CISless Surfer vs HP Doomsday

To add to Phil's post...

H/P Doomsday's speed was sufficient to overwhelm an AMPED Superman:

"...And he's on top of me before I know it."

Before anyone starts, YES. The Mother Box DID amp Superman:

"Fortunately, this Hunter suit is not only equipped with many powerful devices--but its booster units also ENHANCE my own natural abilities!"

And just for the lulz... Doomsday was fast enough to easily snag a pissed off/speeding Superman out of thin air:

He's FAST. No if's, and's, or but's about it.

Originally posted by Galan007
To add to Phil's post...

H/P Doomsday's speed was sufficient to overwhelm an AMPED Superman:

"...And he's on top of me before I know it."

Before anyone starts, YES. The Mother Box DID amp Superman:

"Fortunately, this Hunter suit is not only equipped with many powerful devices--but its booster units also ENHANCE my own natural abilities!"

And just for the lulz... Doomsday was fast enough to easily snag a pissed off/speeding Superman out of thin air:

He's FAST. No if's, and's, or but's about it.

^ Well, Hulk can also destroy planets with a wave of his hand, so...

kruemelmonsteryn0

Originally posted by Galan007
^ Well, Hulk can also destroy planets with a wave of his hand, so...

kruemelmonsteryn0

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Heat vision, flight and x-ray vision do not require conscious activation. Superman himself discovered them by accident. As did all of the Kryptonians from the New Krypton storyline. As did Supergirl in Batman/Superman and even the new one in the New 52. So forgive me for saying this, but you're wrong.

And if you're trying to tell me that Doomsday does have heat vision, x-ray vision and flight strictly because of his Kryptonian heritage and just never chose to consciously activate them, forgive me for saying in advance, that's retarded.

Jesus.

That's not the point. Consciously (or accidentally) those abilities have to be ACTIVATED with certain conditions in the brain being met to work. They don't know how they did it at first, but then they learn, and its no longer an accident, is it? It is not a passive attribute the way physical stats are. Doomsday's origins are so twisted with his constant artificial rebirths that his brain has likely been altered by evolution to the point where those latent abilities were no longer seen as necessary to have, and then slowly eroded.

But clearly, the basic physiology of a Kryptonian's affinity to solar energy remains. He gets super strength, which is a product of muscular power. And what is super speed? ...Also a product of muscular power.

This is, on top of the fact, he does have demonstrated speed feats.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Not quite true. Superman rebuilt an entire city in a matter of seconds. He had to hammer nails, drill holes, lay bricks, mortar, build things up...These are all far more complicated actions than simply throwing a punch.

Ummm context? Blue sun.. yeah

Originally posted by CosmicComet
'much less kryptonian superspeed'?

That's a basic physical attribute. Heat Vision, Flight, X-Ray vision, those are specialized powers that require conscious activation.

We know because of his Kryptonian DNA he also acts as a solar battery, and this is what gives him his physical strength...so why exactly would it not give him super speed? Since his speed would be coming from his direct muscular strength, as opposed to the non-standard explanation such as with the Speed Force guys.. 😐

*Insert Facepalm for me please*

Originally posted by Philosophía
All of the statements are corroborated by Superman later having problems matching Doomsday's speed, in the final fight in Metropolis.

http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/SupermanvsDoomsdayFinal3.jpg

If Hulk would be in the same situation, and somebody with nanosecond-level combat speed (which Superman was, at this point) commented on his difficulty in matching his speed while in hand to hand combat for the fate of the world, you'd be dripping happiness in your pants. Don't pretent otherwise. You can dance around it all you want, but the issues have made it very clear, repeatedly, that his combat speed is high-end, by different fighters, in the same arc, twice of which being implied to be on Superman/Flash level, and third by another person with superspeed expressing stupefaction at him moving as fast as he does.

Cobbling together Guy's statement that he moved so fast he couldn't see what he did and Booster Gold crapping his pants exclaiming he's faster than Flash would be cogent if he actually did something Flash level (who was also approaching light speed back then). As it stands, the veracity of Booster's words should seem dubious considering he himself reacted/called out Doomsday's attacks twice: (i) when he raised his forcefield in the moment Doomsday punched him, and (ii) when he warned the crew that Doomsday was about to run right through them.

Originally posted by leonidas
you seem to be laboring under the impression that i'm trying to convince you of something.....

fact is, you don't really seem to be taking a stance beyond 'he's fast, but....' or maybe you're simply saying hulk=dd's speed. i don't really know. but where are the speedsters who hulk has overwhelmed with his speed? for the most part, hulk was abused by speedfreek iirc that fight.

as far as reverse-projection: i'm simply using the origin as one more source of inferential and implied data. one more brick in the house.

Yes, Speedfreak was zooming around Professor Hulk. And then Professor Hulk started dodging him and Speedfreak exclaimed how Hulk couldn't dodge him forever. Which is right about when Hulk ended the fight anyway.

Originally posted by leonidas
the thing about dd vs hulk--his speed was referrenced OFTEN. and it wasn't just by slow guys. a POINT WAS MADE in its referrencing. you'll say the same point is made when hulk's speed is referrenced but that is different because the context and intent differs. superman says he's as fast as lightning. hyperbole? perhaps, but it certainly is made to appear less so because it was referrenced so many times. is he faster than flash? no. but was there a point in such a declaration? of course. i don't see anyone saying hulk is faster than quicksilver. given his ltd appearances and the number of times his speed is referrenced, i think it clear as day that we are to assume a level of superspeed well beyond hulk.

Originally posted by leonidas
and as to your claim that we both know hulk's done everything speed wise dd has....? well, no. he hasn't. show hulk actually overwhelming someone with his speed (anyone, forget people with legit dc-esque superspeed) instead of simply surprising them. that is a very large distinction.

so, yeah.

So, yeah.

Originally posted by Philosophía
All of the statements are corroborated by Superman later having problems matching Doomsday's speed, in the final fight in Metropolis.

If Hulk would be in the same situation, and somebody with nanosecond-level combat speed (which Superman was, at this point) commented on his difficulty in matching his speed while in hand to hand combat for the fate of the world, you'd be dripping happiness in your pants. Don't pretent otherwise. You can dance around it all you want, but the issues have made it very clear, repeatedly, that his combat speed is high-end, by different fighters, in the same arc, twice of which being implied to be on Superman/Flash level, and third by another person with superspeed expressing stupefaction at him moving as fast as he does.

You didn't read that comic. Darkseid has superspeed. You are dense.

The sooner you proceed to accepting or improving either of those, the beter.

Lol at this post. Superman wasnt close to light speed during that era, not even close.

Example. Flash had to lend him his speed so that they can make a plan in a second.

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/plansec.jpg
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/plansec2.jpg

Superman even admits back then that he can't go light speed.

http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/lendsupli.jpg

No telling how fast Superman was back then but its not faster than some of the people Hulk has tagged moving at super speed.

Pointless scan.

booster gold said that after getting punched cleanly in the face twice by doomsday. his judgement is ........ dubious

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
To echo your sentiments in other threads, show me where Superman is actually using his own high-end nanosecond speeds during the fight. I don't need to dance around anything. Show me where, beyond being a blur when he superspeed tackled him through a convenience store, Superman was using his combat superspeed. Otherwise, Superman focusing on his power while fighting Doomsday throughout the entire fight and realizing that he's got to start matching Doomsday's incredible agility when he's already completely battered, exhausted, with legs like jelly seems to be exactly what was portrayed.

Cobbling together Guy's statement that he moved so fast he couldn't see what he did and Booster Gold crapping his pants exclaiming he's faster than Flash would be cogent if he actually did something Flash level (who was also approaching light speed back then). As it stands, the veracity of Booster's words should seem dubious considering he himself reacted/called out Doomsday's attacks twice: (i) when he raised his forcefield in the moment Doomsday punched him, and (ii) when he warned the crew that Doomsday was about to run right through them.

Ignoring that... well. I can't say I'm terribly surprised.

Originally posted by Galan007
To add to Phil's post...

H/P Doomsday's speed was sufficient to overwhelm an AMPED Superman:

"...And he's on top of me before I know it."

Before anyone starts, YES. The Mother Box DID amp Superman:

"Fortunately, this Hunter suit is not only equipped with many powerful devices--but its booster units also ENHANCE my own natural abilities!"

And just for the lulz... Doomsday was fast enough to easily snag a pissed off/speeding Superman out of thin air:

He's FAST. No if's, and's, or but's about it.

Superman was weakened to the point that he was nearly human before receiving that amp. If anything, that amp took him back to his true power level.

Originally posted by Juntai
It echoed throughout his appearances that he was incredibly fast. Fast enough for Superman to be pushing himself just to keep up during their battles. Fast enough for it to be mentioned time and time and time again. Characters and thought bubbles constantly exclaiming it shows the writers intent, regardless or not if he was actually as fast as Flash or not. He was fighting at superspeed, a speed Superman was having trouble keeping up with, and no one else encountered had an answer for either when blended with his sheer strength.

Ignoring that... well. I can't say I'm terribly surprised.

That nobody can accept that Doomsday could be amazingly agile for his size (no he has to be zoom-zoom superspeed) is completely baffling. Completely. Baffling.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Jesus.

That's not the point. Consciously (or accidentally) those abilities have to be ACTIVATED with certain conditions in the brain being met to work. They don't know how they did it at first, but then they learn, and its no longer an accident, is it? It is not a passive attribute the way physical stats are. Doomsday's origins are so twisted with his constant artificial rebirths that his brain has likely been altered by evolution to the point where those latent abilities were no longer seen as necessary to have, and then slowly eroded.

But clearly, the basic physiology of a Kryptonian's affinity to solar energy remains. He gets super strength, which is a product of muscular power. And what is super speed? ...Also a product of muscular power.

This is, on top of the fact, he does have demonstrated speed feats.

I'm not getting into the whole superstrength = superspeed debate. You can argue that point with carver9 all you like and watch it transmorph into some new KMC horror.

Originally posted by carver9
Superman was weakened to the point that he was nearly human before receiving that amp. If anything, that amp took him back to his true power level.

facepalm@carver.
Do I really have to put superman moving and having a conversation in a fraction of a nanosecond again?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
To echo your sentiments in other threads, show me where Superman is actually using his own high-end nanosecond speeds during the fight. I don't need to dance around anything. Show me where, beyond being a blur when he superspeed tackled him through a convenience store, Superman was using his combat superspeed. Otherwise, Superman focusing on his power while fighting Doomsday throughout the entire fight and realizing that he's got to start matching Doomsday's incredible agility when he's already completely battered, exhausted, with legs like jelly seems to be exactly what was portrayed.

Cobbling together Guy's statement that he moved so fast he couldn't see what he did and Booster Gold crapping his pants exclaiming he's faster than Flash would be cogent if he actually did something Flash level (who was also approaching light speed back then). As it stands, the veracity of Booster's words should seem dubious considering he himself reacted/called out Doomsday's attacks twice: (i) when he raised his forcefield in the moment Doomsday punched him, and (ii) when he warned the crew that Doomsday was about to run right through them.

The fact that you're trying to promote Doomsday being roughly equal to Hulk in combat speed, when one of them pushes a nanosecond-level combatant to the upper limits of his capabilities just to match his speed, while the other one has nothing of that kind, is astonishing.

Originally posted by abhilegend
facepalm@carver.
Do I really have to put superman moving and having a conversation in a fraction of a nanosecond again?

Do I have to repost that scan where Superman clearly say "he can't go light speed"?

Originally posted by Galan007
This is one of the most idiotic posts I've ever read. Not joking.

Lolololol...was he weakened before receiving the amp, yes or no?

Originally posted by psycho gundam
booster gold said that after getting punched cleanly in the face twice by doomsday. his judgement is ........ dubious

Booster Gold would say he has Flash+ reaction times. Now... that doesn't make him Flash+... but the implications are pretty clear at this point. vin