Originally posted by Horrificus
I don't know about that.
I think some of those entries could use some "looking up".The word "Omniversal" seems to have been thrown around an awful lot, considering it's meaning.
Mr Master is pretty damn accurate, his list of the most powerful is better than cpd12859 bogus list!!
Originally posted by Horrificus
It wasn't an insult.But, the subject matter leaves a lot open to interpretation. And personal opinion. And memory doesn't always match up with what is on-panel.
Originally posted by the DarkoneDude, I was debating with Mr. Master years and years ago about this stuff. If you go back and search, you will find mappings that I have posted, representing the "Omniverse".
Never said it was, mr master has shown panel proof, he and galan07 are good at this, very good! His list is pretty damn accurate
I know he is good. And, obviously, has kept current with this type of info.
But, that doesn't mean that you don't continue to question. Or, that you negate the opinions of other members. Or, that you attempt to "muscle" other members into silence.
Especially, me. 😄
And, Guy, as far as I can tell, your grip on stories involving the "Big Boys" and most "Events Cosmic", always makes your posts worth a gander.
good morning 🙂
when i joined i didn't have access to scans so i had to learn and will always give thanks to those i consider peers
prolly read comics longer than most here and so debating isn't what i do i get paid by my job to holler and make arguments 😂 😄
i even recall my world famous demon thread or tiamut vs jaspers
i apply a one word answer because its simple and other things occupy my time and its so much fun to rile up those in power at kmc
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ur really knowledgeable and its a joy reading ur posts 🙂
me, just a nerd who knows nothing about anything 😄
Originally posted by the Darkone
You are wrong though, it's not even funnyThe One Above All
Heart of the Universe
Pre Beyonder
Pre Molecule Man
Living Tribunal/Protege
Captain Britian w/Excalibur and Amulet of power/Merilyn/Sis-gen/Infinity Being/Eddfice Rex
Mad Jim Jasper/ HOM Scarlet Witch/ Insane Genis/ Jamie Braddock
White Crown of the Phoenix
Meggan -Absorbing the powers of Beyonders
Evil Molecule Man
Multi Eternity
Infinities/The Makers
Infintiy Guanlet/Star Brand
Ultimate Nullifier
Abraxas/Chaos King
Eternity/Infinity/Death/Oblivion/FP Galactus/7 friendlys/Fulcrum/TiamutGalactus/Celestials/Chaos and Order/Love and Hate/Stranger/In-Betweener/Nebula(Kronus)/Eon /Epoch/ DP Phoenix/ FP Franklin Richards/Classic Odin
high end cosmic^
Cube Beings:
Molecule Man/Beyonder/Shaper of Worlds/Kubik/CosmosElder Gods:
Atum the God-eater/ Demogorge/Set/Chthon/Gaea /Vishanti/Rune King ThorSky-fathers and Hell Lords and Demons
Odin/Zeus/Vishnu/King Thor/Zuras/SA Mangog/Asgard Destroyer/Seth/Mikaboshi/Dormammu/Umar/Cyttorak/Surtur/Satanish/Black Heart other hell lord & SkyfathersTrans
Tyrant/Mangog/Kurse/Thanos/High Evolutionary/Magus/Lord Marv-ell/ OF Thor/Void-Sentry/ B&T ThorHeralds
Thor/Silver Surfer/Beta Ray Bill/Gladiator/Sentry/ Adam Warlock/ Blue Marvel/ Hyperion 712/Sersi/ Meggan/Black Bolt/Hulk/Wonder Man/Classic Dr StrangeThis more accurate and this base off of Mr MAster list I might missing some people. You have Dormammu over Celestials that's funny, where its been stated he is Odin/Zues equal!!
When you refer to "Captain Britain w/Excalibur and Amulet of power", what do you think Excalibur is?
I dont include pre retcon characters in my hierarchies because i believe thats just dumb 😬
TOAA
LT
Phoenix Force / Chaos King
White Phoenix Of Crown
HOTI
Infinity Gauntlet
Eternity/Infinity
Death / Oblivion
HOM Wanda
Lower ranking Abstracts / Cosmic Cubes
Galactus /Celestials/Franklin Richards/Average Phoenix Host
Inbetweener/Stranger/Cube Beings/ Star Brand / Elder Gods/MJJ
Skyfathers / Hell Lords
Elders Of The Universe
Heralds
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Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I dont include pre retcon characters in my hierarchies
because i believe thats just dumbTOAA
LT
Phoenix Force / Chaos King
White Phoenix Of Crown
HOTI
Infinity Gauntlet
Eternity/Infinity
Death / Oblivion
HOM Wanda
Lower ranking Abstracts / Cosmic Cubes
Galactus /Celestials/Franklin Richards/Average Phoenix Host
Inbetweener/Stranger/Cube Beings/ Star Brand / Elder Gods/MJJ
Skyfathers / Hell Lords
Elders Of The Universe
Heralds
No offense, but come on, you gotta be on mushrooms.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I dont include pre retcon characters in my hierarchies because i believe thats just dumb 😬TOAA
LT
Phoenix Force / Chaos King
White Phoenix Of Crown
HOTI
Infinity Gauntlet
Eternity/Infinity
Death / Oblivion
HOM Wanda
Lower ranking Abstracts / Cosmic Cubes
Galactus /Celestials/Franklin Richards/Average Phoenix Host
Inbetweener/Stranger/Cube Beings/ Star Brand / Elder Gods/MJJ
Skyfathers / Hell Lords
Elders Of The Universe
Heralds
Some people may gasp at Mad Jim Jaspers ranking in my hierarchy, but in reality what did he actually do? 😕
The only reason people rank him so highly is because of a glimpse into the future where his warp would eventually cover the omniverse if he wasnt stopped. Using potential futures as evidence is as useful as using What Ifs to determine a characters abilities. Theres no telling exactly how MJJ got from the current to that point in the future.
MJJs reality warp was a slow expansion wave and everything it covered fell under his influence. With a snap of the fingers or a thought he was never shown to be able to cause any universal changes.
On panel his reality warp as stated on panel only actually effected most of Earth.
The guy is overrated based on this future vision and the abilities of his alternate reality counterpart in earth 238 (something like that 😕 ) 😄
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
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Phoenix Force is confirmed on panel to be the Big Bang that is the sum and substance of creation. Its bio also states that it is a multiversal force. Those firebirds are avatars not the sum of the Force as also stated on panel.
HOTI is overrated because Thanos fought the abstracts who themselves are mere fragments of the the universe and each one taps into a portion of the universes power. Great.
White Phoenix Of Crown manipulated the atoms of the universe in her palm thereby wielding considerably greater energies than those contained within said universe.
IG is below HOTI universe. Simple.
Like it or not i can give sound reasoning for the rankings 🙂
Originally posted by Galan007
So you think if WPOTC would have popped in, just as Thanos /w/ THOTI began absorbing everything, that she could have not only resisted said absorption frenzy, but beat Thanos?
She wields more power than he displayed. Thats enough for a higher ranking.
Is this not about power rankings as opposed to combat ability?
Originally posted by GalacticStormIt was so slow the warp would have been completed within the day had he not been stopped.
MJJs reality warp was a slow expansion wave and everything it covered fell under his influence.
I don't feel the need to provide a scan, because I honestly can't imagine Mr Master isn't already planning to do so.
Originally posted by Galan007
I was just inquiring as to how you feel a battle between them would go...
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Power wise she was more impressive, manipulating a universes atoms, amputating a timeline etc.
I'd give it to her as when operating at high levels the Phoenix Consciousness takes over to direct her actions as stated on panel.
The full force is beyond HOTI without a doubt however 🙂