Originally posted by zopzopIt's not an important part of my argument, whether Keeper really is an equal to Galactus or not. I am one of those people that think Galactus gets low-balled too often and is a much bigger threat than most members think in here.
Horrificus, they were NOT anywhere near equals. I can prove this. Later during their final encounter, a HUNGRY Galactus WTFpwned Keeper and I can prove this with scans.
The point is, for a single character to best Galactus so easily, even a weakened one, it is quite a feat.
To best him easily, even a weakened Galactus, that is a serious feat.
Then, to have the power to be able to bring Galactus back up to full power, that is an awesome feat.
These are feats that Kal-L could not do.
Keeper was trained retrained by a Watcher to make full use of the bands and to have full control of the Power Cosmic with no third party.
This is also huge.
This information PLUS the FACT that there is no evidence to show that the Quantum bands would not be able to tap and control the Lantern Rings.
There are all kinds of examples of ways that the rings have been manipulated, tricked or flat out destroyed. They are NOT "fail-safe" weapons. A character like the Keeper would be able to duplicate any of the methods that the rings have been beaten before.
On top of it all, the Keeper is just a kick ass character with full control of powers that were originally handed to him by 2 Universal Abstract Entities. He would have more than enough power to obliterate Kal-L.
Full Control of the Power Cosmic + Full Control of All Non-Mystical Energy in the Universe = A Crushed Black Lantern Kal-L
Originally posted by Horrificus
It's not an important part of my argument, whether Keeper really is an equal to Galactus or not. I am one of those people that think Galactus gets low-balled too often and is a much bigger threat than most members think in here.The point is, for a single character to best Galactus so easily, even a weakened one, it is quite a feat.
To best him easily, even a weakened Galactus, that is a serious feat.
Then, to have the power to be able to bring Galactus back up to full power, that is an awesome feat.
These are feats that Kal-L could not do.
Keeper was trained retrained by a Watcher to make full use of the bands and to have full control of the Power Cosmic with no third party.
This is also huge.This information PLUS the FACT that there is no evidence to show that the Quantum bands would not be able to tap and control the Lantern Rings.
There are all kinds of examples of ways that the rings have been manipulated, tricked or flat out destroyed. They are NOT "fail-safe" weapons. A character like the Keeper would be able to duplicate any of the methods that the rings have been beaten before.
On top of it all, the Keeper is just a kick ass character with full control of powers that were originally handed to him by 2 Universal Abstract Entities. He would have more than enough power to obliterate Kal-L.
[b]Full Control of the Power Cosmic + Full Control of All Non-Mystical Energy in the Universe = A Crushed Black Lantern Kal-L
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He was not merely "weakened" he stated he's NEVER gone this long without eating in his entire billions of years of existence.
And here is a hungry Galactus vs the Keeper :
That's the very definition of having one's "sh|t pushed in". Keeper is nowhere near Galactus' level, even if Galactus is hungry. At best he's a translevel being.
Regarding Keeper vs BL Superman, I already said he'd win by reproducing 'white light' and pwning him. Or stopping time and BFRing him.
Originally posted by zopzopHey! That's all Great Zop! 🙄
He was not merely "weakened" he stated he's NEVER gone this long without eating in his entire billions of years of existence.And here is a hungry Galactus vs the Keeper :
That's the very definition of having one's "sh|t pushed in". Keeper is nowhere near Galactus' level, even if Galactus is hungry. At best he's a translevel being.Regarding Keeper vs BL Superman, I already said he'd win by reproducing 'white light' and pwning him. Or stopping time and BFRing him.
Maybe you didn't read what I wrote to you. Or, did you confuse me with somebody that is actually arguing with you about Keeper being equal to G?
Hey, remember this?
Originally posted by Horrificus
[B]It's not an important part of my argument, whether Keeper really is an equal to Galactus or not. I am one of those people that think Galactus gets low-balled too often and is a much bigger threat than most members think in here.
Well, the important thing here, is that you feel GOOD about yourself!
Feel free to purge any time.
Originally posted by Horrificus
Hey! That's all Great Zop! 🙄Maybe you didn't read what I wrote to you. Or, did you confuse me with somebody that is actually arguing with you about Keeper being equal to G?
Hey, remember this?
Well, the important thing here, is that you feel GOOD about yourself!
Feel free to purge any time.
😉
Originally posted by Horrificus
"EM Spectrum"? How is Wiki doing? Read much Wiki? Hey, you have a little Wiki on your chin.
Man. I have met some goofy debaters on here, but at least they seemed to know a lot about both sides.
You are just making it up as you go.
That's zopzop's way of reading, not mine. But nice try.
"Back peddling"? If the white light is part of the existing spectrum of energy in the universe, the Quantum Bands can definitely control it. And, the Surfer, on his own, would have a good chance of doing it also.
Prove that with feats of quasar or surfer doing something like simulating the primal light of creation. That kind of reasoning doesn't fly here.
On-the-fly, Quasar was able to analyze and shut down a Watcher's power.
Congrats, rulk absorbed the powers of a watcher too.
That is their power profile. Period. It is up to you to show that the power, for some reason, is not part of the energy they control.
Power profiles mean squat, feats are what matter here.
If the books are filled with the proof and the statements, you have to show that your argument falls outside of the proven evidence.
You have to prove first that emotional energy falls in the same category as quasar can control. This no limit fallacy doesn't work in comics. Captain atom has the power of entire quantum field too, he has created and destroyed an entire universe in quantum field. That doesn't mean he can control every form of energy.
Now, if Keeper can control ALL existing energy in the universe, besides magical power, why do you say that he cannot control the sources of energy wielded by these lanterns?
You have to prove that first. Just quoting power profiles and such things aren't proof enough or do you really think that hulk is the strongest being in the multiverse?
And, on top of that, if the Keeper is an equal to Galactus, why is he defeated by Kal-L?
Kal-l killed anti monitor with his fists. You think keeper is above anti monitor?
The powers that the Black and White Lanterns wield are not Magical and they are not
Prove it.
Originally posted by Dream Stuff
It's hard to make a direct comparison due to A) both things being unprecedented in real science and B) one thing being nonsense. You can't "blow out" a star as though it were literally on fire. You'd pretty much need toonforce to pull that off.So while, on the one hand, a star is a much bigger handful than a city, simple "extinguishment" is a much easier act than teleportation. Your mileage may vary.
Originally posted by abhilegend
That's zopzop's way of reading, not mine. But nice try.Prove that with feats of quasar or surfer doing something like simulating the primal light of creation. That kind of reasoning doesn't fly here.
Sometimes wikipedia and google work wonders.
Here is Dr. Light destroying Black Lanterns using "White Light" :
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/36950/1248247-dr.light__1_.jpg
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/36950/1245456-untitled_10.jpg
Why couldn't the Q-bands, that give the wielder total control over the EM Spectrum, do something like this. Hell Surfer by himself could do this.
Originally posted by zopzop
Sometimes wikipedia and google work wonders.Here is Dr. Light destroying Black Lanterns using "White Light" :
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/36950/1248247-dr.light__1_.jpg
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/36950/1245456-untitled_10.jpgWhy couldn't the Q-bands, that give the wielder total control over the EM Spectrum, do something like this. Hell Surfer by himself could do this.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Zombie fodders. And you can't transfer feats from one charcter to another anyway. Dr light staggered anti monitor too when heroes from five earths couldn't. You think that surfer can do that?
Has nothing to do with fodder or feat transfers. Her powers are light based. She's not a mystic is she? The Quantum Bands FOR SURE can do anything she does and then some. Surfer could too.
The BLs are the second most overhyped characters in comics.
Originally posted by zopzop
Has nothing to do with fodder or feat transfers. Her powers are light based. She's not a mystic is she? The Quantum Bands FOR SURE can do anything she does and then some. Surfer could too.The BLs are the second most overhyped characters in comics.
Kal-L never showed any weakness to white light anyway. If he was that easily dispatched, mr terrific doesn't have to combine alan scott and dr fate's energies to destroy him. They can do anything she can? I doubt that
Originally posted by abhilegend
Kal-L never showed any weakness to white light anyway. If he was that easily dispatched, mr terrific doesn't have to combine alan scott and dr fate's energies to destroy him. They can do anything she can? I doubt that
Those are Crisis era scans. What's she done recently that compares to that? But all this is just a distraction anyway.
"White Light" wrecks Black Lanterns. Halo, Dr. Light, and the Ray all used regular old "white light" to wtfpwn BLs. There's nothing magical or spiritual about it.
Anyone capable of producing said effect would likewise pwn BLs. The Quantum Bands for sure could do it, so could the Surfer.
Originally posted by zopzop
Those are Crisis era scans. What's she done recently that compares to that? But all this is just a distraction anyway."White Light" wrecks Black Lanterns. Halo, Dr. Light, and the Ray all used regular old "white light" to wtfpwn BLs. There's nothing magical or spiritual about it.
Anyone capable of producing said effect would likewise pwn BLs. The Quantum Bands for sure could do it, so could the Surfer.
Compare zoom vs new earth superman
Originally posted by Stoic
I have a question. Why wouldn't the bright light trick work on BL Kal L, but would work on all of the other Black Lanterns?
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/10.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/12.jpg
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http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/16-17.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/19.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/22.jpg
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http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/DC/26.jpg
This is all from the same issue where Dr. light destroyed those black lanterns, clearly PIS. How would the story end if nobody could destroy black lanterns, so Dr. Light in a heroic burst destroyed the same lanterns who were shrugging off their attacks previously.
