Originally posted by dmills
1)It doesn't matter what mind frame the Hulk was in, the results would've been pretty much the same. A beating like that served only one purpose and that was to show what happens when one character is totally outclassed by another.2) I won't lowball Odin, but I will just say that you've used a fairly liberal interpretation of those events.
3) We go by feats, showings and portrayal on this forum. Now I'll grant you that The Sphinx is lacking in the showings department. Let's just be real, he's a jobber. I mean he's even stated on panel that the only reason he doesn't snap his fingers and end shyte is because its no fun to do it that way lol. But if you think for one second that he isn't skyfather level then you'd have to name me someone considered below Skyfather level that has shown the Sphinx's level of time/reality manipulation etc. I mean a chick with half of his power warped 616 Earth reality with very little effort. Come on brah.
In response to point 3.
Many characters have amazing abilities but if it came down to just a H2H they would be beaten by the Hulk. Look at what Quasar did to that rogue Watcher, should we place him up on a higher pedestal than he really is? All things considered, characters far less powerful than the rogue Watcher has put Quasar through the paces.
Aw what the hell. In response to point 1.
I disagree, i believe that the Hulk when he faced Zeus appeared to be begging Zeus instead of going full postal on him. he would have still lost, but he would have certainly done better. later on he even fought Zeus or a version of Zeus in the form of an eagle, and did much better than he did against Zeus in his humanoid form. Even in that scene he wasn't going all out.
Come now think about it, the Hulk was being ruptured by boulders when he fought Zeus, and yet he survived the explosion of several planets? The Hulk stood before Zeus, and pleaded his case, he then hits Zeus, and in turn is turned into hamburger meat. One panel even goes as far as to portray the comical ZOUNDS sound effect. Greater sh1t has never been printed than what we saw there. I'm not trying to make up excuse for the Hulk, but if it was written better, the Hulk would have put up a better fight, and this is going by past feats, which includes HOTM.
Powerset does not give the Sphinx an auto win, when we are talking about H2H. I believe that it would be a good fight, but that WB Hulk would be walking away with the W.
Originally posted by Stoic
In response to point 3.Many characters have amazing abilities but if it came down to just a H2H they would be beaten by the Hulk. Look at what Quasar did to that rogue Watcher, should we place him up on a higher pedestal than he really is? All things considered, characters far less powerful than the rogue Watcher has put Quasar through the paces.
Aw what the hell. In response to point 1.
I disagree, i believe that the Hulk when he faced Zeus appeared to be begging Zeus instead of going full postal on him. he would have still lost, but he would have certainly done better. later on he even fought Zeus or a version of Zeus in the form of an eagle, and did much better than he did against Zeus in his humanoid form. Even in that scene he wasn't going all out.
Come now think about it, the Hulk was being ruptured by boulders when he fought Zeus, and yet he survived the explosion of several planets? The Hulk stood before Zeus, and pleaded his case, he then hits Zeus, and in turn is turned into hamburger meat. One panel even goes as far as to portray the comical ZOUNDS sound effect. Greater sh1t has never been printed than what we saw there. I'm not trying to make up excuse for the Hulk, but if it was written better, the Hulk would have put up a better fight, and this is going by past feats, which includes HOTM.
Powerset does not give the Sphinx an auto win, when we are talking about H2H. I believe that it would be a good fight, but that WB Hulk would be walking away with the W.
Yeah but Quasar giving a Watcher a run is... I won't quite say SMvFL but... Well you know 😂
Most times I'd agree. However there are amazing abilities and then there is warping time/reality to suit your whims lol. It helps him in h2h because he uses that same energy to amp his physical stats if need be.
I ain't mad at you bro. Hell I still go around maintaining that If Nova used his full power he'd whoop the Surfer. That's my story and I'm sticking to it lol!
Originally posted by carver9
Hulk went to Zeus to give his life for repayment of assisting against Chaos King. He was suicidal. Zeus beat the hell out of a calm, selfless Hulk.
Yes and that's not a lie. It's all there in the book. Context is what makes some stories suck, but if it was written that way who are we to make up things? The Hulk was one inch away from offering Zeus his chin to do whatever he wanted with it.
Going by Title isn't the way to go because if that was the case, Onslaught would have wrecked Hulk in h2h. Hulk was punching so hard that it was sending people flying for miles. Had Heralds struggling to advance.
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/5554/onslaught1c7fw.jpg
Had every hero on the battlefield in fear from Hulks power (except Onslaught) and these were some of the most powerful beings on the planet.
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/3563/onslaught1d0lm.jpg
Sphinx gets manhandled in this fight.
Originally posted by Mistress-Death
^more lies and twisting context, no one was sent for milesDon't try to play the title means nothing card, Zeus had hardly any hth feats despite his title yet he wtf pwnd Hulk easily
Zeus has always been a peer to Odin...no changing that. Writers has made it known that Zeus would run through Heralds and by the way, Zeus has fts. He had a minor amp and dropped Galactus with a casual blast.
I would give Zeus the majority against anybody short of Odin and Galactus and like I've told you before, Zeus didn't fight WBH and he was sent there to give his life for his family...doesn't sound like a serious Hulk to me. Using Zeus as some type of bench mark isn't helping your case anyways since Zeus would take Sphinx out in two panels.
Originally posted by Mistress-Death
Galactus didn't 2 panel Sphinx so Zeus aint, stop lying Zeus didn't have a minor amp at all from CK its clear he had a massive amp as Odin couldn't drop him like that.And more Bs as Hulk wasn't calm and suicidal he only said hed give his life when Zeus was stomping him
Sphinx was amped by a super computer when he faced Galactus. You are suppose to know these things when consistently debating against a character. At least know something about the character you are debating for. Zeus would two panel Sphinx.
Lol...I proved this a long time ago by posting a link from the writer himself stating Zeus has a small amp when facing Galactus. Zeus is a beast, deal with it.
Lol...Hulk was suicidal before losing to Zeus. His main reason for being on Olympus was to give his life for his family. Do you even read these comics? Zeus fought a suicidal Hulk...a Hulk that came there to give his life to him.
facepalm to all your post, lol at you now trying to use what a writer said yet dismiss what Marvel head guy Joe Q saying that Hulk always holds was rubbish writing and holds no grounds.
Hulk was only willing to give his life when he was on deaths door due to Zeus teaching him a real lesson about strength
Originally posted by Mistress-Death
facepalm to all your post, lol at you now trying to use what a writer said yet dismiss what Marvel head guy Joe Q saying that Hulk always holds was rubbish writing and holds no grounds.Hulk was only willing to give his life when he was on deaths door due to Zeus teaching him a real lesson about strength
You are not good at this...if the writer of the book states Zeus had a minor amp then I believe it. I didn't believe you anyways about what you stayed they said about Hulk. Show me Joe Q saying this or stop bringing it up.
Hulk went to Olympus to give his life. What's so hard to understand? Why was Hulk in Olympus Mistress?
I've told you go ask Joe Q the question again on twitter or just search his CBR thread as I don't go saving stuff like the like a sad fanboy like you did
Hulk made it clear he was in Olympus because he was pissed at Zeus and wanted to take it too him but failed very very badly
Stop it with this "your not good at this" because you aint got what it takes to take me on in a BZ when you have to really debate and not lie all the time
Anywho, let's refocus gentlemen. My original purpose was to establish a base level of strength for the sphinx. I posted the Thing scans not to say that WWH wasn't capable of the same, quite the contrary. It was to show that the Sphinx at his base level of strength is slightly above top tier by using a character that we all can agree that while not an elite strongman, he at least has a long history of showings versus elite strongmen and an established baseline of strength around here (grimm).
My next argument is that the Sphinx uses the KA stone energy to amplify his base physical stats and that the same energies that he uses to warp time etc are the same energies that he uses to amp himself. I'll introduce a few pieces of evidence...
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In the above scan we see Sphinx telling Grimm that if he required more power to destroy him, the ka stone would give him that as well. A clear indication of amping on an as needed basis...
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In the next set of above scans we see the Sphinx has warped a small portion of Cairo, Egypt. Firestar is using her mutant ability to draw all the energy from Earth's magnetic field and then release it in a concentrated blast at point blank range into the Sphinx. The Sphinx is drawing on power that he used to warp that current section of time. Things slowly begin warping back to normal as he draws upon this energy, presumably to bolster his durability against her attack. Also talks about how he can draw on energy from all of time if he wanted. Either way, we see that he is in fact, tanking the blast.
Next we see the female Sphinx that possessed a portion of the real deal's power. She's fighting every hero and villain on warped 616 Earth...She then warps it back, leaving everyone to go back to their normal lives... They marvel at her strength as she effortlessly punches the Hulk into orbit from her back.
http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/1330286440292.jpg
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In one scan you can even see nearby planets in space being affected, implying that her power extended beyond what see did on Earth.
