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Yeah, now that I think about it, SR didn't have many faults. The only real annoyance in the writing was how quickly the Sand Siblings got the news of the situation and made it in time for a big damn heroes moment. And how Rock Lee even knew where to go. Minor details.
Edit: And change your post NemeBro. You agree with Tzeentch._, not this Blax guy or whoever you're talking about.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Even if he meant Hueco Mundo, I'd still take it over Skypeia. Incredibly long? Sure but there are some decent character moments.
The invasion arc, Hueco Mundo, and the Fake Town invasion- they're all one arc. The venue changed but they're about fighting the same foes.
Originally posted by Q99
The invasion arc, Hueco Mundo, and the Fake Town invasion- they're all one arc. The venue changed but they're about fighting the same foes.
...That means they're part of the same saga, not the same arc...I think? Are you asking me to compare a giant saga to Enel's arc? 😐
I mean yeah the distinctions are unclear but I would think the words Arrancar arc implied the arc where Arrancar is in the title(on Bleach wiki anyway), not the whole war. That's half of Bleach! I'm not gonna compare that to Skypiea! haermm
Originally posted by Gecko4lif
Rukia is a shit character. She isn't even a real character she is a plot conveince
Sure she is.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Lolno.Enel wins for being awesome. Arrancar loses for being shitty filler with B-list filler characters.
Explain to me how Skypiea is somehow less filler than what amounts to the fairly okay executed beginning of overall a poorly handled war.
And ah yes, B-list. Not like One Piece's A-list from the Skypiea arc. Like Wiper, who would go on to become legendary in the One Piece world, Conis, who has grown to be a beauty comparable to Boa herself, and last but not least, Pagaya, who is so manly that he flipped the bird to Enel himself and kept on living.
Clearly the Bleach cast needs to take some pointers from the real pros.
Somehow I posted this in the wrong thread before:
Originally posted by Astner
Sasuke retrieval arc compared to the Soul Society arc? Are you out of your mind?!How does Sasuke's tantrum compare to the emotional struggle of Byakuya who was forced to choose between the promise he made to his deceased wife to protect Rukia, and the promise he made at his father's grave to always uphold justice? And Byakuya took that like a man, not once -- before Aizen's scheme was revealed -- did he as much as blink in hesitation. And that's not accounting for that each captain had their own agenda, some of which didn't even concern the invasion.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Explain to me how Skypiea is somehow less filler than what amounts to the fairly okay executed beginning of overall a poorly handled war.And ah yes, B-list. Not like One Piece's A-list from the Skypiea arc. Like Wiper, who would go on to become legendary in the One Piece world, Conis, who has grown to be a beauty comparable to Boa herself, and last but not least, Pagaya, who is so manly that he flipped the bird to Enel himself and kept on living.
Clearly the Bleach cast needs to take some pointers from the real pros.
You don't really understand One Piece do you? Most of OP is made up of fun adventures that you could write off as 'filler'. The difference is that this is completely in-tune with the wacky tone of One Piece.
And the Arrancar intro was shit. Pointless fights that only go on for however long the Shinigami are comfortable with holding back. Boring boring shit. At least Skypeia actually had a ****ing plot to it and real stakes. There was an entire island in danger. The Arrancar arc was just pointless fighting.
Originally posted by Astner
Somehow I posted this in the wrong thread before:
Take that up with Blax. Or Tzeentch._. He was the one who thought Byakuya had a weak motivation. 😛
Originally posted by Nephthys
You don't really understand One Piece do you? Most of OP is made up of fun adventures that you could write off as 'filler'. The difference is that this is completely in-tune with the wacky tone of One Piece.And the Arrancar intro was shit. Pointless fights that only go on for however long the Shinigami are comfortable with holding back. Boring boring shit. At least Skypeia actually had a ****ing plot to it and real stakes. There was an entire island in danger. The Arrancar arc was just pointless fighting.
"You don't get it" is not a very good argument. It's not even correct here. One Piece is about an adventure but each of the major arcs(and even some of the minor arcs) have a very strong connectivity to them. Skypeia is One Piece's longest arc(at time of writing) and it has the least amount of relevance as all of them. Robin read one of her Poneglyphs, the Straw Hats got tons of cash, and Merry was damaged. That is all I can think of that came from this arc.
Saying the fights were all pointless makes it sound bad. Never mind the fact that each engagement between the Arrancar and the Shinigami served both a narrative purpose and an in story purpose. The first invasion was simply recon(logical? Yep) and it's greater purpose was to introduce the characters of Yammy and Ulquiorra, establish them as a threat(Yammy killed people, crushed Chad's arm and Orihime's fairy guy, and ultimately still managed to injure Yoruichi without landing a blow), and furthering the development of three of the main characters. The second engagement was an actual attack(not by Aizen, but by Grimmjow which helps establish his character) and is the closest to being called pointless. It's greater purpose develops the characters of Ichigo, Chad, Ikkaku, and Orihime, along with Grimmjow, Tosen, and Aizen. The third's purpose was a tactical distraction to both the heroes and Soul Society(again, it makes sense because it's a tactic) while Orihime is abducted. The narrative helps establish Ichigo's new powers, Orihime's character develops more, and ultimately gives us the lead in to the next arc.
Which is not to say Skypiea's fight didn't have a purpose. They did. Enel wanted people to join him and he had a gigantic battle royal to see who would be left standing. Of the main cast, only Chopper develops iirc(Robin and Zoro get character points established but I can't remember much else) Usopp sees a fairy(plot point, not really development), and the most development comes in insignificant minor characters like Gan Fall and Wiper. And hell, during the flashback, Calagura(sp?) got more development than anyone else in the arc and he's been dead!
In any event, I hope you can at least see where I'm coming from when I say Skypiea ultimately felt irrelevant to me. Not asking anyone to agree, just speaking my peace. Gotta go.
Sure Skypea might've been filler but it was good filler. Plus I think it's been said before but Enel>Arrancars...and FKT Aizen.
Hueco Mundo had decent build-up but ultimately felt short and the constant holding back from the captains pissed me off. Then there was all the hype behind the arrancar being as strong as captains being completely crushed on top fo Ichigo's bankai being rectoned to a pseudo shikai that was only significantly powerful when he wore his mask.
So I'd say the introduction to the Arrancar's was actually pretty cool but Skypea destroyed it once Enel was introduced IMO
Just read HSDK.....he what's Caska doing in this series. On top of being in perfect condition and having super boobs:
http://www.mangareader.net/historys-strongest-disciple-kenichi/482/6
Originally posted by Q99
The invasion arc, Hueco Mundo, and the Fake Town invasion- they're all one arc. The venue changed but they're about fighting the same foes.
I'd separate Invasion of Karakura & Hueco Mundo from the Fake Karakura arc. Invasion of Karakura introduced us to the primary antagonists, and climaxed when Orihime was abducted. It set up the next arc, as well as the coming war.
HM ended when FK was already underway, but HM dealt with the rescue of Orihime from Aizen/Arrancars, while FK was simply about the SS fighting against the Arrancars & Aizen.
They're all a part of the Arrancar saga.
Then we got Deicide.
The Fullbring Arc was pretty damn good though, now that I look back at it.
Only problem I think had with it was how easily SS & Ichigo beat the antagonists.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
"You don't get it" is not a very good argument. It's not even correct here. One Piece is about an adventure but each of the major arcs(and even some of the minor arcs) have a very strong connectivity to them. Skypeia is One Piece's longest arc(at time of writing) and it has the least amount of relevance as all of them. Robin read one of her Poneglyphs, the Straw Hats got tons of cash, and Merry was damaged. That is all I can think of that came from this arc.
One Piece is all about wacky time-wasting nonsense. The overarching plot is to find One Piece, yet rarely do they actually focus on that. They go forward, find something that distracts them, have an adventure about it and then leave. Your favourite arc, Alabasta, was them helping out ViVi, who then dropped from the plot completely.
I disagree with you completely, the arcs have barely any connectivity to them at all. East Blue was them going to place to place picking up crew members. Then they met ViVi and threw in with her completely randomly because they just happened to be eaten by the same whale. After sorting her shit out (after a ton of side missions), they learn about Noland the Liar and go to Skypiea just because Luffy thinks it would be cool. Then they need to get a new ship and get into a fricking war before they get it. Then they randomly run into Moria and fight him. Then we get into the only plot that goes over multiple arcs, Sabaody Archipelago Arc, Amazon Lily, Impel Down and Whitebeard arcs. Then Fishman island then the current one.
There is barely any connectivity between those at all except with the characters own personal shit, like Robin finding Poneglyphs and the background sub-plots of the World Government, other pirates etc. One Piece is mainly just dicking around having adventures.
We also met Blackbeard in Skypeia. Main Villain ftw!
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Saying the fights were all pointless makes it sound bad. Never mind the fact that each engagement between the Arrancar and the Shinigami served both a narrative purpose and an in story purpose. The first invasion was simply recon(logical? Yep) and it's greater purpose was to introduce the characters of Yammy and Ulquiorra, establish them as a threat(Yammy killed people, crushed Chad's arm and Orihime's fairy guy, and ultimately still managed to injure Yoruichi without landing a blow), and furthering the development of three of the main characters.
I agree. If it was me, that would be the only invasion period. Ulq could have kidnapped Orihime perfectly fine then. We didn't need it to stretch over an entire ****ing year of chapters worth of what was just build up to the main action.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
The second engagement was an actual attack(not by Aizen, but by Grimmjow which helps establish his character) and is the closest to being called pointless.
Agreed. Grimmjow was a completely superfluous character.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
It's greater purpose develops the characters of Ichigo, Chad, Ikkaku, and Orihime, along with Grimmjow, Tosen, and Aizen.
Lol. Sure.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
The third's purpose was a tactical distraction to both the heroes and Soul Society(again, it makes sense because it's a tactic) while Orihime is abducted. The narrative helps establish Ichigo's new powers, Orihime's character develops more, and ultimately gives us the lead in to the next arc.
Again, completely pointless. We didn't need another fight here, Orihime developed backwards by throwing away all her training that she's just done and surrendering immediately and Ichigo could have established his new powers in Hueco Mundo easily.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Which is not to say Skypiea's fight didn't have a purpose. They did. Enel wanted people to join him and he had a gigantic battle royal to see who would be left standing. Of the main cast, only Chopper develops iirc(Robin and Zoro get character points established but I can't remember much else) Usopp sees a fairy(plot point, not really development), and the most development comes in insignificant minor characters like Gan Fall and Wiper. And hell, during the flashback, Calagura(sp?) got more development than anyone else in the arc and he's been dead!In any event, I hope you can at least see where I'm coming from when I say Skypiea ultimately felt irrelevant to me. Not asking anyone to agree, just speaking my peace. Gotta go.
Again, this is fine because One Pieces arcs are mostly self-contained anyway. Skypeia was a great arc because of how it was told. I found the story of Noland the Liar to be very interesting and I appreciated the world building immensely. Enel was a great villain and imo the fighting never dragged on or became pointless.
If irrelevancy turns you off then you shouldn't be reading One Piece. Not every arc can redeem that aspect by giving Luffy a new crew member at the end to make it seem relevant. The arc justifies itself imo simply by being enjoyable. The Arrancar Arc was not enjoyable. Ichigo becomes very whiney and angry, Orihime goes all over the place, Chad is in it, theres a bunch of long meandering fights that have no purpose with characters I don't care about in them (namely Renji, Hitsugaya, Rangiku and Ikkaku. I don't care about any of them personally) and ultimately it just drags on for too long spinning its wheels.
