Ok its time we end this discussion how Halo and the other light based characters were able to destroy black lanterns. First though is the notion that The ray destroyed black lanterns which is not true
All ray did was to destroy the bodies of zombies
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Thanks to zopzop I now know the importance of wikipedia and thus I was able to know how she destroyed those lanterns. She uses emotional spectrum and her power source is something like emotional entities
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo_(comics)
Even then her powers were completely in-effective against Katana's children in beginning
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Then she comes back and without any explanation takes out the same zombies who previously shrugged of her attacks.
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I say PIS. It can also be said that she had emotional ties to those children as she was a ward of Katana in her teens.
She broke the ring of Terra after she removed it from her hand which should be impossible as shown in the main mini!!!
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Originally posted by Horrificus
Obviously. And, what I read was wrong.
Right now there r 2 threads going on involving Black Lantern Kal-L.
One has him against Thor and the other has him against the Keeper.
Now, honestly, I don't even care about ANY of these characters.
BUT...
I have read all the books involving them and I do care about facts being ignored or dismissed out of fanboyism. I am more arguing for the facts than I am for the characters.
All these characters are total "cheese".
Thor is a cheese character in the way that he has been shown, at one point or another, to be able to do almost anything he wants. Not just strength feats, but manipulation of almost ANY kind of power, "mystical" and "real-space".
The big argument there was that I was wrong and he cannot do this. Until I posted a list of actual feats, with the book issues listed.
Then, that was called Bullshit. Somehow. I am not sure how you look at an actual list and call it bullshit, but that is what happened.
Then, there is the argument that the Black Ring power isn't "mystical" in nature, so Thor wouldn't be able to manipulate it.
Pretty much, anything that is posted just gets ignored or denied.
The Keeper is serious "cheese" with powers that are just way over the top for a non-abstract entity. Anybody that has followed both Surfer and Quasar knows that they are much more powerful and have much higher-potential than is usually granted to them in the boards.
The Keeper, the same situation. Basically, the Keeper can control ANY energy in the universe. Period. THAT is his power-set. Without even going into how powerful he is with the combination of unlimited use of the Power Cosmic WITH the use of the Quantum Bands.
Eon, the creator and master of the Quantum Bands is even an Abstract in charge of LIFE in the universe.
As someone put it, "Protecting the Celestial Axis (the pattern of life energy threading through the universe).
Yet, supposedly, he STILL has no dominion over White Light or Life?
Just remember your stances here. They may come back to haunt you. 😄
Personally, I think Kal-L is powerful enough to give either of them a run for their money on his own. What I am attacking here, is the Black Ring power.
The Black Ring is the key to this version of Kal-L. And, Thor and Keeper ARE equipped to counter it.
And, if they can drop the ring, what happens to Black Lantern Kal-L?
Horrificus,
First, I don't care about Thor here because this isn't a Thor thread. But since you brought it up, you showed a scan of Thor bathing Darkoth in white light and call that evidence, even though it's been proven that white light does jack shit. Then you give a lot of instances of Mjolnir absorbing energy, which has no relevance to replicating the white light of creation. You call that proof? That's bullshit.
Back to this thread...
You've completely missed the point of Blackest Night. It isn't about energy or light, it's about emotion and emotion being the stuff of life itself. Surfer may be able to control energy, but he isn't recreating the [u]emotional spectrum[/i] to create the white light of creation. Maybe he can against some opponents, but not against Kal-L whom he has no ties to.
Not so sure about that. It's been shown on several occasions, including during Blackest Night, that the Emotional Spectrum, while "unique", can be manipulated by EM Spectrum users, as well as historically, EM energy sources being used to energize a ring. I think it's kind of a "Unified Field Theory" analog where the Emotional Spectrum derives from certain frequencies of psionic/life energy which is interchangable/related with all energy since it all has the same source, and I think the new approach to the Firestorm Matrix is playing into that as well.
That said, no real opinion on the match.
Originally posted by MF DELPH
Not so sure about that. It's been shown on several occasions, including during Blackest Night, that the Emotional Spectrum, while "unique", can be manipulated by EM Spectrum users
But those EM Spectrum users, in Blackest Night, were shown to need to mix that energy with a range of emotions to kill the Black Lanterns, as was shown in Abhi's Dr. Light scans.
EM Spectrum energy was very specifically shown to be ineffective on it's own. It required Dr. Light (in that case) to be pushed by the resurrected Dr. Light (Arthur) into experiencing the range of emotions that make up the white light of creation.
@Cogito, Horrificus, abhilegend
It seems there's more to this white light stuff than merely producing it.
I looked back at that Weird Western Tales Blackest Night Tie In with Ray and it looks like he merely buried them alive under rubble by his AoE blast.
Any time a white light attack destroys a BL an odd message "Connection Severed" pops up on panel. This wasn't there when Ray let out his AoE white light blast, this makes me think the BLs were NOT dead just buried under tons of rubble (and all the BLs from that arc were just regular humans/peak humans reanimated by the Black Rings and would have no way of escaping all that debris). Even prior to this all he was doing was driving them back with his attacks yet they kept coming.
Also when these white light attacks destroyed a BL it seems there is at least one person present that had an emotion attachment/tie to the BL in question : Dr. Light and male Dr. Light, Kal-l and Powergirl, etc..
So I take it back I don't think that the Keeper can reproduce this white light attack.
Originally posted by zopzop
@Cogito, Horrificus, abhilegendIt seems there's more to this white light stuff than merely producing it.
I looked back at that Weird Western Tales Blackest Night Tie In with Ray and it looks like he merely buried them alive under rubble by his AoE blast.
Any time a white light attack destroys a BL an odd message "Connection Severed" pops up on panel. This wasn't there when Ray let out his AoE white light blast, this makes me think the BLs were NOT dead just buried under tons of rubble (and all the BLs from that arc were just regular humans/peak humans reanimated by the Black Rings and would have no way of escaping all that debris). Even prior to this all he was doing was driving them back with his attacks yet they kept coming.
Also when these white light attacks destroyed a BL it seems there is at least one person present that had an emotion attachment/tie to the BL in question : Dr. Light and male Dr. Light, Kal-l and Powergirl, etc..
So I take it back I don't think that the Keeper can reproduce this white light attack.
Originally posted by CogitoWow. What a smart guy.
Horrificus,First, I don't care about Thor here because this isn't a Thor thread. But since you brought it up, you showed a scan of Thor bathing Darkoth in white light and call that evidence, even though it's been proven that white light does jack shit. Then you give a lot of instances of Mjolnir absorbing energy, which has no relevance to replicating the white light of creation. You call that proof? That's bullshit.
Back to this thread...
You've completely missed the point of Blackest Night. It isn't about energy or light, it's about emotion and emotion being the stuff of life itself. Surfer may be able to control energy, but he isn't recreating the emotional spectrum[/i] to create the white light of creation. Maybe he can against some opponents, but not against Kal-L whom he has no ties to.
I now admit that I was wro... Hey! Wait a minute. Some new evidence has been handed to me!
Yup. Somebody has supplied me with some support. Finally! 😄
Originally posted by Cogito
Pretty sure 5 Black Lantern rings wouldn't make him any better? We'll never know.[/b]I might also be willing to entertain the possibility of Thanos' avatar of Death status being able to do affect a Black Lantern.
This fight depends on it. I'm not sure he can, but I can't say he can't, so maybe he could 😕
What an idiot. You guys are so full of crap. 🙄
Keeper is the "Avatar of Life", with a full battery of emotions and the tools to do the job.
My argument stands. Keeper using White Light with the power granted to him as avatar, by the Abstract Entity Representing Life.
FTW.
Originally posted by Cogito
Horrificus,First, I don't care about Thor here because this isn't a Thor thread. But since you brought it up, you showed a scan of Thor bathing Darkoth in white light and call that evidence, even though it's been proven that white light does jack shit. Then you give a lot of instances of Mjolnir absorbing energy, which has no relevance to replicating the white light of creation. You call that proof? That's bullshit.
Relax there "skipper". No need to get your superman underoos in a bunch...
Originally posted by Horrificus
The white light attack on Darkoth was a joke. You would have known that if you weren't UPSET about this comic book post. 😄Last edited by Horrificus on Today at 02:37 AM
Originally posted by Horrificus
Wow. What a smart guy.
My apologies Cogito. I guess I was feelin' goofy when I stated that Keeper's powers, along with his status as "Eon's Life Boy", would work against the Black Ring.I now admit that I was wro... Hey! Wait a minute. Some new evidence has been handed to me!
Yup. Somebody has supplied me with some support. Finally! 😄
What an idiot. You guys are so full of crap. 🙄
Keeper is the "Avatar of Life", with a full battery of emotions and the tools to do the job.
My argument stands. Keeper using White Light with the power granted to him as avatar, by the Abstract Entity Representing Life.
FTW.
Horrificus, when was the Keeper called the "Avatar of Life"? The only person that went by that title, that I'm aware of, was Drax during the Thanos Imperative.
Originally posted by zopzopDrax was "an" avatar of life. Simply for opposing Thanos.
Horrificus, when was the Keeper called the "Avatar of Life"? The only person that went by that title, that I'm aware of, was Drax during the Thanos Imperative.
It was not an actual title and he did not act on behalf of the Universal Abstract Entity that represents Life. That is Eon.
Eon is in charge of "Life" in the universe. Protecting it, keeping it going, fighting threats to it. That is his role.
This goes all the way back to Eon's first appearance in Captain Marvel, 1973 and continues until now.
In books it has been described many ways:
-The offspring of Eternity, the personification of the life force of the universe.
-Eon has been given the responsibility to insure that conditions in the cosmos remain amenable to life.
-Eon, was charged with protecting the Celestial Axis (the pattern of life energy threading through the universe, known to the Asgardians as the World Tree, Yggdrasil) and nurturing the evolution of sentient life of the universe.
He chooses a Protector. That protector is Eon's Champion/avatar/agent.
Whether the word "avatar" is used or not, the "Protector" is the front man for the Abstract that represents Life. Period.
Keeper is the "Champion of Life" and "Protector of the Universe".
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Eon is Mentor to the Universal Protector.
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Originally posted by Horrificus
Drax was "an" avatar of life. Simply for opposing Thanos.It was not an actual title and he did not act on behalf of the Universal Abstract Entity that represents Life. That is Eon.
Eon is in charge of "Life" in the universe. Protecting it, keeping it going, fighting threats to it. That is his role.
This goes all the way back to Eon's first appearance in Captain Marvel, 1973 and continues until now.
In books it has been described many ways:
-The offspring of Eternity, the personification of the life force of the universe.
-Eon has been given the responsibility to insure that conditions in the cosmos remain amenable to life.
-Eon, was charged with protecting the Celestial Axis (the pattern of life energy threading through the universe, known to the Asgardians as the World Tree, Yggdrasil) and nurturing the evolution of sentient life of the universe.
He chooses a Protector. That protector is Eon's Champion/avatar/agent.
Whether the word "avatar" is used or not, the "Protector" is the front man for the Abstract that represents Life. Period.
Keeper is the "Champion of Life" and "Protector of the Universe".
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q253/ArealSTUPIguy/Keeper2.jpgEon is Mentor to the Universal Protector.
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Originally posted by Horrificus
Drax was "an" avatar of life. Simply for opposing Thanos.It was not an actual title and he did not act on behalf of the Universal Abstract Entity that represents Life. That is Eon.
Eon is in charge of "Life" in the universe. Protecting it, keeping it going, fighting threats to it. That is his role.
This goes all the way back to Eon's first appearance in Captain Marvel, 1973 and continues until now.
In books it has been described many ways:
-The offspring of Eternity, the personification of the life force of the universe.
-Eon has been given the responsibility to insure that conditions in the cosmos remain amenable to life.
-Eon, was charged with protecting the Celestial Axis (the pattern of life energy threading through the universe, known to the Asgardians as the World Tree, Yggdrasil) and nurturing the evolution of sentient life of the universe.
He chooses a Protector. That protector is Eon's Champion/avatar/agent.
Whether the word "avatar" is used or not, the "Protector" is the front man for the Abstract that represents Life. Period.
Keeper is the "Champion of Life" and "Protector of the Universe".
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q253/ArealSTUPIguy/Keeper2.jpgEon is Mentor to the Universal Protector.
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Yes but Eon is not an abstract or concept representing "life" or "the life force". He's an abstract that represents "time".
And the Keeper isn't an Avatar of Life in the same way Drax is, or even in any way period. That "Champion of Life" title was meant to contrast his role with finding non inhabited worlds with Galactus' need to feast on living worlds. It's not a station of power or authority, it was just him comparing/contrasting his role in the new Galactus/Keeper partnership.
Originally posted by zopzopWrong. Time is one responsibility. The vast majority of Eon's appearances involve his other appointed responsibility. In charge of Life, nurturing, protecting, etc.
Yes but Eon is not an abstract or concept representing "life" or "the life force". He's an abstract that represents "time".And the Keeper isn't an Avatar of Life in the same way Drax is, or even in any way period. That "Champion of Life" title was meant to contrast his role with finding non inhabited worlds with Galactus' need to feast on living worlds. It's not a station of power or authority, it was just him comparing/contrasting his role in the new Galactus/Keeper partnership.
And, I'm not going to get into the argument of who was a real avatar of life. Nobody appointed Drax as anything. It was just alluded to by non-abstract level characters.
Keeper belonged to Eon.
Sigh... I'll get the scans...
Cogito, look above your post, at the post from Zozop. THAT is how "adults" debate or converse about subjects. Not by hurling insults and accusations without any basis in fact.
Originally posted by CogitoBut Keeper was APPOINTED by an Abstract Entity.
Half the heroes in comics have been described as a "Protector of Life" or "Champion of Life" at some point.Until they have feats that indicate some special power to go with the title, it's just words, so please stop trolling.
The same way that Thanos was appointed by Death as hers.
You are the one trolling. You have no evidence of ANYTHING, but continue to disagree and shoot down anything that doesn't go along with your view, regardless of scans or statements.
Watch your accusations. Disagreeing with you is nothing but a sign that I know what I am talking about.
You have done nothing but show that you have NOT read books outside of your narrow line of favorites. If you haven't read the books, you are simply proving that you are an idiot when you deny what was actually in them.
Be silent until you read a few.
Eon, with Quasar and in that short arc, the Keeper, have been official Protectors of the Universe, Life and Time for decades in the Marvel Universe.
If you don't know that, I suggest you do some reading. But, until you do, stop slinging insults and shooting down facts out of nothing but ignorance.
Go bully some newbies. You picked the wrong forum member to pull this crap on. 😉
