Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
The Fullbring Arc was pretty damn good though, now that I look back at it.Only problem I think had with it was how easily SS & Ichigo beat the antagonists.
Eh, I agree cause I like the Fullbring arc as well but I do see more problems with it. The pacing at the start was awfully slow, Chad, Orihime, and Ishida don't get to do much, and the majority of the fights were uninteresting stomps. The Kuchiki siblings had the best fights.
But I do like it.
Another comparison: Fullbring arc vs Rescue the Kazekage arc. One Piece readers can include Fishmen Island if they want.
The main problem I had with the Fullbring arc is the lack of explanation on why the villains launched their whole plan.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Eh, I agree cause I like the Fullbring arc as well but I do see more problems with it. The pacing at the start was awfully slow, Chad, Orihime, and Ishida don't get to do much, and the majority of the fights were uninteresting stomps. The Kuchiki siblings had the best fights.But I do like it.
Another comparison: Fullbring arc vs Rescue the Kazekage arc. One Piece readers can include Fishmen Island if they want.
Rescue the Kazekage arc walks all over them.
...That means they're part of the same saga, not the same arc...I think? Are you asking me to compare a giant saga to Enel's arc?I mean yeah the distinctions are unclear but I would think the words Arrancar arc implied the arc where Arrancar is in the title(on Bleach wiki anyway), not the whole war. That's half of Bleach! I'm not gonna compare that to Skypiea!
There's about the same amount of plot.
It's just really spread out and with a lot of fights.
If you count them as 'arcs,' well, not a single one of them has a complete plot arc. They're parts of a single story.
Originally posted by Q99
Rescue the Kazekage arc walks all over them.There's about the same amount of plot.
It's just really spread out and with a lot of fights.
If you count them as 'arcs,' well, not a single one of them has a complete plot arc. They're parts of a single story.
Lol why? 😛
Except one has a zillion more characters and battles. It's effectively a war, compared to Enel's small brawl of like...80 people or something. The closest comparison in One Piece would be Marineford, which is better obviously.
Arcs are the parts of the Saga. I dunno, that's how I see it. O:
The only good thing about the Fullbring arc was when Tsukishima was mind-****ing Ichigo and there was real tension and vulnerability. Apart from that is wasn't good at all.
Gaara Retrieval had Chiyo. Hence it wins.
Agreed with Aura. Arc are pretty much equivalent to books in a series imo. They're self-contained, but they all follow an overarching plot. Except for manga like OP.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Lol why? 😛
Rescue Kazekage fight, you got some really cool moments and fights (Deidara beating Gaara with cleverness, the Sasori fight, taking out the fake Kakuzu and Itachi) and the dramatic ending with Chiyo, and no pacing problems.
Except one has a zillion more characters and battles. It's effectively a war, compared to Enel's small brawl of like...80 people or something. The closest comparison in One Piece would be Marineford, which is better obviously.
I will point out that in the Arrancar arc (from the first invasion til the end of Deicide), there was something around 20 foes.
And they were all spread out and used in duels rather than battles, with the *one* exception of when the Gillians showed up, and that didn't last long. For all the talk of an arrancar army, we never got a single battle of groups of arrancar or more than a few grunts.
The enemy literally had a strategy of 'spread my people out so the heroes can take them down piece by piece,' which does sap the drama.
Honestly Skypeia felt more like a war even though it wasn't one! Two sides actually massed for battle there and fought it out as groups rather than politely pairing off and waiting for turns.
(I do have a minor problem with Marineford of 'too much page time of people just running around punching no-names,' but it was still a proper chaotic battle and people entered and left fights and so on!)
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Eh, I agree cause I like the Fullbring arc as well but I do see more problems with it. The pacing at the start was awfully slow, Chad, Orihime, and Ishida don't get to do much, and the majority of the fights were uninteresting stomps. The Kuchiki siblings had the best fights.But I do like it.
Another comparison: Fullbring arc vs Rescue the Kazekage arc. One Piece readers can include Fishmen Island if they want.
Knew I was forgetting stuff. Agreed.
I suppose I can't help but like it a lot since it came right after a shitfest. Tsukishima & Ginjo easily accomplished something Aizen needed Gin to do, which he didn't do as well as those two.
Rescue the Kazekage.
Good moments, including ones that build on the conclusion to one of the best fights in Part 1, Akatsuki's reveal, Chiyo, Deidara, Gaara being legitimately awesome as opposed to a Sue, Itachi, Kakashi using MS, Kisame, Naruto himself, Sasori, Team Gai, Deidara vs. Gaara, Chiyo & Sakura vs. Sasori, a hilarious exercise, and Tobi's Intro!
Originally posted by Q99
I will point out that in the Arrancar arc (from the first invasion til the end of Deicide), there was something around 20 foes.And they were all spread out and used in duels rather than battles, with the *one* exception of when the Gillians showed up, and that didn't last long. For all the talk of an arrancar army, we never got a single battle of groups of arrancar or more than a few grunts.
The enemy literally had a strategy of 'spread my people out so the heroes can take them down piece by piece,' which does sap the drama.
(I do have a minor problem with Marineford of 'too much page time of people just running around punching no-names,' but it was still a proper chaotic battle and people entered and left fights and so on!)
Well the foes aren't the only parts of the story lol. There were only...5 or 6 foes in Skypiea, the 7 Straw Hats(or 5 really since two were out of it the majority of the time), Gan Fell, Wiper and a couple of his friends. Bleach had a bigger cast no matter how you slice it lol.
Eh, duels are fine. Should there have been group on group battles? Sure but I'm not saying the war was perfect. I don't really think it was good. But if I had to look at it's parts, I still like 2/3 of it more than Skypiea. Half, if Deicide is counted as a seperate arc(it's sometimes not). Fake Karakura Town was when Bleach started getting bad and it is worse than Skypiea lol.
Indeed, that was a thing that bugged me about Marineford. It was very all over the place. It helps build the atmosphere but it does shaft the audience. Seeing Crocodile and Doflamingo fight or seeing Mihawk dueling Vista would have been awesome. But we only saw glimpses at best.
So I prefer Naruto's war, which goes for a better mix of both styles.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Knew I was forgetting stuff. Agreed.
I suppose I can't help but like it a lot since it came right after a shitfest. Tsukishima & Ginjo easily accomplished something Aizen needed Gin to do, which he didn't do as well as those two.Rescue the Kazekage.
Tsukihisma and Ginjo were stunningly effective villains. They got more of a reaction from Ichigo than anyone. I mean, Gin was usually just trolling the main cast but these guys were flat out sadistically playing with Ichigo. So cool.
I agree.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Knew I was forgetting stuff. Agreed.
I suppose I can't help but like it a lot since it came right after a shitfest. Tsukishima & Ginjo easily accomplished something Aizen needed Gin to do, which he didn't do as well as those two.Rescue the Kazekage.
Good moments, including ones that build on the conclusion to one of the best fights in Part 1, Akatsuki's reveal, Chiyo, Deidara, Gaara being legitimately awesome as opposed to a Sue, Itachi, Kakashi using MS, Kisame, Naruto himself, Sasori, Team Gai, Deidara vs. Gaara, Chiyo & Sakura vs. Sasori, a hilarious exercise, and Tobi's Intro!