesn't it follow that whatever object they are holding is being pushed by the same power that enables flight, not by muscle power? And the greater the size of the object, the more willpower it takes from said user to do it successfully. Otherwise there wouldn't be a limit to what Superman or someone with a similar power could carry.
The same can be said for Thor, who doesn't fly but borrows the will of his hammer when he throws it and holds on (the hammer 'reads' his will of where he wants to go.) If Thor is dragging something heavy while whirling his hammer in mid air, it is the hammer than it really doing the work.
Originally posted by roughrider
Thor claims to hold back as well, most of the time.Proof? How about simple logic?
If someone uses a power to force themselves through the air, doesn't it follow that whatever object they are holding is being pushed by the same power that enables flight, not by muscle power? And the greater the size of the object, the more willpower it takes from said user to do it successfully. Otherwise there wouldn't be a limit to what Superman or someone with a similar power could carry.
The same can be said for Thor, who doesn't fly but borrows the will of his hammer when he throws it and holds on (the hammer 'reads' his will of where he wants to go.) If Thor is dragging something heavy while whirling his hammer in mid air, it is the hammer than it really doing the work.
Originally posted by carver9
Didn't Superman state a while back that flight aided in him lifting objects? Has anything been used or stated against his statement to make you think otherwise?
facepalm
You've been told, at least HALF A DOZEN TIMES, that was by John Byrne, who used to show Superman's powers as working differently as they do nowadays.
The scan has no bearing on modern or pre-reboot Superman after 1990.
That goes for everyone else too.
Originally posted by roughrider
Yes, it is my contention still that Superman uses a different powerset to move something while flying, rather than when he's on the ground.And I just call to attention how often Superman is matched in h2h strength by characters who have none of the dramatic feats you and others have listed. Either it's comic writers & editors with very flexible logic, or something else is true.
I think I know what you're trying to say.You're saying Planet moving isn't purely a feat of strength.I once brought this up to my friends, and they came to the conclusion that sometimes having multiple powers can contradict the feat/feats.Superman has loads of powers that would allow him to move planets.He does have strength,speed,durability and flight(the most important power in moving planets).
Originally posted by -Pr-
facepalmYou've been told, at least HALF A DOZEN TIMES, that was by John Byrne, who used to show Superman's powers as working differently as they do nowadays.
The scan has no bearing on modern or pre-reboot Superman after 1990.
That goes for everyone else too.
You know, just because historical events have been retconned since Man Of Steel, that doesn't extend to new explanations of Superman's power set. Neither Superman: Birthright or Superman: Secret Origin contains anything that explains his powers in a new way since John Byrne's reboot, do they? There's been no going back to Golden Age explanations about him coming from a heavy gravity planet and so he can fly, etc. They made add powers (soul vision) and subtract others, but until further notice it seems the functioning engine John Byrne designed for Superman is still in effect.
Originally posted by roughrider
You know, just because historical events have been retconned since Man Of Steel, that doesn't extend to new explanations of Superman's power set. Neither Superman: Birthright or Superman: Secret Origin contains anything that explains his powers in a new way since John Byrne's reboot, do they? There's been no going back to Golden Age explanations about him coming from a heavy gravity planet and so he can fly, etc. They made add powers (soul vision) and subtract others, but until further notice it seems the functioning engine John Byrne designed for Superman is still in effect.
Originally posted by abhilegendWasn't he recently unable to breathe in space against Luthor in space ?
Not really, his protective aura that was responsible for his strength has been retconned away. It's all silver age yellow sun and lighter gravity now. Before IC, mongul taught him how to breath. After IC he was shown as superboy breathing in space. Under byrne red sun radiation drives out the solar charge from his cells, after IC it just locks the access to them. Byrne era is just a glitch in time-stream according to IC and untill you can bring a proof that its explanation of superman's powers are still valid, its not a canon explanation by default.
Originally posted by abhilegendNo, suffice it to say you pick and choose what is beneficial to Superman and disregard what you don't like. It's canon. 🙂
^That's the same writer who wrote superman oneshot hank henshaw by removing his control node. Its suffice to say that he doesn't know about the characters he writes. The times when superman has been shown are too much to consider a continuity error a norm.
Originally posted by quanchi112
No, suffice it to say you pick and choose what is beneficial to Superman and disregard what you don't like. It's canon. 🙂