Originally posted by -Pr-
Carver and ODG agreeing on the same point...Too... Much... Trolling... 🙁
Im not agreeing with One Dumb or the people that's going against him. I'm in a completely different topic. I do agree with One thing though...Doomsday has never done anything on panel that Hulk haven't replicated. No denying this.
Originally posted by carver9
Im not agreeing with One Dumb or the people that's going against him. I'm in a completely different topic. I do agree with One thing though...Doomsday has never done anything on panel that Hulk haven't replicated. No denying this.
Sure he has.
Originally posted by carver9
Doomsday does have super speed, not denying that either, but superman speed...no.
So you're saying that Doomsday (at least in his more powerful incarnations), doesn't have speed that allows him to compete with Superman?
Originally posted by -Pr-
Sure he has.So you're saying that Doomsday (at least in his more powerful incarnations), doesn't have speed that allows him to compete with Superman?
I'm glad we agree. 🙂
Not by showings, no. Superman fight Doomsday just like he fight any other brick imo. Using Doomsday overwhelming Superman is like me using Hulk completely dominating Gladiator before Glads had a chance to do anything. Both are fast for their size, extremely fast and again, I'm not denying that Doomsday doesn't possess Super speed but he isn't Superman fast imo.
Originally posted by JuntaiThat doesn't give Darkseid the ability to speed around and rebuild a city in moments should someone give him a jetpack.
Not talking about superspeed, like running speed, but reflexes. Darkseid has had little problem seeing or reacting to Superman blitzing around, it's well catalogued over history... but Doomsday can crawl out of the ground, run a distance, and clobber him before he can even turn his head around. Such a feat would take... superspeed.You're not actually arguing or debating though, or even making any solid points, you're just ignoring evidence. Page after page and example after example of it.
Please. Your reductionist drivel has already been deconstructed by the simple, basic argument: exactly how fast was Superman fighting when dealng with Doosmday? It's the same honest query posed to Thorbags who show him punking Hermes twiceover, it's the same honest query posed to Gammatards who run off the list of Supermen-analogues he's faced and defeated. It's why people place stock in independent quantifiable speed feats.
The reluctancy to quantify an answer is understandable. How exactly could you know how fast he's fighting? The reticence to believe he isn't fighting at anythign less than peak nanosecond combat superspeeds is rucking fetarded. Nothing less.
Originally posted by leonidasHow many times have the Avengers forgotten how fast Hulk moves? Superman wasn't getting blitzed with repeated punches that were coming from all angles Superman wasn't getting spun dizzy like a top. Superman wasn't whiffing his punches like an amateur. Superman wasn't fighting what appeared to be a blur to him. It was Doomsday's ferocity and sheer naked power that overwhelmed Superman. And the flimsy notion that Superman was overwhelmed and outclassed by Doomsday's speed is stucking fupid. Nothing less.
lolso, show me something comparable.
did you read the scan i posted? dd was said to be lightning fast and combined with his power supes couldn't gather himself to react or fight back. so, yeah, overwhelmed fits that bill perfectly. not to mention he's faced dd numerous times and referenced his speed numerous times. so he what--conveniently FORGETS how fast dd is everytime? or...dd really is fast.
of course. can't be your refusal to acknowledge the feats for what they actually are. lots easier to shove them under the rug of hyperbole than to take the repeated assertions as clear intent by the writer. makes sense. 😐
i've not gone through any trouble at all to cover anything up. lol my stance was made crystal clear in my initial post and the scans are all here in this thread, you simply don't want to accept what has been clearly implied by them and instead choose to lump them into some weird hyperbolic mess. and the thing you continually harp on--the dreaded statements--are all made in relation to a performed FEAT! it's not as though the statements are made in a vaccuum ffs. you just don't like the feats. i'd agree with you were it only brought up the one time. the reiteration across arcs though paints a clear picture. at no point did i say dd is as fast as clark--in fact there is clear evidence to the contrary. not being as fast as supes doesn't mean he doesn't have superspeed, nor does it mean he's relegated to the speed of the hulk. thor at least HAS some superspeed feats, so if you want to lump him in there, fine. lobo likewise. BOTH are a lot faster than hulk imo, if we look at specific feats (for a different thread).
gotta admit, i've had a good laugh at your stance in this thread too.
Your stance is crystal clear: character statements (as long as it's Superman and supported by Booster Gold) >>>>> quantifiable on-panel speed feats. Forgive my disbelief. Particularly when you can't even justify taking Superman's statements literally.
Originally posted by JuntaiYeah, sorry, but quanchi112 is happy reverse projecting the UN's multiversal feats onto the IG and reverse projecting Death's feats onto Thanos. That nobody sees the irony in reverse projecting Superman's feats onto Doomsday based on character statements and no quantifiable on-panel feats is an irony that is, unfortunately for some, too big to see. Weaksauce.
Riled up? I was amused at much you've taken after Carver and Quan after debating with them for so long. Nothing more.
Where the phuck did the common sense go? Let me know when Darkseid speedblitzes Despero or General speedblitzes Manhunter or Grundy speedblitzes Batman. I'm sure everybody will line up in a row and say, "Aha!!! See?! Superman wasn't just talking up his agile superbrick opponent like everybody else does!" Commence: eyerolling.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Your stance is crystal clear: character statements (as long as it's Superman and supported by Booster Gold) >>>>> quantifiable on-panel speed feats. Forgive my disbelief. Particularly when you can't even justify taking Superman's statements literally.
you missed the part about the relationship between feat and statement. again.
as far as justifying supes' statements--as i've said repeatedly, the justification lies in the repeated nature of the statements as well as the use of similar statements by others. were it a one-time off statement, i'd agree with you. it's anything but.
if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, sometimes it actually IS a duck.....
Originally posted by carver9
I'm glad we agree. 🙂Not by showings, no. Superman fight Doomsday just like he fight any other brick imo. Using Doomsday overwhelming Superman is like me using Hulk completely dominating Gladiator before Glads had a chance to do anything. Both are fast for their size, extremely fast and again, I'm not denying that Doomsday doesn't possess Super speed but he isn't Superman fast imo.
Carver, we don't agree. Period. But it's okay, I'm sure you're used to being wrong by now.
Those examples aren't the same. Not nearly.
Originally posted by leonidasThe repeated nature of surprising an opponent with their speed? I get it. They were really surprised.
you missed the part about the relationship between feat and statement. again.as far as justifying supes' statements--as i've said repeatedly, the justification lies in the repeated nature of the statements as well as the use of similar statements by others. were it a one-time off statement, i'd agree with you. it's anything but.
if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, sometimes it actually IS a duck.....
If somebody told me though secondhand sources that it quacked like a duck and somebody went and also referenced a secondhand source that it quacked like a duck faster than the Flash!, I'd tell you to give it up.
Originally posted by carver9
Lets not bring up my name when your fail attempt at proving my scan was wrong was just that, a failed attempt. You claiming that since Superman has flown through space at tremendous speed, that takes away from Superman during that time admitting he can't achieve light speed. I could easily post Vulcan achieving ftl speed via space but failing to catch a sniper bullet (was saved by Gladiator) or whoever else that has done tue same, achieve light speed via space but during a combat situation against Quick Silver, they get blitzed, and blitzed, and blitzed. Your lame argument doeant take away from what Superman clearly said and needed help achieving during my scan.
It amazes me how some here are trying to take away the writer's ability to create a being who is as fast as Superman (battle speed wise). I mean the writer did everything he could to show it. He even used one of the fastest beings in comic history to reference it several times. If you were a writer and wanted to created a being who rivaled Superman in speed then how would you show it? IMO, it would be similarly to what was shown in DOS (hitting all members simultaneously before they can respond, making Superman and others complain about being too fast multiple times, etc.).
And what's with the dumb arguments that people saw Superman and DD both fighting to prove that DD isn't really that fast? Does Superman uses his speed all the time in comics? So why would DD?
Since the people saw Superman fight DD in the streets then I guess Superman doesn't have superspeed on par with himself either. (Sarcasm).
I mean this nonsense has just got to stop. No one here has the power to take away writer's intentions. If you try then you troll. It's as simple as that.
Originally posted by Galan007
You're making shit up entirely. Superman was NOT weakened, whatsoever. He received the amp because he NEEDED to be stronger than ever to have any chance at matching Doomsday's new evolutionary level. This was explicitly stated.If you opt to make up your own story again, I'll report you for trolling.
Wasn't Carver always saying that Superman was amped when he punched lobo into orbit in the arc right before Hunter PRey?
So why the U- Turn all of a sudden? HP Doomsday was clearly fighthing a Superman amped by the energies of the Eradicator and the Motherbox.
Is he trying to lowball HP DD by saying that he was fighting a weak superman? what is he trying to say? Confused.
Originally posted by h1a8I can't believe im saying this but I agree completely with h1. It feels dirty and wrong but he summed it up really well with no weird math or anything.
It amazes me how some here are trying to take away the writer's ability to create a being who is as fast as Superman (battle speed wise). I mean the writer did everything he could to show it. He even used one of the fastest beings in comic history to reference it several times. If you were a writer and wanted to created a being who rivaled Superman in speed then how would you show it? IMO, it would be similarly to what was shown in DOS (hitting all members simultaneously before they can respond, making Superman and others complain about being too fast multiple times, etc.).And what's with the dumb arguments that people saw Superman and DD both fighting to prove that DD isn't really that fast? Does Superman uses his speed all the time in comics? So why would DD?
Since the people saw Superman fight DD in the streets then I guess Superman doesn't have superspeed on par with himself either. (Sarcasm).I mean this nonsense has just got to stop. No one here has the power to take away writer's intentions. If you try then you troll. It's as simple as that.
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
The "50 supernova thing" was not made up. It was told as a flashback by Jonathon. Martha is aware that the Kryptonians are going to invade or whatever and she's worried Clark won't be able to handle it. Jonathon tells her about something he kept from her to keep her from worrying, and we see the incident, to tell her how he's already seen Clark overcome insurmountable odds. I'm unaware of any actual examples of this turning-out to be made-up. Unless you read something I didn't, you're either assuming that it was made-up because it was a flashback, or you're trying to discredit it.Also, in terms of blue sunlight amping Superman's existing powers, I dare you to show me where that's stated. I do not see anywhere where does it say that increases his regular powers, It says He has NEW powers, but nothing saying about increasing the old ones.
You really love to talk out of your a**, don't you? Nothing u say suprises me anymore.
Let me know when you are ready for the scan, also, I proved that it was a made up story...and that scan is confirmation enough. Even if it was made up...(which it was), Superman wasn't even hit by the blast, it clearly states ON PANEL, that he was hit by the shockwaves. I provide scans backing my claim, you provide me with info that you've never read the comic. Let me know when you are ready for me to prove blue sunlight powers Superman abilities.
Originally posted by Diesldude
Wasn't Carver always saying that Superman was amped when he punched lobo into orbit in the arc right before Hunter PRey?So why the U- Turn all of a sudden? HP Doomsday was clearly fighthing a Superman amped by the energies of the Eradicator and the Motherbox.
Is he trying to lowball HP DD by saying that he was fighting a weak superman? what is he trying to say? Confused.
Superman was amped when he punched Lobo out of orbit...what are you talking about? He even Hulks up right afterwards. Stop visiting the respect thread to get fts. Ask Galan if Superman was amped and he will let you know if I was lying or not. I don't make up anything.
Originally posted by carver9
Do you know about any comic character you debate for or against? I never said that blue sunlight does nothing for Superman when on panel, it states the opposite. Read the comic and stop visiting respect threads. Like you mentioning 50 Super Nova, didn't happen...it was a made up story by Superman adopted parent. You would have known this if you read the comic.
Proof that it was all made up.