Black Lantern Kal-L vs The Keeper (Surfer)

Originally posted by abhilegend
Dude

First know what are you talking about.

I just know what Kal-L can do.

This guy was nearly on par with PC superman.

He has done things like this

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Pre-crisis/Superman091-08.jpg

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Pre-crisis/Superman058-45.jpg

I already said that with time stop and bfr keeper would win. You think a guy who can kill anti monitor (weakened) with his bare hands can't beat an upgraded surfer?

Put scans of Kal-L doing this kind of things.

Here is some of Keeper pwnage and bullshit feats:

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/9957/keeper1stopstimess5.jpg
That's right: Time itself is his *****.

Teleport away a friggin city
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/9591/keeper6transportcity1dz2.jpg
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/9938/keeper6transportcity2ue2.jpg

This is the kind of power he had under hand

Originally posted by Horrificus
Thanks for being honest.

Unfortunately, this fact kind of screws up your argument.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Superman punched part of his head off, and fodder or not the principle stays the same. BL Supes is basically his fomrer self without weaknesses and HF but his new kryptonite is white light. IF (and that's a big if imo) the quantum bands can generate this kind of light, because it's not simple white light like a white flashlight or something, he has big problems.

Not saying he wins or looses though.

The bands can analyze, control, and/or create any for of energy except "magic".

And, even without the bands, Surfer has been shown to have similar abilities.

Originally posted by abhilegend
May I ask you how?

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Put scans of Kal-L doing this kind of things.

Here is some of Keeper pwnage and bullshit feats:

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/9957/keeper1stopstimess5.jpg
That's right: Time itself is his *****.

Teleport away a friggin city
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/9591/keeper6transportcity1dz2.jpg
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/9938/keeper6transportcity2ue2.jpg

This is the kind of power he had under hand

Originally posted by abhilegend
Time stop and bfr ftw.

Originally posted by Horrificus
The White Light of the Entity- If it is not "Magical" in nature, the Quantum bands will own it and can use it.

The bands can analyze, control, and/or create any for of energy except "magic".

And, even without the bands, Surfer has been shown to have similar abilities.

Originally posted by Horrificus
How can you determine the outcome of a battle if you only have in-depth knowledge of one side?

Originally posted by abhilegend
That white entity in blackest night was the primal creation light. You think quasar can create any energy except magic, be my guest and prove it.

I've read both sides and have the knowledge of both sides.

And, if you are as knowledgeable as you say, you would already know that.

Which is why you either:

1. Do not know what you are talking about.
or
2. You don't care about the facts and are just going to stick to your baseless denial.

Come on, be honest.

In one thread, your big argument is that the power cannot be controlled by a specific character, because it was NOT "mystical" in nature.

Now, that Kal-L is up against a super-high-tier, "real-space" power manipulator, you are going to try and state the the power source is untouchable as well.

Not very honest.

Why not just tell us that Kal-L cannot be beaten because he is just
Really Neat! 🙄

Originally posted by Horrificus
Why do I have to prove what has been stated over and over. This is his power profile. It is one of the things that the Quantum Bands do.
It would be like me asking for proof that Kal-L is strong.

And, if you are as knowledgeable as you say, you would already know that.

Which is why you either:

1. Do not know what you are talking about.
or
2. You don't care about the facts and are just going to stick to your baseless denial.

Come on, be honest.

In one thread, your big argument is that the power cannot be controlled by a specific character, because it was NOT "mystical" in nature.

Now, that Kal-L is up against a super-high-tier, "real-space" power manipulator, you are going to try and state the the power source is untouchable as well.

Not very honest.

Why not just tell us that Kal-L cannot be beaten because he is just
[b]Really Neat! 🙄 [/B]

Originally posted by abhilegend
What are you babbling about? You claimed quasar can produce white light as the white entity does. I asked proof. Now you are back-peddling saying its what he does. That's not how things work here. How does both contradict each other? You think quasar is the only guy in comics who can control entire EM spectrum?

"Back peddling"? If the white light is part of the existing spectrum of energy in the universe, the Quantum Bands can definitely control it. And, the Surfer, on his own, would have a good chance of doing it also.

On-the-fly, Quasar was able to analyze and shut down a Watcher's power.

That is their power profile. Period. It is up to you to show that the power, for some reason, is not part of the energy they control.

If the books are filled with the proof and the statements, you have to show that your argument falls outside of the proven evidence.

Now, if Keeper can control ALL existing energy in the universe, besides magical power, why do you say that he cannot control the sources of energy wielded by these lanterns?

And, on top of that, if the Keeper is an equal to Galactus, why is he defeated by Kal-L?

The powers that the Black and White Lanterns wield are not Magical and they are not

Originally posted by Horrificus
And, on top of that, if the Keeper is an equal to Galactus, why is he defeated by Kal-L?

The powers that the Black and White Lanterns wield are not Magical and they are not

Lol, Keeper is not equal to Galactus.

Originally posted by Cogito
Lol, Keeper is not equal to Galactus.

Then, he stopped, gave Galactus FULL Power, saving G. Then was called the equal of Galactus, by Eon.

Galactus and Keeper are now equals, with the Keeper feeding Galactus forever.

Do I need to post the scans? Are you arguing this point because you never read the book?

Originally posted by Cogito
Lol, Keeper is not equal to Galactus.

Killing Blow-

Equals-

I don't deny that he fought Galactus at his weakest point ever. That does not make them equals by any means.

And the "equal partner" is referring to what Surfer said next. They're partners in opposite roles. He is still not equal in power to an even mediocre Galactus.

yeah, ss was slaughtered--effortlessly--by g when he finally got po'd. AND he was weak when he destroyed him.

keeper is nowhere close to g. the whole white light issue is a little complicated. it wasn't just any white light in some cases. at first it seemed only certain characters could produce the type of light that would harm a bl. later on it seemed to broaden some. keeper might be able to produce the needed type of light, but it certainly isn't common knowledge so i don't know if he could 'cosmic awareness' the weakness or not.

barring the use of white light, if it came to h2h ss would lose. otherwise he'd simply have to try and do things to kal that have never been done and are hence, speculatory in their affects. could he matter manip him? maybe? generate sufficient force to disintegrate him? doubt it. bfr him? for sure.

keeper was more powerful than ss but how much more isn't easy to say and i fall on the side of not all that much more powerful.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You think teleporting a city takes more power than blowing out a star?

Teleporting the city also 'taxed' him. Meaning he was spent from the effort. A nice showing but hardly uber. So I agree with you, the Superman sun feat > Keeper city feat.

Keeper takes it without much difficulty.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Killing Blow-

Equals-

Horrificus, they were NOT anywhere near equals. I can prove this. Later during their final encounter, a HUNGRY Galactus WTFpwned Keeper and I can prove this with scans.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You think teleporting a city takes more power than blowing out a star?

It's hard to make a direct comparison due to A) both things being unprecedented in real science and B) one thing being nonsense. You can't "blow out" a star as though it were literally on fire. You'd pretty much need toonforce to pull that off.

So while, on the one hand, a star is a much bigger handful than a city, simple "extinguishment" is a much easier act than teleportation. Your mileage may vary.

Well to exceed the GBE of a sun size star it takes around 1e41j

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Well to exceed the GBE of a sun size star it takes around 1e41j