Originally posted by ODG
The term, "multiverse," is a very loaded term. There's story arcs that have used it differently.Nobody disagrees that a multiverse is a set of alternate universes. But I've seen it used to also describe (i) every single alternate universe (omniverse, essentially), (ii) every single alternate universe that stems from a single prime universe, or (iii) a single universe that happens to consist of multiple layers of dimensional planes/realities (quantum zone, crimson cosmos, hyperspace, Dreamtime, etc.) -- and is only called "multiverse" because the term universe denotes normally traversable space and doesn't account for all the dimensional layers or pocket realities that are contained in a single, fully-formed universe/reality/continuity.
I think in arguments like this, or any time the term "countless universes," "all dimensions," "all reality," etc., gets used, it better be 100% damn clear that the storyline involves alternate realities/universes. Crisis on Infinite Earths, Final Crisis, Abraxas, Masters of Doom are examples.
If it's not clearly involving fully alternate realities/universes, then phuck it, the story is probably universal in scope. No matter how often a loaded term like "multiverse" or "universes" gets thrown about.
And for me, Chaos War falls in that category. There's an argument that Chaos King ate the multiverse, sure... but it isn't a strong argument. If Chaos King really did do all that, the comics did a damn good job of hiding it while only hinting at it. And considering the number of tie-ins -- some that even speak to Chaos King's rise to power -- it's really doubtful that he ate Earths 1345, 234677, 123587 and 9999 and countless others... all off-panel. That's just typically not how comic stories are told.
This is spot on and one of the main reasons why Lucifer's "Creation" is without, a shadow of a doubt, a true multiverse. The Naglfar storyline in the series involved actual parallel universes, with an alternate version of one of the characters involved in said storyline(Cas) interacting with the , with it being all but stated on-panel that these realities constituted Yahweh's creation. Since Lucifer's(and by extension Elaine's) creation is clearly equivalent to Yahweh's in every way, shape and form, therefore it too is logically a multiverse.
Since your criteria for a cosmic-scale feat to be multiveral is now fulfilled on Lucifer's part, it's hard to deny that Lucifer's feat being multiversal in scope is unambiguously true.
