Kubik vs Abraxas

Originally posted by zopzop
Fact is, he beat HALF a Cube Being.

Originally posted by zopzop
This being, Abraxas, had MULTI-Eternity sh|tting bricks and begging for help. The EMBODIMENT of the MULTIVERSE was helpless and begging for help vs Abraxas. That >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ANYTHING Kubik has ever done or will do.

Once more: Eternity being scared of Abraxas isn't an on panel feat. All it does is give us a very ambiguous degree of implied power. Deal with this, and move on.

Originally posted by Galan007
"Fact is" Kubik casually warped an entire universe into a tennis ball-sized sphere. THAT is his best feat, bud.

😂 I could bring up Galactus calling Abraxas "nothing". I could bring up Abraxas doing nothing to destroy Galactus.... But I won't.

Once more: Eternity being scared of Abraxas isn't an on panel feat. All it does is give us a very ambiguous degree of implied power. Deal with this, and move on.

It's been dealt with. The Embodiment of the MULTIVERSE was powerless vs Abraxas. A universal scale reality warper (according to the Rogue Celestials) was powerless against Abraxas. This same universal scale reality warper had the Rogue Celestials in a panic.

ONE unnamed Celestial had TWO FULL CUBE BEINGS (Kosmos and Kubik) in fear of their lives.

Abraxas >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kubik.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Feats don't determine who is more powerful nor have they ever.

Feats are the only thing that determine who is more powerful, until you deal with featless characters (e.g. many abstracts).

IMO, Galan is correct in that Kubik's on panel feats are superior to Abraxas. That said, I think he's grossly overlooking off-panel feats.

Off panel feats are tricky to deal with. They're often hyperbolized, and commonly lack information such as who, what, where, when, how, and why. This certainly makes them less reliable as a whole. That said, we know some of Abraxas' off-panel feats. He was casually destroying universes just by approaching them. Don't really know how, or why, but that's not not hyperbolized. He's kind of like a miniature Anti-Monitor.

IMO, Abraxas wins.

Originally posted by zopzop
It's been dealt with. The Embodiment of the MULTIVERSE was powerless vs Abraxas. A universal scale reality warper (according to the Rogue Celestials) was powerless against Abraxas. This same universal scale reality warper had the Rogue Celestials in a panic.

ONE unnamed Celestial had TWO FULL CUBE BEINGS (Kosmos and Kubik) in fear of their lives.

Abraxas >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kubik.

...But you're right: in a contest of implied power, Abraxas is greater.

Originally posted by Cogito
Feats are the only thing that determine who is more powerful, until you deal with featless characters (e.g. many abstracts).

IMO, Galan is correct in that Kubik's on panel feats are superior to Abraxas. That said, I think he's grossly overlooking off-panel feats.

Off panel feats are tricky to deal with. They're often hyperbolized, and commonly lack information such as who, what, where, when, how, and why. This certainly makes them less reliable as a whole. That said, we know some of Abraxas' off-panel feats. He was casually destroying universes just by approaching them. Don't really know how, or why, but that's not not hyperbolized. He's kind of like a miniature Anti-Monitor.

IMO, Abraxas wins.

Originally posted by Galan007
You're overlooking what I'm saying, bud. Kubik's on panel feats (ie. feats he preformed on panel) are superior to those feats Abraxas preformed on panel.

...But you're right: in a contest of implied power, Abraxas is far greater.

I'm not arguing who would win, so much as I am arguing who has the superior on panel feats... Just to be clear.

👆

Originally posted by Cogito
Feats are the only thing that determine who is more powerful, until you deal with featless characters (e.g. many abstracts).

IMO, Galan is correct in that Kubik's on panel feats are superior to Abraxas. That said, I think he's grossly overlooking off-panel feats.

Off panel feats are tricky to deal with. They're often hyperbolized, and commonly lack information such as who, what, where, when, how, and why. This certainly makes them less reliable as a whole. That said, we know some of Abraxas' off-panel feats. He was casually destroying universes just by approaching them. Don't really know how, or why, but that's not not hyperbolized. He's kind of like a miniature Anti-Monitor.

IMO, Abraxas wins.

Abraxas is far more formidable and powerful than Am who needed tech and the element of surprise to get away with what he did.

Originally posted by zopzop
It's been dealt with. The Embodiment of the MULTIVERSE was powerless vs Abraxas. A universal scale reality warper (according to the Rogue Celestials) was powerless against Abraxas. This same universal scale reality warper had the Rogue Celestials in a panic.

ONE unnamed Celestial had TWO FULL CUBE BEINGS (Kosmos and Kubik) in fear of their lives.

Abraxas >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kubik.

I wouldn't say Eternity was powerless vs Abraxas. Power implys more then one thing, he put things into motion that woud bring about Abraxas's downfall (or at least have a good shot at it). That is why he chose Roma, and he chose wisely I would say! Eternitys fear of him did not stop him from trying to protect himself!

Originally posted by Galan007
You're overlooking what I'm saying, bud. Kubik's on panel feats (ie. feats he preformed on panel) are superior to those feats Abraxas preformed on panel.

...But you're right: in a contest of implied power, Abraxas is greater.

I'm not arguing who would win, so much as I am arguing who has the superior on panel feats... Just to be clear.

Agreed 👆

Originally posted by zopzop
It's been dealt with. The Embodiment of the MULTIVERSE was powerless vs Abraxas. A universal scale reality warper (according to the Rogue Celestials) was powerless against Abraxas. This same universal scale reality warper had the Rogue Celestials in a panic.

Abraxas >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kubik.

It's laughable to me how some intentionally demean Abraxas.

That aside, Kubik has better on panel feats than Abraxas ~~> 😆

Originally posted by kevdude

I wouldn't say Eternity was powerless vs Abraxas.
Power implys more then one thing,
he put things into motion that woud bring about Abraxas's downfall
(or at least have a good shot at it).

That is why he chose Roma, and he chose wisely I would say!
Eternitys fear of him did not stop him from trying to protect himself!

Abraxas was phucking up ALL of Eternity/Infinity from the inside.

Eternity didn't do shit to put anything into motion,
in fact, Eternity only went begging to mr plot device (Reed) for help.

Oh, and who told you Eternity chose Roma?

Merlin chose Roma to be Omniversal guardian,
and Merlin empowered himself with the Energy Matrix and took the mantle of Omniversal guardian cause he wanted to,
no one (including Eternity) chose/nominated him.

Originally posted by Mr Master
That aside, Kubik has better on panel feats than Abraxas ~~> 😆

When I say 'on panel feats', I mean actual feats that occurred before our eyes, within the pages of the comics in question--this obviously does not include off panel feats, or character statements.

Did Kubik place somekind of limitations to its self like Molecule man?

Originally posted by Mr Master
👆

It's laughable to me how some intentionally demean Abraxas.

That aside, Kubik has better on panel feats than Abraxas ~~> 😆

The power of the Multiversal Space-Time continuum was helpless against Abraxas.

Abraxas was phucking up ALL of Eternity/Infinity from the inside.

Eternity didn't do shit to put anything into motion,
in fact, Eternity only went begging to mr plot device (Reed) for help.

Oh, and who told you Eternity chose Roma?

Merlin chose Roma to be Omniversal guardian,
and Merlin empowered himself with the Energy Matrix and took the mantle of Omniversal guardian cause he wanted to,
no one (including Eternity) chose/nominated him.

I agree with you looking more into her story(wiki) that Merlin did chose Roma instead of Eternity chosing her. I was mainly going by what I've read from this story and how Abraxas and her conversation went... 😱

Originally posted by Galan007

Is it funny to you because Abraxas does have better on panel feats than Kubik?

Kubik was able to battle, and ultimately defeat one reality
which was not as powerful as a single Eternity.

While Abraxas was merging many Eternities (all more powerful) and without effort,
well, he did need to approach a Universe to warp its reality. (if you call that effort)
Abraxas had caused Multiversal wide disruption,
and the actual sentience of the Multiversal Space-Time Continuum
showed Reed all the UniverseS Abraxas had merged represented
by the dead Galactuses,
and further,
how "All of Eternity's" balance was now upset because of Abraxas.

If that wasn't enough, this mighty power was helpless.

That aside,
it was clear in the story that nothing short of a power that = the UN was going to stop Abraxas.

That's an indisputable fact.

Kubik, and I know Kubik, has never demonstrated power even close to that scale.

Again, I wasn't looking for character statements, implied power, or off panel feats. Abraxas is definitely superior in those areas. I have only been referring to on panel displays of power.

That said, Abraxas blurred the walls of dimensional space, which allowed creatures of the multiverse to mix--this was confirmed in the pages of the comics in question, AND his bios. That is what we saw him do on panel. Other side of the coin, Kubik gesturely warped an entire universe into a palm-sized sphere that he could have easily crushed in his hands. That is what we saw him do on panel.

The latter, imo, is superior to the former.

Originally posted by Galan007
Again, I wasn't looking for character statements, implied power, or off panel feats. Abraxas is definitely superior in those areas. I have only been referring to on panel displays of power.

That said, Abraxas blurred the walls of dimensional space, which allowed creatures of the multiverse to mix--this was confirmed in the pages of the comics in question, AND his bios. That is what we saw him do on panel. Other side of the coin, Kubik gesturely warped an entire universe into a palm-sized sphere that he could have easily crushed in his hands. That is what we saw him do on panel.

The latter, imo, is superior to the former.

You're invisible to me now, quanchi (thank god), but I can only assume your post was directed toward me in the same trollish fashion it normally is.

If that is the case (if it's not, I apologize), please understand that you are wasting your time. I won't respond to you, because your posts no longer appear on my screen... So you may as well save your typing strength to troll others. Your sad trickery is ineffectual against me now.
evillaugh

Originally posted by Galan007
You're invisible to me now, quanchi (thank god), but I can only assume your post was directed toward me in the same trollish fashion it normally is.

If that is the case (if it's not, I apologize), please understand that you are wasting your time. I won't respond to you, because your posts no longer appear on my screen... So you may as well save your typing strength to troll others. Your sad trickery is ineffectual against me now.
evillaugh

Originally posted by Galan007

Again, I wasn't looking for character statements, implied power,
or off panel feats. Abraxas is definitely superior in those areas. I
have only been referring to on panel displays of power.

Originally posted by Galan007

That said, Abraxas blurred the walls of dimensional space,
which allowed creatures of the multiverse to mix--

this was confirmed in the pages of the comics in question, AND his bios.

That is what we saw him do on panel.

The story that I read, and saw, displayed this on panel:

"Our Earth (universe) seems to be merging with other Alternates." (universes)

***

Someone is warping entire UniverseS by merging them together!

***

====== We see this in his Handbook ======

"Abaraxs ... power enabling him to traverse and manipulate Dimensions at will,
restructure matter ... "

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Warping entire Universes (each an Eternity) across the Multiverse >>> Warping a single Universe not equating even to a single Eternity.

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How do you think those creatures from other Universes were mixing,
you think they walked across Universes because there was no barrier stopping them? 😂

That comedy aside, and facts at hand
they were popping out of nowhere,
because their phucking entire Universes were blending together.

Originally posted by Mr Master
So who was warping Universes across the Multiverse in the Abraxas arc, if not Abraxas?

We must be looking at different stories then.

The story that I read, and saw, displayed this [b]on panel:

"Our Earth (universe) seems to be merging with other Alternates." (universes)

***

Someone is warping entire UniverseS by merging them together!

***

====== We see this in his Handbook ======

"Abaraxs ... power enabling him to traverse and manipulate Dimensions at will,
restructure matter ... "

----------------------------------------

Warping entire Universes (each an Eternity) across the Multiverse >>> Warping a single Universe not equating even to a single Eternity.

---------------------------------------

How do you think those creatures from other Universes were mixing,
you think they walked across Universes because there was no barrier stopping them? 😂

That comedy aside, and facts at hand
they were popping out of nowhere,
because their phucking entire Universes were blending together. [/B]

Originally posted by Mr Master
"Our Earth (universe) seems to be merging with other Alternates." (universes)

Originally posted by Mr Master
How do you think those creatures from other Universes were mixing,
you think they walked across Universes because there was no barrier stopping them? 😂

🙂

Originally posted by Galan007

Reed explicitly said "our earth." How in the world you are equating
"our earth" to "our universe" is entirely beyond me..? Seems like you
are digging deep to try and make that feat seem better than it is.

Wait so now you're bringing Abraxas down to a planetary warper?

Or wait, a planetary warper on a Multi-Universal or Multiversal scale?

Oh I see, you think Abraxas only merged planets from different Universes.

I completely disagree but as you wish.

I suppose this is why the "the Multiverse ...
... is shifting as constantly as the ocean crashes on a sand of castle?"

Abraxas was only merging planets huh. 😂

So Reed meant planets huh?

This is why Reed said bending Reality means nothing to him,
this is why his Handbook bio states he can manipulate UniverseS at will,
this is why the Multiversal Space-Time Continuum was afraid, helpless and went seeking help,
because of the mean "planetary warper" walking around.

Give me a phucking break, this shits gone too far.

Originally posted by Galan007

Um, I understand you're trying to be humorous, but you seem to
have overlooked my last post. I specifically said: "[b]Abraxas
blurred the walls of dimensional space, which allowed creatures of the multiverse to mix." So yeah, I know full-well that Abraxas was
responsible for the above... But it's certainly not as 'uber' as you're
making it out to be. [/B]