Originally posted by Kid KurdyNah he's not better unless you ignore what bother characters are capable of
That's true.He's better.
Batman is the better detective, but that's about it. Spider-Man is at least as smart and experienced as Batman.
I even think that Parker is a smarter scientist than Batman.
Here's another thought to bring to the table.
Peter doesn't have the deep levels of sometimes written emotional and mental disturbances that Bruce has. He'd see and approach things from a completely different angle and would be far more likely to work with allies (and work nicely).
I think that Petey can approach taking stewardship over Gotham without the massive chip on his shoulder or deep sense of personal level responsibility that Bruce has might just work in his favor.
Originally posted by Mr.MxyzptlkI sort of got at this earlier, but you spelled it out much more effectively. I think for all of Joker's intelligence, it's incredibly unique and sort of in its element when played against Batman's own damaged psyche. Joker doesn't possess a classically defined set of super smarts, and isn't used to playing ball with someone as down to earth, pragmatic and spirited as Peter (who is, as mentioned, a genius in his own right).
Here's another thought to bring to the table.Peter doesn't have the deep levels of sometimes written emotional and mental disturbances that Bruce has. He'd see and approach things from a completely different angle and would be far more likely to work with allies (and work nicely).
I think that Petey can approach taking stewardship over Gotham without the massive chip on his shoulder or deep sense of personal level responsibility that Bruce has might just work in his favor.
Originally posted by Starscream M
joker's intellect seems to be more than you give credit forhasn't he held his own against lex...ie when they're on teams, joker does not seem any lower than lex on the totem pole, and often seems to be higher
I think that tends to be because of Joker's insanity and nature of being the epitome of the term "X Factor". He's charismatic and will come out of left field. He's no dumb cookie but he's not the smartest man on Earth either.
Lex is an out-of-touch super scientist, and if Joker had a power it would be to remain unpredictable in the face of the greatest scientists, psychologists, etc.
Wolverine would still track him down like a dog, and I wouldn't rank the average Joker above Norman Osborn in terms of intelligence, while remaining far less impressive physically, etc.
So yeah, I wouldn't bet on Joker putting down Peter or Logan without or with prep on average.
Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlkwell yeah thats nature of comics...villains have to lose in the end.
What I will say to Joker's credit is that he does have an unhealthy (for heroes) tendency to easily gain Omnipotence. Mind you, status quo always has him losing it and the damage being somewhat reverted, but it's never pretty.He's like Street level Thanos in that regard.
and I don't think parker fares well against a 'street level thanos'
Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
Because he's become essentially Omnipotent with such a frequency and the only other character to do that as well is Thanos?
Still, Thanos build for fun giant ass spaceships ables to destroy planets or even suns. His technologies prowess are amongs the best showed on panels.
Also, Thanos outsmart omnipotent beings and gods. Joker outsmart Batman. For a time.
You can't compare them.
Originally posted by Parmaniac
How many times was he? I only kow if the Mr. Mxy incident.
Counting all the time across the reboots and junk that he remembers because of his 4th wall breaking Super Insanity?
He's been close to Omnipotent 4 times.
There was the time he got all that power from the Shaper of Worlds in that Batman/Hulk crossover.
There was the time he temporarily usurped The Spectre.
There was the Emperor Joker incident.
And then there was the time in Trinity.
Originally posted by Starscream M
because I think joker is smarter than all of thosejoker's intelligence is masked by his insanity...but I truly believe he's one of the smartest characters in comics
Romulus was capable of staying hidden from the entire marvel universe while manipulating the **** out of heros and villains alike. This idea that joker is superior in intellect to Romulus is wishful thinking at it best.
Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
Because he's become essentially Omnipotent with such a frequency and the only other character to do that as well is Thanos?
Originally posted by Mr.MxyzptlkDoom.
Yes. You can.Thanos is the only other character in comics to become Omnipotent with the frequency Joker does.
That makes them comparable.
Originally posted by Starscream M
he would have a very difficult time getting joker in a one on one situation without the joker having the upper hand
Originally posted by Dum Dum DuganParks an asphalt roller on top of him.
No it really wouldent at all. Wolverine would have no trouble tracking joker down period. Joker having the upper hand how? I asked several times for you to elaborate how joker accomplishes this task of beating Wolverine. But instead you constantly run away.