CISless Surfer vs HP Doomsday

Started by OneDumbG035 pages

Originally posted by Odekahn
Look at the artwork. Superman is flying at super speed in what you just linked (as you've admitted). Yet the drawing itself doesn't show any blur-like qualities. You're simply going by what was said on panel, which is exactly the point I've been trying to make to you.

In fact, the small trail like art that IS shown is exactly the same kind that follows Doomsday when he leaps in the air after the chopper, and the kind that follows his attacks in various scenes.

This is despite my previous post, which showed you quotes from other characters for the purpose of establishing who and what Doomsday is.

Let me know when you're able to make a coherent statement. Sorry if that sounds arbitrarily dismissive. But nothing of what you just posted makes a lick of sense or seems connected to a logical point. Hulk has those "small trail like art" also.

In the meantime, Superman's flying speed while tackling Doomsday through walls =/= Doomsday fighting at superspeeds.

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wait, superman is the one ramming and he's moving doomsday at "blur" speeds in that scan. we all know doomsday isn't flying there

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Let me know when you're able to make a coherent statement. Sorry if that sounds arbitrarily dismissive. But nothing of what you just posted makes a lick of sense or seems connected to a logical point. Hulk has those "small trail like art" also.

In the meantime, Superman's flying speed while tackling Doomsday through walls =/= Doomsday fighting at superspeeds.

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Its clear that if Superman tackled any brick at super speeds, that brick also becomes a blur as a result.So this is Superman's speed causing both him and Doomsday to become a blur to spectators all around them.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Let me know when you're able to make a coherent statement.

In the meantime, Superman's flying speed while tackling Doomsday through walls =/= Doomsday fighting at superspeeds.

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I'm sorry. I would try and put it in a way you could understand but they don't have a crayon font.

How about you address my point instead of regurgitating your previous post?

Here, I've got a few questions for you...

Why did Booster compare Doomsday to Flash?

Why couldn't Guy Gardner see Doomsday's attack if he wasn't attacking at super speed?

Why was Doomsday able to surprise Maxima with his speed TWICE in a row?

Why did Superman have to pick up his speed just to match Doomsday?

There's so many instances of his speed being referenced and you're being intentionally blind to it.

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Originally posted by psycho gundam
wait, superman is the one ramming and he's moving doomsday at "blur" speeds in that scan. we all know doomsday isn't flying there
Y'know the Doppler Effect? Which is basically the change in frequency of a wave for an observer moving relative to the source of the wave.

This sh1t's what's called the Superman Effect. Which is basically the overhyping of a non-feat for a fanboy reading a Superman comic relative to the unimpressiveness of an on-panel non-feat.

Originally posted by Odekahn
I'm sorry. I would try and put it in a way you could understand but they don't have a crayon font.

How about you address my point instead of regurgitating your previous post?

Here, I've got a few questions for you...

Why did Booster compare Doomsday to Flash?

Why couldn't Guy Gardner see Doomsday's attack if he wasn't attacking at super speed?

Why was Doomsday able to surprise Maxima with his speed TWICE in a row?

Why did Superman have to pick up his speed just to match Doomsday?

There's so many instances of his speed being referenced and you're being intentionally blind to it.

I specifically asked you to make a point. Not make a stupider deflective non-point.
Originally posted by Igniz
Its clear that if Superman tackled any brick at super speeds, that brick also becomes a blur as a result.So this is Superman's speed causing both him and Doomsday to become a blur to spectators all around them.
Superman apparently lends superspeed to his opponents like Flash lends superspeed to his allies. kinda

Hulk's trail like art doesn't apply... You know why? Because it's a different book and a different artist. My point was that just because something doesn't look like super speed on panel due to poor artwork doesn't mean that's not what's happening. You have to look at the entirety of the story. Also, my point was that particular artist drew that trail to signify speed, and he also drew Doomsday in the same way.

Originally posted by Odekahn
Hulk's trail like art doesn't apply... You know why? Because it's a different book and a different artist. My point was that just because something doesn't look like super speed on panel due to poor artwork doesn't mean that's not what's happening. You have to look at the entirety of the story. Also, my point was that that particular artist drew that trail to signify speed, and he also drew Doomsday in the same way.
Y'mean I have to look at the entirety of Superman forcibly pushing Doomsday at flying superspeeds through walls and understand that isn't a combat superspeed feat of Doomsday's, but a traveling speed feat of Superman's?

Of course, I forgot. The Superman Effect. Hulk's trail like art doesn't apply because it didn't involve Superman. When Superman tackles someone while flying superfast... somehow his opponent is... struggling... with superfast movements...

sam

are there any speed feats from doomsday after dos, like say from H/P when he was a lot stronger?

Originally posted by psycho gundam
are there any speed feats from doomsday after dos, like say from H/P when he was a lot stronger?
yeah, I remember Superman commenting on his speed in HP book, when he shot his claws into superman

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Y'mean I have to look at the entirety of Superman forcibly pushing Doomsday at flying superspeeds through walls and understand that isn't a combat superspeed feat of Doomsday's, but a traveling speed feat of Superman's?

Of course, I forgot. The Superman Effect. Hulk's trail like art doesn't apply because it didn't involve Superman. When Superman tackles someone while flying superfast... somehow his opponent is... struggling... with superfast movements...

sam

I mean you have to look at the rest of the STORY (i.e. Death of Superman). And you never answered my questions.

^ How does the rest of the story change that Superman's the one flying... Doomsday's the one being flown...and that the blurs are a result of Superman's traveling speed while flying?

And in response to your deflective questions, I've addressed numerous posters numerous times. But to lay it out so a preschooler can follow:

Originally posted by Odekahn
Why did Booster compare Doomsday to Flash? Because he underestimated Doomsday's speed and he's a hyperbolic idiot.

Why couldn't Guy Gardner see Doomsday's attack if he wasn't attacking at super speed? Because he underestimated Doomsday's speed and didn't see him move.

Why was Doomsday able to surprise Maxima with his speed TWICE in a row? Because she underestimated Doomsday's speed and relied on Superman holding him still... TWICE.

Why did Superman have to pick up his speed just to match Doomsday? Because he was near death and focusing too much on raw power.

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I have a question

How is Doomsday capable of killing 4 people, lift a car, grab and toss Turpin from one panel to another?

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/VS%20DOOMSDAY/HOW%20FAST%20IS%20DOOMSDAY/ag_doomsday5_MoS19_19.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/VS%20DOOMSDAY/HOW%20FAST%20IS%20DOOMSDAY/ag_doomsday5_MoS19_20.jpg

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I have a question

How are Lois and Jimmy capable of getting off a helicopter, stand by Superman's side and holding his arm, climb up a lightpole to take pictures of Doomsday from one panel to another?

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Even%20More%20Random/Doomsday02.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Even%20More%20Random/Doomsday03.jpg

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Originally posted by biensalsa
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I have a question

How is Doomsday capable of killing 4 people, lift a car, grab and toss Turpin from one panel to another?

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/VS%20DOOMSDAY/HOW%20FAST%20IS%20DOOMSDAY/ag_doomsday5_MoS19_19.jpg

http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/DC%20COMICS/SUPERMAN/VS%20DOOMSDAY/HOW%20FAST%20IS%20DOOMSDAY/ag_doomsday5_MoS19_20.jpg

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By running at it

This sh1t is getting old. The Supermandoppler Effect is even stupider than Wolverithmetics. Ya'll go ahead and build your case. Just stop trying to turn complete non-feats into superspeed feats, ffs.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
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I have a question

How are Lois and Jimmy capable of getting off a helicopter, stand by Superman's side and holding his arm, climb up a lightpole to take pictures of Doomsday from one panel to another?

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Even%20More%20Random/Doomsday02.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Even%20More%20Random/Doomsday03.jpg

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Great answer, I guess somewhere in the whole series it was stated that Lois Lane moves FASTER THAN THE FLASH

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I have a question

How are Hulk and his Warbound capable of standing in a gladiator arena, moving across the landscape to the city, to sitting around together in a jailcell from one panel to another?

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Even%20More%20Random/SuperspeedSitting01.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Even%20More%20Random/SuperspeedSitting02.jpg

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Originally posted by OneDumbG0
crackers

The following scan is not on-panel proof that Doomsday fights with superspeed movements making him a blur to onlookers. This scan is on-panel proof that Superman can tackle Doomsday with flight at speeds that make them blurs. It's a traveling speed feat. And it's Superman's traveling speed feat:

You make a good point. But that rebuttal doesn't destroy everything.

Doomsday never appeared as a blur on-panel to my recollection. Nobody referred to him as a blur either (aside from when he was tackled at superspeeds by a flying Superman). I don't disagree he's got speed that complements his power enough such that it makes it extraordinarily hard for superspeedsters to fight him. But that's more a testament to his sheer power and the deadly combination that sheer power presents when coupled with surprising speed (not superspeedster speed).

And the exact same thing could be said of the Hulk. And it has. On-panel. Moreover, it's been reinforced by measurable speed feats. Not just character statements.

Hulk is not a true speedster. No one with grade A speed has ever complained that he's too fast. Writer's intentions is one thing but Superman alone proves that DD has superspeed on his level or above his level. Hulk doesn't have that.

Has anyone of grade A super speed ever complain of Hulk's speed and be shown to not even see them move? Has Hulk hit 5 or more people simultaneously (including someone of Superman's speed level)? Note: That is a very legit high level speed feat. Has anyone claimed that Hulk was faster than the fastest being in Marvel?

If the writer was indeed trying to portray DD as being as fast as Superman (or faster) in battle speed then you are saying that he did a shitty job trying to show it. If so, then how could he have shown it?

Actually its astronomically more rucking fetarded to believe that DD wasn't being portrayed as a superspeedster in DOS. Because everyone who read it initially got that impression. Do a poll (Did you believe DD was a superspeedster after you first read DOS?) and you will see clearly.

You are a decent debater, but here you are clearly wrong. And I'm afraid you don't have the humility to admit it if you saw it. And that's worst than almost anything in life (being too proud).

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
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I have a question

How are Hulk and his Warbound capable of standing in a gladiator arena, moving across the landscape to the city, to sitting around together in a jailcell from one panel to another?

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Even%20More%20Random/SuperspeedSitting01.jpg

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Even%20More%20Random/SuperspeedSitting02.jpg

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Maybe, because somewhere it was stated that they move faster than the flash?

Oh wait they didn't so they are not

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