It's very evident that the Sphinx is not anywhere close to being a Sky Father when we saw how well a Sky Father does against Galactus. The Sphinx was turned out by Galactus, and Odin, Zeus, or any other Sky Father would do the same to him. Odin is one straw away from being as powerful as Galactus. The Sphinx.... just read Fantastic Four v1 #208-212 and this will become painfully obvious. When I read it, if I were a judge of a boxing match I would have ended it and called it a no contest.
Originally posted by carver9
Hulk went to Zeus to give his life for repayment of assisting against Chaos King. He was suicidal. Zeus beat the hell out of a calm, selfless Hulk.
He went there to make Zeus help him and his family because he felt they deserved a reward.
He taunted Zeus into fighting him h2h, and called Zeus a coward if he decided to simply make him vanish into thin air.
And when he realized he couldn't win, he figures he's going to die anyway, so before that happens he begged for his families' salvation.
Hulk was there all cocky and boastful to start with "Think you scare me?", "Less talking and you might--" etc, and then after taking some shots, he was clearly angry, declaring to Betty and them to get out of there because 'This is MY fight', and then after Zeus has him barfing up his organs he starts getting all teary eyed in front of Hera, begging for help.
Zeus was Bill Duke in that scene, to Hulk's Caine.
Zeus: "you know you done ****ed up right"
Hulk: "no--i thought, wait no"
Zeus: "you KNOW you done ****ed up don't you?"
Originally posted by CosmicComet
He went there to make Zeus help him and his family because he felt they deserved a reward.He taunted Zeus into fighting him h2h, and called Zeus a coward if he decided to simply make him vanish into thin air.
And when he realized he couldn't win, he figures he's going to die anyway, so before that happens he begged for his families' salvation.
Hulk was there all cocky and boastful to start with "Think you scare me?", "Less talking and you might--" etc, and then after taking some shots, he was clearly angry, declaring to Betty and them to get out of there because 'This is MY fight', and then after Zeus has him barfing up his organs he starts getting all teary eyed in front of Hera, begging for help.
Zeus was Bill Duke in that scene, to Hulk's Caine.
Zeus: "you know you done ****ed up right"
Hulk: "no--i thought, wait no"
Zeus: "you KNOW you done ****ed up don't you?"
Lol...good point. Do you think Hulk was operating at his WWH levels?
Originally posted by carver9
Lol...good point. Do you think Hulk was operating at his WWH levels?
And yes, WWH levels, obviously not GammaFather levels.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
He went there to make Zeus help him and his family because he felt they deserved a reward.He taunted Zeus into fighting him h2h, and called Zeus a coward if he decided to simply make him vanish into thin air.
And when he realized he couldn't win, he figures he's going to die anyway, so before that happens he begged for his families' salvation.
Hulk was there all cocky and boastful to start with "Think you scare me?", "Less talking and you might--" etc, and then after taking some shots, he was clearly angry, declaring to Betty and them to get out of there because 'This is MY fight', and then after Zeus has him barfing up his organs he starts getting all teary eyed in front of Hera, begging for help.
Zeus was Bill Duke in that scene, to Hulk's Caine.
Zeus: "you know you done ****ed up right"
Hulk: "no--i thought, wait no"
Zeus: "you KNOW you done ****ed up don't you?"
I think Zeus probably would have helped him if he had come at him in a different way but threading softly is not exactly Hulk's strong point.Then again what happened in "Hulk vs Hercules when titans collide" seemed to have rubbed him the wrong way in regards to Hulk so it probably would not have matter.
Originally posted by SuperiorTech
I think Zeus probably would have helped him if he had come at him in a different way but threading softly is not exactly Hulk's strong point.Then again what happened in "Hulk vs Hercules when titans collide" seemed to have rubbed him the wrong way in regards to Hulk so it probably would not have matter.
Good to see you back.
Then lastly, the fight with Galactus. I specifically want to focus on the physical aspect of the fight so I'm only posting the panels related to that.
Galan hits the sphinx with a cosmic amped pimp hand...
http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/picsay-1330278817.jpg
The Sphinx not wanting to go out like a chump... Nooo! Comes back with a right hook. Then they lock up in a contest of strength for a couple of panels. Notice they're straining which is indicative of a temporary physical deadlock of sorts...
http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/galactussphinx49be-1.jpg
Galactus floors him with a cosmic charged right cross! Down goes sphincter! Down goes sphincter! Actually that wasn't the fight stopper. Sayge, the embodiment of truth shows up and as usual, the Sphinx becomes a scared little child around him and capitulates to his fate.
The point is that while big G is more powerful, won the fight etc etc. For the purpose of this thread we only want/need to see what the Sphinx is capable of in terms of physical strength/power vis-a-vis a confrontation with wbh. Clearly portrayed as above that imo.
Originally posted by dmills
Then lastly, the fight with Galactus. I specifically want to focus on the physical aspect of the fight so I'm only posting the panels related to that.Galan hits the sphinx with a cosmic amped pimp hand...
http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/picsay-1330278817.jpg
The Sphinx not wanting to go out like a chump... Nooo! Comes back with a right hook. Then they lock up in a contest of strength for a couple of panels. Notice they're straining which is indicative of a temporary physical deadlock of sorts...
http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc513/dmills31/galactussphinx49be-1.jpg
Galactus floors him with a cosmic charged right cross! Down goes sphincter! Down goes sphincter! Actually that wasn't the fight stopper. Sayge, the embodiment of truth shows up and as usual, the Sphinx becomes a scared little child around him and capitulates to his fate.
The point is that while big G is more powerful, won the fight etc etc. For the purpose of this thread we only want/need to see what the Sphinx is capable of in terms of physical strength/power vis-a-vis a confrontation with wbh. Clearly portrayed as above that imo.
Bro he did nothing to Galactus, it was really a no contest, and Galactus was merely restraining him the way a parent would restrain their 10 year old son. What Odin , and the Inbetweener did in their battles with Galactus, was a contest. It's clear as day that the Sphinx was far out of his league, and isn't even close to being in the same ballpark as Odin, Zeus, Inbetweener, or Galctus. Just look at the condition of Galactus, and look at the Sphinx.
Dude stop arguing that straw man. Did I say he kicked Galan's ass? No. Now you're interpolating your own hyperbole into the scene with "he was restraining him like a child" when its nowhere even implied in the depiction. It was evident in the scene that a struggle was the intent hence the quivering lines around them both. Again, I'm trying to get a grasp on his strength. You're talking about tiers and cosmetic damage to clothes and shyte.
Now focus with me. Do you get an idication of the sphinx's strength or not?
Originally posted by Stoic
Bro he did nothing to Galactus, it was really a no contest, and Galactus was merely restraining him the way a parent would restrain their 10 year old son. What Odin , and the Inbetweener did in their battles with Galactus, was a contest. It's clear as day that the Sphinx was far out of his league, and isn't even close to being in the same ballpark as Odin, Zeus, Inbetweener, or Galctus. Just look at the condition of Galactus, and look at the Sphinx.
Originally posted by dmills
Dude stop arguing that straw man. Did I say he kicked Galan's ass? No. Now you're interpolating your own hyperbole into the scene with "he was restraining him like a child" when its nowhere even implied in the depiction. It was evident in the scene that a struggle was the intent hence the quivering lines around them both. Again, I'm trying to get a grasp on his strength. You're talking about tiers and cosmetic damage to clothes and shyte.Now focus with me. Do you get an idication of the sphinx's strength or not?
I did not get the idea that Galactus was trying very hard. I retain the stance that Galactus was dealing with him with kids gloves, and even states what he thinks of the Spinx in terms of power. He even smiles at the Sphinx after putting him on his back.
I'm not sure what you are seeing, but what I saw was a no contest. The physical damage has a lot to do with how well the Sphinx held up to Galactus. If he were facing an opponent far less powerful than Galactus, he would not have been in the tattered, and worn state that he was in after Galactus humbled him.
Either way WB Hulk could have easily caused that amount of destruction that put the Sphinx down.
Originally posted by Stoic
I did not get the idea that Galactus was trying very hard. I retain the stance that Galactus was dealing with him with kids gloves, and even states what he thinks of the Spinx in terms of power. He even smiles at the Sphinx after putting him on his back.I'm not sure what you are seeing, but what I saw was a no contest. The physical damage has a lot to do with how well the Sphinx held up to Galactus. If he were facing an opponent far less powerful than Galactus, he would not have been in the tattered, and worn state that he was in after Galactus humbled him.
Either way WB Hulk could have easily caused that amount of destruction that put the Sphinx down.
Amount of destruction? So your argument is essentially that because the planet didn't explode during their fight that wbh is capable of dishing out and by extension, absorbing that same kind of damage? To extrapolate a bit further, you must realize that you're also implying that Zeus was punching the puke outta the Hulk with rudimentary punches. I mean it must be so because the Earth wasn't blown to bits.
Also, wbh is an opponent far less powerful then Galactus. So I'm not sure where you were going with that one.
Originally posted by dmills
Amount of destruction? So your argument is essentially that because the planet didn't explode during their fight that wbh is capable of dishing out and by extension, absorbing that same kind of damage? To extrapolate a bit further, you must realize that you're also implying that Zeus was punching the puke outta the Hulk with rudimentary punches. I mean it must be so because the Earth wasn't blown to bits.Also, wbh is an opponent far less powerful then Galactus. So I'm not sure where you were going with that one.
What I have been trying to say the entire time, is that the Sphinx was measured, and the measuring tape was Galactus. From what I saw of the Sphinx when he faced Galactus as opposed to when Galactus fought Odin, was that the Sphinx was not on Odin's level, or close to it. Odin was able to KO Galactus, while Galactus appeared to me to be playing with the Sphinx. Galan's battle may not have been portrayed as his battle was with the Sphinx, but the results that the writer was attempting to get across was that Odin is not that far below Galactus, as many may have once thought. The Sphinx however was.
I realize that you never attempted to say that the Spinx could beat galactus, and this was never my argument either. I was just trying to show the gap in power between a true Sky Father,and Galactus, as opposed to the gap between Galactus and the Sphinx.
We all know that the Hulk has variable levels of power, and the Hulk that fought Zeus was far below what he displayed during HOTM. This much is obvious. What I am saying, is that if the Sphinx with the same power level, and strength fought the Hulk of HOTM that it would be close, but me judging by power output alone, feel that the Hulk was stronger, and could over power the Sphinx if he had the same amount of strength as a giant, while being in a Hulk sized body.
I disagree completely that the Sphinx was on the level of Tyrant, Odin, or Zeus. The Hulk of HOTM was as well, and so yes I place him firmly in the same strength class that the giant Sphinx was in, when Galactus easily humbled him. I can't explain it any better than how I just did.
The Sphinx was amped during that scene against Galactus and was a couple of 100 ft tall. I wonder how that Sphinx would do against this Hulk.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/8901518/Incredible_Hulks_635_015.jpg.html
Let's not forget...a weaker Hulk than this one brushed off Heralds with his physical might and killed beings that Dormammu and Umar has had trouble with without even touching them. This version of Hulk should be able to do everything Sphinx did during his scuffle against Galactus but do it at a much better rate imo.
Originally posted by Stoic
What I have been trying to say the entire time, is that the Sphinx was measured, and the measuring tape was Galactus. From what I saw of the Sphinx when he faced Galactus as opposed to when Galactus fought Odin, was that the Sphinx was not on Odin's level, or close to it. Odin was able to KO Galactus, while Galactus [b]appeared to me to be playing with the Sphinx. Galan's battle may not have been portrayed as his battle was with the Sphinx, but the results that the writer was attempting to get across was that Odin is not that far below Galactus, as many may have once thought. The Sphinx however was.I realize that you never attempted to say that the Spinx could beat galactus, and this was never my argument either. I was just trying to show the gap in power between a true Sky Father,and Galactus, as opposed to the gap between Galactus and the Sphinx.
We all know that the Hulk has variable levels of power, and the Hulk that fought Zeus was far below what he displayed during HOTM. This much is obvious. What I am saying, is that if the Sphinx with the same power level, and strength fought the Hulk of HOTM that it would be close, but me judging by power output alone, feel that the Hulk was stronger, and could over power the Sphinx if he had the same amount of strength as a giant, while being in a Hulk sized body.
I disagree completely that the Sphinx was on the level of Tyrant, Odin, or Zeus. The Hulk of HOTM was as well, and so yes I place him firmly in the same strength class that the giant Sphinx was in, when Galactus easily humbled him. I can't explain it any better than how I just did. [/B]
But its a false comparison bro. As tempting as it is you can't project a mental non physical battle onto a purely physical one. It's apples and oranges. From a purely physical head on standpoint what evidence do you have to suggest that Zeus or Odin would've done any differently then the Sphinx against Galactus? In fact until the Hulk fight, we really didn't have a clear indication of what Zeus was even truly capable of physically. In fact, until that Hulk fight with Zeus, that was justification enough in some peoples eyes to suggest that the Hulk could take skyfathers in h2h. So using your approach, what justification do you have for placing Zeus so high up on a pedestal? Hell by that standard what -aside from title/office- makes Zeus appear to be on Odin's level? You see how many ways we can play this?
Bottomline is this. Let's cut the bullshit. Even in a losing effort it doesn't take a genius to extrapolate the Sphinx's physical strength from that encounter as it relates to this battle. I've posted scans of an unamped Sphinx. I've posted scans of classic Sphinx and I've posted scans of the Sphinx sans his ka stone. All of which depicted his base levels of strength as top tier or imo, slightly above top tier unless you want to sell me, say an average Thor catching the thing's hand mid blow and proceeding to crush it while monologing. I posted scans on how his power works, how vast that power is with mass reality/time warping etc.
The only thing that you've appeared to have done is desperately attempt to lowball the sphinx's feats because let's be real, if the Sphinx is anywhere near skyfather level then that's pretty much game over in this debate. I'm not going to fall into the trap of lowballing Zeus or Odin to try and make my point about the Sphinx. I don't have to.
Then there are the arguments about tiers and shyte. Again if your story is that the Sphinx is below skyfather level, then I need to see someone considered below that level warping reality on that scale. I mean M-day Wanda sure gets a lot of love in terms of tiers. Who'd she beat? Odin? Galactus? Or does she get a commonsense pass based upon her portrayal and her, gulp, power-set? Generally power-set isn't the end all in these debates, but some things are just so blatantly obvious that it supersedes the conventional. Massive reality/time manip is one such thing imo.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
did you make a sphinx respect thread btw?
Nah. I was thinking of maybe asking ODG or maybe Bentley to help with one though. I figure it'll be maybe 3 pages of actual material since his appearances are so limited ya know?
Classic Sphinx
Post Xandar amp Sphinx
Depowered Sphinx
Merged Sphinx
Current Sphinx
