Originally posted by Endless Mike
Um, Vulcan [b]did stop that bullet. And you can't apply earth standards to alien tech anyway. There was no timeframe provided for the Iron Man thing. Accelerating to relativistic speed in space with continuous thrust is inevitable, if you understood basic physics. This is why reaction feats are also important, but you ignore them... [/B]
Gladiator.stopped the bullet. Vulcan would have died if it wasn't for Gladiator. Lol at that bullet being light speed. Ironman and Sentry flew from Earth to the Sun with Void during mid sentence. Doesn't matter if it was thruster or not, its a space light speed ft. That still doesn't discredit my post like Super Skrull, Terrax, Firelord, Captain Mar-vell, Drax, Despero, along with thousands of others achieving light speed via space flight. Flight and combat speed are two different things MIKE. This is common knowledge...especially space flight.
Originally posted by carver9
Gladiator.stopped the bullet. Vulcan would have died if it wasn't for Gladiator.
There's no way to prove that.
Lol at that bullet being light speed.
It's alien tech. We have no idea how it worked.
Ironman and Sentry flew from Earth to the Sun with Void during mid sentence.
And Wolverine can say 10 pages worth of dialogue while he's in the middle of jumping at somebody. Speaking isn't such a good way to determine timeframe.
Doesn't matter if it was thruster or not, its a space light speed ft. That still doesn't discredit my post like Super Skrull, Terrax, Firelord, Captain Mar-vell, Drax, Despero, along with thousands of others achieving light speed via space flight.
You never gave a timeframe for any of that stuff.
Flight and combat speed are two different things MIKE. This is common knowledge...especially space flight.
There's no such thing as "combat speed". There's just movement speed and reaction speed. If you have both then you can fight at that speed.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
There's no way to prove that.It's alien tech. We have no idea how it worked.
And Wolverine can say 10 pages worth of dialogue while he's in the middle of jumping at somebody. Speaking isn't such a good way to determine timeframe.
You never gave a timeframe for any of that stuff.
There's no such thing as "combat speed". There's just movement speed and reaction speed. If you have both then you can fight at that speed.
Vulcan standing in front of an army preaching...don't even see the bullet coming...Gladiator saves his a**.
http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb6/Enteithegreat/Imperial%20Guard/Kallark-ReacttoBullet.jpg
Lol...Vulcan flew from one end of a Galaxy to the other in a week...that FTL but he can't catch or see a bullet. Ironman and Sentry make it to the Sun during mid Sentence which again is ftl. Are you really implying that time has to be given every time someone achieve light speed via space when its pretty obvious it was done?
Are you also implying that Firelord and Terrax never achieved light speed in space?
Ok, I was right...it was a week.
http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb312/RespectThread/Vulcan/fights/random/fight%201/1.jpg
Made it to the Shiar empire which is located on the other side of the Galaxy is a week.
Originally posted by carver9
Vulcan standing in front of an army preaching...don't even see the bullet coming...Gladiator saves his a**.http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb6/Enteithegreat/Imperial%20Guard/Kallark-ReacttoBullet.jpg
And you know that it would have hurt him, or Gladiator just thought it would?
Heck, do you remember Vulcan's fight with Black Bolt? His body was getting disintegrated and he was rebuilding himself, so why do you think a bullet would kill him?
Unless of course, it wasn't a normal bullet...
Lol...Vulcan flew from one end of a Galaxy to the other in a week...that FTL but he can't catch or see a bullet.
There are two possibilities here:
1. Either that bullet couldn't have actually killed him, thus Gladiator didn't know what he was talking about, so you can't trust him on anything.
2. The bullet would have killed him, which would mean it was nothing like a normal bullet, so you can't say how fast it was going, or how it worked...
Either way, you lose.
Ironman and Sentry make it to the Sun during mid Sentence which again is ftl. Are you really implying that time has to be given every time someone achieve light speed via space when its pretty obvious it was done?[quote]Weasel words. Saying something is "obvious" doesn't make it so.
[quote]Are you also implying that Firelord and Terrax never achieved light speed in space?
I said that where?
Originally posted by Endless Mike
And you know that it would have hurt him, or Gladiator just thought it would?Heck, do you remember Vulcan's fight with Black Bolt? His body was getting disintegrated and he was rebuilding himself, so why do you think a bullet would kill him?
Unless of course, it wasn't a normal bullet...
There are two possibilities here:
1. Either that bullet couldn't have actually killed him, thus Gladiator didn't know what he was talking about, so you can't trust him on anything.
2. The bullet would have killed him, which would mean it was nothing like a normal bullet, so you can't say how fast it was going, or how it worked...
Either way, you lose.
I said that where?
Lol @ this post.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Yes, laugh, when you don't have a rebuttal. You think a normal bullet could kill a guy who can regenerate from having his body disintegrated by Black Bolt's voice. That's a good one.
First you have to prove the bullet was moving at light (lol). This doesn't have a thing to do with killing...the scan was posted to prove Vulcan couldn't react to a bullet.
No I don't. I only have to prove that either
1. It wasn't a normal bullet
or
2. Gladiator underestimated Vulcan's abilities.
Either one blows your argument out of the water.
I could also bring up the fact that being hit by something by surprise is different from not being able to react to it. A steamroller moving at 1 inch per second could still crush you from behind if you were looking the other way and didn't notice it coming.
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
I'm not sure what you're looking for then. If "ranting" about his high end showings isn't evidence as to how strong Superman is, what am I supposed to do? Rattle off a list of his low showings? I also don't really care if I convince you or not, if you want to ignore all of Superman's high end showings that's your choice. I think you'll be hard pressed to find anyone who thinks Thor is as strong as Superman (besides Carver, who thinks that the Thing would beat down Superman), and I doubt even he would be delusional enough to think Thor without his hammer is lasting very long against Superman at all.
It's relevant evidence, sure, but ignoring everything else I posted including my questioning of some of your claims, and giving me an essay about every Superman strength feat you can think of (Meaning canon or not, as well as some miss interpreted ones), doesn't do anybody any good. I know the majority of what you listed, Thor has comparable feats under his belt, albeit not as many (I can give you a list of his greatest hits if you'd like), but like I said earlier, he has a good enough repertoire that resorting to a numbers game in no way supports the argument that he's ten times weaker than Superman.
Fair enough, you don't have to convince me, I'm not really putting that much effort into doing so either. I know individuals who believe Thor/Superman to be mostly on par, but such information is completely irrelevant here. For the record, I think Carver was referring to the post reboot Superman.
The implication there being that I think Thor is completely on par with Superman, I don't. I'd give Clark the edge over Thor. In regards to his chances without Mjolnir, Superman should win, but chances are he'd slug it out for the most part, so Thor will give a good accounting for himself.
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
And you say that it was only stated once that Warrior's madness increased his strength tenfold, like that somehow means it doesn't? The fact is, it has been stated it increases his strength tenfold, until I see a comic that says otherwise, that's the evidence i'm going by. If you increased Superman's strength tenfold, he'd be retconning reality with each punch.
Let me clarify: Up until about 1999, the Warrior Madness based on descriptions is the equivalent to someone losing their head and seeing red (With different clauses added every once in a while such as it being incurable). However, right before the Onslaught Saga concluded, Thor said that he might no longer be able to fight like a God due to spending so much time amongst mortals, i.e. he couldn't enter Warrior Madness, a state that amped his strength ten fold.
Do you understand? In every instance it's been used in, the idea that Thor received a ten times amp was never even introduced.
Now since you have an agenda, I doubt it ultimately matters to you, but the fact that writers as far as we know can't see into the future, they as a result didn't intend to give Thor any such large strength amp, so you're argument is somewhat laughable with a hint of desperation.
Fun fact: Despite showing up like once a decade or so in the past, since that new clause was added, the Warrior Madness has never been seen again. Which isn't surprising, who would want to have a Thor with ten times the strength running around? It'd be ridiculous.
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Thor against Thanos with WM wasn't all that impressive to be honest, considering his strength was supposed to TEN TIMES normal levels.
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Thor wasn't in Warrior Madness during Blood and Thunder.
At this point, I'd wager your position is due to a lack of information as well as false information more than anything.
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
If you want to look at direct evidence, Superman caught Thor's hammer in one hand and tossed him away. And yes, that's a canon fight despite what Marvel fans wish.
A bit of an oversimplification but it's true, Superman did come out looking as the stronger of the two. However, how you can read that fight and come to the conclusion that Thor's ten times weaker than Superman is beyond me.
