Originally posted by Starscream M
wolverine hasn't even demonstrated the ability to keep himself in check...how can he compete against bruce on willpower?logan is an animal
Darkseid specifically trying to break Batman's will in FC (or just before it, depending on your timeline) and failing is probably the most massive feat I can think of for either. The fact that he conquered 99.999% of reality, and had mind-enslaved pretty much everyone in the DCU, but couldn't turn Bruce, was epic.
His respective GL feats are also cool.
Clearly any popular character has many good willpower feats. A lot of this thread will be what a person is familiar with. It would be hard to be versed enough on both characters to know for sure.
I believe that Wolverine will power is being over looked. Here are just some of his many feats of will on display. He has some of the very best will power out there in comics. Think people who think Batman wins this hands down is kidding them selves.
DeathBird Stating that Wolverine flesh has all but given out and is being sustained solely by his indomitable will. This was his physical state for years after his Crucifixion in Uncanny X-men 244. Which is incredible feat of Will.
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Wolverine will power being displayed when he no sell Mesmero being backed by Jean grey
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Phoenix failing to break Wolverines will
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Wolverine displays some high will power here. He has his heart ripped right out. He able to will himself to not only stand but then attack his opponent decapitating him. He then blacks out.
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Wolverine is capable of denying the fantasy of everything he ever wanted that the citadel creates for him. He is the only x-men shown to resist these fantasy. He is shown resisting the crystal of ultimate vision and turning down godhood. Good read.
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Originally posted by Digi
Darkseid specifically trying to break Batman's will in FC (or just before it, depending on your timeline) and failing is probably the most massive feat I can think of for either. The fact that he conquered 99.999% of reality, and had mind-enslaved pretty much everyone in the DCU, but couldn't turn Bruce, was epic.His respective GL feats are also cool.
Clearly any popular character has many good willpower feats. A lot of this thread will be what a person is familiar with. It would be hard to be versed enough on both characters to know for sure.
Too true. Bruce has been put through HELL in the past few years. One after another.
Originally posted by Dum Dum DuganLets not forget he also willed himself back from the dead when Magneto ripped his adamantium to save Jean Grey during re entry.
Compared to Wolverine?
Wolverine has also tanked every bad memory, cut, bullet wound, broken bone that he has ever felt in his past when Shiva Psi-Bolted him. Wolverine no sold it but made him even angrier to slash Shiva's armored body.
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Originally posted by NietzscheanThis definitely makes the case for Wolverine over Batman.
Lets not forget he also willed himself back from the dead when Magneto ripped his adamantium to save Jean Grey during re entry.Wolverine has also tanked every bad memory, cut, bullet wound, broken bone that he has ever felt in his past when Shiva Psi-Bolted him. Wolverine no sold it but made him even angrier to slash Shiva's armored body.
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Originally posted by Nietzschean
Lets not forget he also willed himself back from the dead when Magneto ripped his adamantium to save Jean Grey during re entry.Wolverine has also tanked every bad memory, cut, bullet wound, broken bone that he has ever felt in his past when Shiva Psi-Bolted him. Wolverine no sold it but made him even angrier to slash Shiva's armored body.
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Originally posted by NietzscheanI think some of the examples given for wolverine are a little misleading in the sense that a lot of the things he overcomes isn't thru will power but thru hatred, anger and rage. Like the Shiva example he didn't look deep inside himself and find the will to go on. he got angry and fed off that. Kind of like difference between a red and green lantern. Also will power and a having the will to live are different. Logan's will to live is prob equal to batmans, but not even close in other areas of will power.
Lets not forget he also willed himself back from the dead when Magneto ripped his adamantium to save Jean Grey during re entry.Wolverine has also tanked every bad memory, cut, bullet wound, broken bone that he has ever felt in his past when Shiva Psi-Bolted him. Wolverine no sold it but made him even angrier to slash Shiva's armored body.
Originally posted by Raptor22
I think some of the examples given for wolverine are a little misleading in the sense that a lot of the things he overcomes isn't thru will power but thru hatred, anger and rage. Like the Shiva example he didn't look deep inside himself and find the will to go on. he got angry and fed off that. Kind of like difference between a red and green lantern. Also will power and a having the will to live are different. Logan's will to live is prob equal to batmans, but not even close in other areas of will power.
i said something similar in another thread. his animalistic nature often doesn't allow him to quit. when a bear chews off its paw to get out of a trap do we attribute that to will power? maybe--it certainly indicates a will to live, but it does seem somehow different to me. shrug