Thor vs Superman-HTH

By now you must have realized that Thor is extremely proficient with weapons and that has always been the case, as seen here when a young Thor easily schools a fellow Asgardian in battle.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/DefeatsAsgardian1.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/DefeatsAsgardian2.jpg

Thor goes on to easily defeat Sif as well.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/DefeatsSif1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/DefeatsSif2.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/DefeatsSif3.jpg
Note: Sif is an incredibly skilled warrior in her own right as seen here when she easily bests Volstagg.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/DefeatsSif4.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/DefeatsSif5.jpg

A drop kick to an opponent's face is always fun.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/MangogvsThor15.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/MangogvsThor16.jpg

Thor outmaneuvers the Super Skrull with his abilities.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsSuperSkrull10.jpg

Tosses Krato.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsHercules29.jpg

He Does something similar to Hercules.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsHercules34.jpg

Demonstrates skill when he adds Ulik's weight to his own for a toss.
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/R-O-O/Thor/Ulikskill.jpg

Thor darts and weaves between Ulik's blows, then flips him.
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa469/R-O-O/Thor/Ulikskill2.jpg

Thor illustrates his superior skills against Masterson, leading to comments such as "Thor's dodging and weaving like a pro!" and "I can't seem to land a blow on him!".
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorvsMastersonThor2.jpg

The Absorbing Man believed that simply possessing all of Thor's powers made them equals, but he soon learned that was not the case, when Thor outfights him in moments using his superior skill.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsAbsorbingMan19.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsAbsorbingMan20.jpg

"How can I fight 'Im? He's everywhere at once!!" is how Crusher Creel describes Thor who beats him down using his incredible fighting skills.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsAbsorbingMan31.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsAbsorbingMan32.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsAbsorbingMan34.jpg

Thor might brawl like a brick against his peers in strength, but that is because he chooses to. When he truly gets ticked off and uses his skills, the fight gets one sided, even if his opponent is someone as formidable as the Juggernaut.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/JuggernautvsThor6.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/JuggernautvsThor7.jpg

After their teammates were defeated, Thor and Hercules take on the Exemplars -beings who are peers to the Juggernaut- "in a display of skill and strength that rivals anything seen in Earth's long history." If they were not so outnumbered,"their centuries of experience" would have allowed them to win.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/Thorskill2.jpg

Thor once again shows what separates him from other powerhouses when he beats the utter shit out of an amped Loki and Fenris without letting them lay a hand on him.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/RagnarokThor31.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/RagnarokThor32.jpg

The Man Beast was apparently an incredibly skilled individual, possessing the knowledge of every form of combat evolved by a million years, and Thor's fighting prowess still proves to be the superior.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/DefeatsManBeast2.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/DefeatsManBeast3.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/DefeatsManBeast9.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/DefeatsManBeast10.jpg

Even a warrior as fabled as Hercules is impressed by Thor's skills.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Thorskill.jpg

Thor briefly counters and outmaneuvers Hercules.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsHercules4.jpg
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsHercules5.jpg

Thor uses his skill to defeat Hercules in combat.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/DefeatsHercules1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/DefeatsHercules2.jpg
Note: This might be a different Hercules from the one we are currently familiar with.

Captain America himself has described Thor's abilities as such: "He is an expert combatant; having been trained for hundreds of years in the art of war. His understanding of tactics and strategies encompasses the teachings of cultures over several centuries. Thor has shown himself to be proficient as a swordsman and in the use of his enchanted Uru hammer, Mjolnir."
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Bio6.jpg

Originally posted by Silent Master
Taken from Rage's respect thread

In a mortal form, Thor defeats some Zombie like creatures unleashed by Loki along with some warriors.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/DefeatsZombies1.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/DefeatsZombies2.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/DefeatsZombies3.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/DefeatsZombies4.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/DefeatsZombies5.jpg

Giant rats are no problem for a warrior of Thor's caliber either.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/DefeatsRats1.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/DefeatsRats2.jpg

Thor can even take out a helicopter when mortal.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/DestroysHelicopter1.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/DestroysHelicopter2.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/DestroysHelicopter3.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/DestroysHelicopter4.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/DestroysHelicopter5.jpg

As he is so incredibly powerful, it's not often that you see his victories attributed to his skill, but when they are, they certainly are impressive, such as here when he rescues a girl and defeats numerous street punks.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/DefeatsPunks3.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/DefeatsPunks4.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/DefeatsPunks5.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/DefeatsPunks6.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/DefeatsPunks7.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/DefeatsPunks8.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/DefeatsPunks9.jpg

Thor along with the Enchantress suddenly find themselves bereft of powers and are attacked by punks who they dispose of without even paying them any attention.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/DefeatsPunks1.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/DefeatsPunks2.jpg

Even as Donald Blake, his skills are supreme.
http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/Thorskill3.jpg

Another showing of impressive skill when he knocks out 3 mortals with one hammer blow.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/DefeatsPunks11.jpg

Originally posted by Silent Master
Thor encounters the Enchantress' trained guards and disposes of them swiftly.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/DefeatsEnchanGuards2.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/DefeatsEnchanGuards3.jpg

Bereft of powers and placed in the body of mortals, Thor defeats 3 armed guards of the Gibichung's stronghold with his amazing swordsmanship.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/DefeatsArmy2.jpg

Later on, Thor once again takes on and defeats the Garrisons of the Gibichungs -who were the finest warriors in the Rhinelands- except this time, there were dozens of them.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/DefeatsArmy3.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/DefeatsArmy4.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/DefeatsArmy5.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/DefeatsArmy6.jpg
Note: In these two scenes, Brunhilda had used her magic to make Thor impervious to harm unless he was struck from behind. Fortunately that was never tested as these guards could not even touch him.

In mortal form, Thor wrestles and defeats nearly a dozen men.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/StrongerthanDozen1.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/StrongerthanDozen2.jpg

If you think that was impressive, here Thor takes on and out wrestles a Grizzly Bear when stripped of his powers and having his soul placed in a human form.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/DefeatsBear1.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/DefeatsBear2.jpg

Thor further demonstrates his impressive skill when he defeats a horde of undead automatons while on the verge of death.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/DefeatRobotZomibes5.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/DefeatRobotZomibes6.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/DefeatRobotZomibes7.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/DefeatRobotZomibes8.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/DefeatRobotZomibes9.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/DefeatRobotZomibes10.jpg

A powerless Thor utterly annihilates two Troll Guards.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/DefeatsTrolls1.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/DefeatsTrolls2.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/DefeatsTrolls3.jpg

Thor plows through the minions of Seth like a hot knife through butter.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/DefeatsSethTroops1.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/DefeatsSethTroops2.jpg

Even after hours of torture, Thor is able to use his ridiculous fighting prowess to plow through Seth's minions and knock out Grog the God Crusher. The average strength for a male Heliopolitan god is class 30.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThordefeatsGrog3.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThordefeatsGrog5.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThordefeatsGrog6.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThordefeatsGrog7.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThordefeatsGrog8.jpg

Without powers, Thor is able to keep up with Captain America -even saves his life- as they take on the troops of the Zodiac.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/DefeatZodiacWarriors1.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/DefeatZodiacWarriors2.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/DefeatZodiacWarriors3.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/DefeatZodiacWarriors4.jpg

They encounter the troops of the Zodiac in their lair, and Thor once again keeps up with Captain America.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/DefeatZodiacWarriors7.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/DefeatZodiacWarriors8.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/DefeatZodiacWarriors9.jpg

Thor isn't just an extremely skilled warrior, but his also an amazing teacher as seen here when turns the young Cedaric who abhorred fighting into a great warrior.
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/TrainCedaric.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/Mortal%20Thor/TrainCedaric2.jpg

Thor doesn't demonstrate incredible skill only when powerless as seen here when he utterly dominates Mister Hyde in battle using his incredible skill in 60 seconds.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThordefeatsHyde1.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThordefeatsHyde2.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThordefeatsHyde3.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThordefeatsHyde4.jpg

You asked for feats.

Originally posted by Silent Master
You asked for feats.

You asked for skill feats, those scans were taken from the skill section of a respect thread.

Thanks for these, very impressive. Half of them aren't really useful to this thread, however! I am referring of course to the ones where he is using weaponry. Of the HtH ones, I kinda discounted the 'random punk' encounters.

The others though, were good. Bit old, but as I understand it, because they never had a Crisis, Marvel's old feats are still relevant, right?

Originally posted by Damborgson
Pre Flashpoint Superman vs Thor in Hand to Hand combat. No other abilities will be used. (No flying, no super speed, no lightning, no Durok droppers, etc...) Just their strength and skill. Who takes it?

VS

HAND TO HAND!!!

Not ARMED COMBAT!!!

Geez dude can You see the difference?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Thanks for these, very impressive. Half of them aren't really useful to this thread, however! I am referring of course to the ones where he is using weaponry. Of the HtH ones, I kinda discounted the 'random punk' encounters.

The others though, were good. Bit old, but as I understand it, because they never had a Crisis, Marvel's old feats are still relevant, right?

biensalsa and abhilegend both disagreed when I said that Thor had better skill in armed and unarmed combat, so I included both.

He might be armed in the scans of him helping Cap, but it also shows some agility and he uses some kicks which can be used in a HTH only fight.

Originally posted by Silent Master
You asked for skill feats, those scans were taken from the skill section of a respect thread.

Yeah....I guess I remain to be convinced, however. Clark took out Batman. BATMAN. In unarmed combat. You have to admit, if nothing else, that is pretty uber.

It would be like Thor taking out Cap in unarmed combat. Whilst Cap had Thor's powers.

Originally posted by Silent Master
biensalsa and abhilegend both disagreed when I said that Thor had better skill in armed and unarmed combat, so I included both.

He might be armed in the scans of him helping Cap, but it also shows some agility and he uses some kicks which can be used in a HTH only fight.

And just because a person is skilled using a weapon it means he is better at H2H?

I will wait for the argument of an skilled fencing athlete who can kick to be better at H2H than a MMA fighter.

And don't take me wrong, If this were armed combat, Thor is better trained and has more displays of armed combat, in EVERY issue.

So I will be fighting a loosing argument when Superman rarely uses weapons

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah....I guess I remain to be convinced, however. Clark took out Batman. BATMAN. In unarmed combat. You have to admit, if nothing else, that is pretty uber.

It would be like Thor taking out Cap in unarmed combat. Whilst Cap had Thor's powers.

So the argument is that Superman is more skilled than Batman?

Originally posted by Silent Master
So the argument is that Superman is more skilled than Batman?

Originally posted by biensalsa
And just because a person is skilled using a weapon it means he is better at H2H?

I will wait for the argument of an skilled fencing athlete who can kick to be better at H2H than a MMA fighter.

And don't take me wrong, If this were armed combat, Thor is better trained and has more displays of armed combat, in EVERY issue.

So I will be fighting a loosing argument when Superman rarely uses weapons

You disagreed that Thor was more skilled in both armed and unarmed combat, so I posted examples of both.

Besides, several of the armed examples also include things like Thor doing flips, using kicks and throws...all of which would be useful in a HTH fight.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No one said that.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah....I guess I remain to be convinced, however. Clark took out Batman. BATMAN. In unarmed combat. You have to admit, if nothing else, that is pretty uber.

It would be like Thor taking out Cap in unarmed combat. Whilst Cap had Thor's powers.

If Superman took Batman out there were obvoulsy circumstances or PIS.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Besides, several of the armed examples also include things like Thor doing flips, using kicks and throws...all of which would be useful in a HTH fight.

Doesn't even make you more skilled but they asked for it...

Originally posted by Silent Master
So the argument is that Superman is more skilled than Batman?

No the argument is that a skilled fencing athlete is not better at h2h than a martial artist, or a MMA fighter or a boxer.

You think a fencing athlete is better at H2H than any of those?

Originally posted by biensalsa
No the argument is that a skilled fencing athlete is not better at h2h than a martial artist, or a MMA fighter or a boxer.

You think a fencing athlete is better at H2H than any of those?

In a swordfight and if hes carrying a sword, yea he just well could be or probably is.

Oh wait, no I didn't mean that Clark>Bruce in HtH...

But that Clark is sufficently skilled, and fast, to be able to take at least some wins in an unarmed combat situation against Batman (1/2, maybe even 3? out of 10). And I would place Batman waay above Thor in the skills department, so, for Clark, that would up his chances.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Oh wait, no I didn't mean that Clark>Bruce in HtH...

But that Clark is sufficently skilled, and fast, to be able to take at least some wins in an unarmed combat situation against Batman (1/2, maybe even 3? out of 10). And I would place Batman waay above Thor in the skills department, so, for Clark, that would up his chances.

Proof?