Originally posted by Dum Dum DuganNot saying you come across more bias. I am saying you are more bias. Fact soem people don't pick up on it, does not change the fact you are very bias. [/B]
i've noticed but like my girl says u just gotta learn to ignore it and not get riled up by it. its just internet why drive yourself mad.
Originally posted by DigiPretty much
Darkseid specifically trying to break Batman's will in FC (or just before it, depending on your timeline) and failing is probably the most massive feat I can think of for either. The fact that he conquered 99.999% of reality, and had mind-enslaved pretty much everyone in the DCU, but couldn't turn Bruce, was epic.
Originally posted by Nietzschean
i've noticed but like my girl says u just gotta learn to ignore it and not get riled up by it. its just internet why drive yourself mad.
No need to kick a dead horse as they say.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Duganwere not arguing gas durability here So I don't see ur point. Logan has healing factor that filters that shit. I was comparing two situations where the characters are effected similarly and comparing how both handled it similarly. Not if gas affects Bruce or Logan more, where did u even get that from. There are comparisons between how the beserker rage effects Logan and how fear gas effects Bruce.
you do understand these arnt comparable right? Beserker rage is on a completely different level. Wolverine has dealt with fear gas before. it did absolutely nothing to him. He was not bothered in the slightest.Comparing berserk to fear gas is 😆
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Funny because you qoted me saying he never delt with scare crow fear gas. When people and rapture said fear gas in general, not scare crow. And Honestly there nothing for me to argue further. Aside from cannon apearance of Wolverine against DC scare crows fear gas the best i can present is Wolverine no selling marvel scarecrows fear gas.Yes i am. you dont go into threads with open minds or to debate them. Your mind was made up well before you enter the thread. Does not matter what I show you. You will believe what u like. I post evidence and I fine with my stance. You can prove me wrong provide evidence other wise I dont care.
Not saying you come across more bias. I am saying you are more bias. Fact soem people don't pick up on it, does not change the fact you are very bias.
Which would be fine.
I go in to every thread with an open mind, i.e. a mind that can be changed if someone makes a compelling enough argument. It's happened before. I'm just really tired of people recycling the same feats over and over again.
You'd have to prove it was a fact in the first place, though.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
really seem like you imply that here,these are the type of statements I am talking about. reeks of bias.
How does that make me biased? Please, explain.
Originally posted by Raptor22
were not arguing gas durability here So I don't see ur point. Logan has healing factor that filters that shit. I was comparing two situations where the characters are effected similarly and comparing how both handled it similarly. Not if gas affects Bruce or Logan more, where did u even get that from. There are comparisons between how the beserker rage effects Logan and how fear gas effects Bruce.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
true. I am done with the thread. unless someone on batman side wanna actually post evidence proving batman superior. I am fine with evidence I presented. They don't wanna acknowledge it. It whatever. I did what i could.No need to kick a dead horse as they say.
The Final Crisis/Omega Sanction instance not doing it for you?
Or do you just want scans?
Originally posted by JakeTheBankno, it isnt doing it for me either. u are giving too much credit b/c it is darkseid. Batman bounced around in time how is that a force of will b/c he didnt give up?
The Final Crisis/Omega Sanction instance not doing it for you?Or do you just want scans?
post the scans of what specifically sticks out for u.
b/c like i said omega beams have nothing on Hell itself in general.
but, u can go ahead and pretend Hell isnt Hell b/c the Omega Sanction is better in your lil mind b/c its Darkseid..
Originally posted by NietzscheanI'm not comparing the 2 directly just the effects they have on each of them. K-nite and fire are completely different but the effects they have on supes/ Martian manhunter are comparable ie their each a weakness to one of them. they're different but effect them the same. I'm not saying it's a definative fact but just how I see it.
what, how can u compare the two in the 1st place?
Originally posted by Nietzschean
no, it isnt doing it for me either. u are giving too much credit b/c it is darkseid. Batman bounced around in time how is that a force of will b/c he didnt give up?post the scans of what specifically sticks out for u.
b/c like i said omega beams have nothing on Hell itself in general.
but, u can go ahead and pretend Hell isnt Hell b/c the Omega Sanction is better in your lil mind b/c its Darkseid..
The hell?
Considering Darkseid was a Multi-Versal threat at the time of Final Crisis and subjugated the vast majority of Earth under his control and couldn't break the will of Batman, I'd say I'm giving both him and Batman the credit they deserve.
Darkseid from FC would shit on that corner of Hell Wolverine was in.
Scans incoming, though.
Originally posted by Raptor22not really comparable b/c fire is psychological trauma as well as physical to a martian.
I'm not comparing the 2 directly just the effects they have on each of them. K-nite and fire are completely different but the effects they have on supes/ Martian manhunter are comparable ie their each a weakness to one of them. they're different but effect them the same. I'm not saying it's a definative fact but just how I see it.
K-nite is only physical for superman.. definitely not the same. maybe if the k-nite drove superman crazy and gave him paralytic fear it would be the same.
Originally posted by Nietzschean
not really comparable b/c fire is psychological trauma as well as physical to a martian.K-nite is only physical for superman.. definitely not the same. maybe if the k-nite drove superman crazy and gave him paralytic fear it would be the same.
Kryptonite also has somewhat of a psychological effect on Superman. It saps his strength and often makes him delirious, to say nothing of the fact that it represents the death of his homeworld.
Originally posted by Nietzscheannow ur the one who's nitpicking. It was just a quick example off the top of my head to make a point. I could come up with a fool proof example to prove my point if u want. Do u really think that there aren't any comparison between the two?
not really comparable b/c fire is psychological trauma as well as physical to a martian.K-nite is only physical for superman.. definitely not the same. maybe if the k-nite drove superman crazy and gave him paralytic fear it would be the same.
Never thought I'd be posting scans in favor of Batman, but I do feel pretty strongly that he wins the willpower contest here. Anyway:
Bruce's sense of will and identity is so potent, he manages to make up a "back-up" personality in case he's ever traumatized or otherwise not consciously able to defend his mind.
In order to fully appreciate his next willpower feat, here's an explanation of the creature known as "The Lump". Essentially, the plan is to make an army of Batmen, all armed with his psychological and physical prowess.
While inside the realm of Bruce's psyche, the Lump unleashes a potent psychic attack, forcing him to relive his greatest defeat in an instant.