Man follows black teen who seems "suspicious" and kills him.

Originally posted by Nephthys
They have some good points though:

'He was walking home in the rain and probably glanced idly around himself as anyone would do. No information has come out that I am aware of that he did anything that remotely resembled actually casing a house. We just have Zimmerman's word that he was "suspicious". Why was he assumed to be on drugs? We know that he actually didn't have more than trace amounts of weed in his system from usage likely days before. Zimmerman couldn't even distinguish his features except that he had a hoodie (it was raining) and he was black. He doesn't need to blurt out that Martin is black immediately for it to be involved in his thought process.

Do you see why people assume Zimmerman is racist? Why the hell would you randomly assume someone is up to no good and on drugs when they are just going about their day like a normal person? Half of the arguments about privilege in this thread seem to stem from the fact that people accept garbage reasoning like this automatically.'

Finally:

YouTube video

This is now the only version of the case that matters.

I thought this was covered, earlier: seems the weed was smoked 3 or 4 hours, prior, if Oliver North is correct. He said he followed the case and I honestly don't know. But the idea that it was "days prior" does not seem to be true.

Do you think if a guy matching Trayvon's every detail and wearing the same clothes except he was white instead of black, Zimmerman would have thought him suspicious and gone after him?

Originally posted by dadudemon
I thought this was covered, earlier: seems the weed was smoked 3 or 4 hours, prior, if Oliver North is correct. He said he followed the case and I honestly don't know. But the idea that it was "days prior" does not seem to be true.

Even if thats true, weed doesn't produce effects noticeable that Zimmerman would have been able to pick up on, in the rain with his hood up no less. I also don't believe Zimmerman has elaborated on why he assumed Trayvon was on drugs.

Originally posted by KingD19
Do you think if a guy matching Trayvon's every detail and wearing the same clothes except he was white instead of black, Zimmerman would have thought him suspicious and gone after him?

As a neighborhood watch guy who has watched Batman too many times? Yes.

Originally posted by steveholt956
Yea you're right. Nobody has investigated anything. 😂

How do you go from "a reporter says the facts have no changed" straight to "the DoJ investigation says Zimmerman was not racist" exactly? That's an enormous leap on at least two fronts.

In any event it seems the DoJ did begin an investigation in 2012:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/19/justice/florida-teen-shooting

(It's pretty pathetic that you couldn't find an even slightly usable source to make your point.)

How do you go from "a reporter says the facts have no changed" straight to "the DoJ investigation says Zimmerman was not racist" exactly? That's an enormous leap on at least two fronts.

What's pathetic is you just magically put words into my text.

Where did I say "a reporter says the facts have not changed"? The closest thing I said was "From what I keep reading on the three major news stations, they haven't found anything equating to racism. Go figure.", which is consistent with what's going on. I would expect you to at least attempt to read other people's posts before trying hard to sound intelligent, and failing miserably.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I thought this was covered, earlier: seems the weed was smoked 3 or 4 hours, prior

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Originally posted by dadudemon
I thought this was covered, earlier: seems the weed was smoked 3 or 4 hours, prior, if Oliver North is correct. He said he followed the case and I honestly don't know. But the idea that it was "days prior" does not seem to be true.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
{citation needed}

YouTube video

It's not all related to marijuana specifically, but the motion to enter the toxicology report and the ruling are included here.

toxicology arguments start at 15:40 and ends around 30:45, it is actually a motion from the prosecution to eliminate the evidence from the record. Even the state's own toxicologists said the marijuana was probably used within the past few hours.

Originally posted by KingD19
Do you think if a guy matching Trayvon's every detail and wearing the same clothes except he was white instead of black, Zimmerman would have thought him suspicious and gone after him?

If the break in suspects were described as white males in hoodies then yes. As it stands i still think he would have called 9-1-1 on a whitey

Originally posted by KingD19
Do you think if a guy matching Trayvon's every detail and wearing the same clothes except he was white instead of black, Zimmerman would have thought him suspicious and gone after him?

Nope: Because I think Zimmerman was moderately racist.

to be fair, when asked during the 911 call about Martin, Zimmerman was unsure if he was black at first.

Not that I don't think his race mattered, or that Zimmerman doesn't have a profiling issue.

He may have been, he may not have been. Unfortunately, there's no evidence that paints him a reason, no matter how desperately people want it to exist.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I see no evidence or proof that he was not at least familiar with a great majority of the people in the neighborhood. Denying evidence is not really useful. It just amounts to "nuh uh" with nothing of substance. .

Unfortunately (I say unfortunate because the young man lost his life), it was definitely uncommon at that time and in that neighborhood.

Additionally, that was not the only significant trait that set off Zimmerman. I believe the skittishness of the young man was the thing that really piqued Zimmerman's interest.

Well, yeah, those are pretty good traits that should cause anyone who wasn't an idiot reasons to be suspicious especially if you were on "neighborhood watch patrol" when there were a series of break-ins. Trayvon was not a frequenter of that neighborhood so he was an unfamiliar face.

I like how you say if anyone were to ignore those they instantly become an idiot.

Truth is in my neighborhood seeing a young black man walking around in a hoodie would not be a huge cause for suspicion even if there were a series of break ins.

About the only thing that would set my alarms off if I saw someone matching that description is if they were checking out houses.

afaik, DDM agrees that Zimmerman profiled Martin unreasonably. The problem is the law in Florida does nothing to stop cowboy vigilantes like that.

Originally posted by Newjak
You guys keep telling me it is uncommon in that neighborhood but where are the statistics, where does it say young black men are not common in that area? Where is it shown that hoodies in the rain are so obscure?

I like how you say if anyone were to ignore those they instantly become an idiot.

Truth is in my neighborhood seeing a young black man walking around in a hoodie would not be a huge cause for suspicion even if there were a series of break ins.

About the only thing that would set my alarms off if I saw someone matching that description is if they were checking out houses.

None of the neighbords interviewed were black, iirc. Trayvon's Father's Girlfriend (the place Trayvon was supposedly walking towards) did not have a son Trayvon's age.

Oh, and...in my neighborhood, if any black teen was walking around in a hoodie, it was be highly suspicious...mostly because only white people live around here. 😆

Originally posted by Oliver North
afaik, DDM agrees that Zimmerman profiled Martin unreasonably.

I do think Zimmerman is racist. And it stands to reason that he will be more racist than ever, now, after this court case.

Well you guys are entitled to your opinion. I don't see any evidence for his racism, just his wish to become Batman.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I do think Zimmerman is racist. And it stands to reason that he will be more racist than ever, now, after this court case.

fair enough, I mean, you have mentioned before that Zimmerman should have stayed in his car, I'm more just affirming that.

Originally posted by steveholt957
Well you guys are entitled to your opinion. I don't see any evidence for his racism, just his wish to become Batman.

I accept that your argument is reasonable and logical but I obviously believe my perspective to be more representative of the truth.

Originally posted by Oliver North
fair enough, I mean, you have mentioned before that Zimmerman should have stayed in his car, I'm more just affirming that.

Indeed. As Steve put it, he is a Batman wannabe. That or a wannabe cop. 🙂

I accept that your argument is reasonable and logical but I obviously believe my perspective to be more representative of the truth.

Originally posted by steveholt958
What is your perspective exactly, and what is it based on? And even if you do believe Zimmerman was racist, I'm sure you also believe that the state didn't prove that.

I just noticed you are a sock troll. But, yeah, I've fleshed out, already, why I believe Zimmy Wimmy is racist. I am not the type to repeat myself unless I can easily copy-paste.

Why you sockin', bro?