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One step at a time I think, boys. Amalgams is cool idea, but at the moment it still seems like there's about 6-8 of us doing all the talking/competing/etc. with this.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Judging by how people treat him on the forums, Ozymandius would be low street. I'd still argue for him 😠

Anyone with skill is at least mid street. Ozy would never be low in the old tiers thread. In a no-prep scenario, the more in-shape members of KMC could legitimate challenge and beat many low streets. Low street was basically any major character without skills or fighting prowess. When I said Jarvis and Penguin I wasn't actually joking...I think those two were listed. And Ozy would obviously destroy them in a no-prep scenario. If there were a match, it would probably be a tightrope act of looking for those with some skill, but not enough to be considered an MA'er. Non-A-list streets with legit skill were in mid, like Deadshot.

Originally posted by Digi
One step at a time I think, boys. Amalgams is cool idea, but at the moment it still seems like there's about 6-8 of us doing all the talking/competing/etc. with this.

that's true, but maybe amalgams would bring in more interested parties. whatever it takes to get people to want to compete imo is a good thing.

I hate amalgams, so I guess I'm out. 🙁

Originally posted by leonidas
that's true, but maybe amalgams would bring in more interested parties. whatever it takes to get people to want to compete imo is a good thing.

Maybe. But are there really uninterested people now who will suddenly jump at amalgams? I don't know that this is something we have any data for. Or cases like Pr...

Originally posted by -Pr-
I hate amalgams, so I guess I'm out. 🙁

Well, no. Because it was just an idea thrown out there. We're still on individual characters for the foreseeable future.

In other words: get yo ass in a match!

uhuh

Amalgams and individuals will be competing for separate belts, no reason why it would effect anyone who doesn't want to compete in that scenario.

I personally wouldn't mind an amalgam belt, but I'd like to at least get one street level belt claimed before that route.

To that end, I'd also personally rather have a tag team belt before an amalgam one, too.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Amalgams and individuals will be competing for separate belts, no reason why it would effect anyone who doesn't want to compete in that scenario.

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I don't see it as a problem as long as two people agree to tier.

Amalgam sounds fine honestly

Tag team belt? Wut?

Blair and I challenge err'body.

If there are any active challengers for any belt (vacant or not), I'd like to know so I can organize a Champions & Contenders thread over the next few days.

Mid-Herald Champion: Existere (representing God Cable)
High-Meta Champion: Digi (representing Luke Skywalker)

Concerning Amalgamated Title Bouts: I'm okay with it if it draws in people, which it seems to have done or at least sparked some interest. Each tier (Street, Meta, Herald) will have contestants creating a character from each respective level for the tier they're competing in (Low, Mid, and High). The combined amalgam's power cap shouldn't exceed one full "bump" tier wise than the actual tier contestants are competing in.

Example: An amalgamated Street level character shouldn't, in total power/capability, be significantly more powerful than a Meta level character. A Meta Amalgam shouldn't be more powerful than a herald and a Herald Amalgam shouldn't be more powerful than a trans-tiered character. Obviously, some power combinations will rock the boat and clever picks should be rewarded to a degree without outright shattering power caps, so it will be to the hosts discretion (such as myself 😉 ) as well as consensus from peers within reason.

Amalgams not exceeding the teir of their components defeats the purpose of the idea.

The whole point of amalgamating characters is to increase each components ability far beyond their norm.

Originally posted by Scoobless
Amalgams not exceeding the teir of their components defeats the purpose of the idea.

The whole point of amalgamating characters is to increase each components ability far beyond their norm.

I have no problem with a Street Amalgam being equal to a Meta level character. If you're combining a low/mid/high Street, the end result shouldn't go beyond Meta, period. Same rule of thumb applies to Meta and Herald level amalgams. There's no way a Street Amalgam should be equal to a Herald leveler, though.

I ....um ..... agree.

Kinda posted without finishing reading your whole post.

So. ...... good job.

Carry on.

😐

😛 No worries.

In any case, I don't want to punish people for being creative, but the general spirit of the amalgam should be in the range of the tier picked for competition.

That's a hard rule to enforce though. I bet there's meta amalgams that could be Trans. level, and it's a blurry line. You also start having to worry about the more niche powers like summoning and duplication, which become much more prevalent in such meshes.

If someone wants to do a match with them, great. Personally, I don't think lack of amalgams is keeping participants at bay, and we only have 2 belts locked up atm.

srug

Originally posted by Existere
Tag team belt? Wut?

Blair and I challenge err'body.

😂

Sure. That works too. 👆

Originally posted by Digi
Personally, I don't think lack of amalgams is keeping participants at bay, and we only have 2 belts locked up atm.

srug

It's keeping me away as a participant. I've been tempted to join in regardless, but I'm much more inclined to do an amalgam match than a lone character match.

But I'm probably in the minority in that regard. And I'll probably still compete at some point.

Originally posted by Digi
That's a hard rule to enforce though. I bet there's meta amalgams that could be Trans. level, and it's a blurry line. You also start having to worry about the more niche powers like summoning and duplication, which become much more prevalent in such meshes.

If someone wants to do a match with them, great. Personally, I don't think lack of amalgams is keeping participants at bay, and we only have 2 belts locked up atm.

srug

I have a hard time thinking of how a Low + Mid + High Meta combination would equal a Trans level being. Maybe I'm just not creative enough, though lol.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I have a hard time thinking of how a Low + Mid + High Meta combination would equal a Trans level being. Maybe I'm just not creative enough, though lol.

yeah, that would be a challenge to come up with but digi's point is well taken--part of the reason people WANT amalgams is to try and make them uber. by trying to limit them as you were suggesting takes some of the fun out of them. imo people should be able to create whatever level their creativity would allow, so long as the 3 base characters are within the tier.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I have a hard time thinking of how a Low + Mid + High Meta combination would equal a Trans level being. Maybe I'm just not creative enough, though lol.

It's not easy, but it's possible. Blair's Jubilee + Gene "Unlocker" combo in a past tourney was something he argued as having high-level matter manip. powers that put anyone outside of maybe Surfer to shame at HH or lower. And that's before a 3rd member of the amalgam. I've also seen theories of 2 low-to-mid heralds that, when combined, represent what can only be described as abstract-level power. I don't want to reveal the exact idea, because it was told me with the expectation that I wouldn't share it. But such combos exist, at least in theory (Blair lost, and the other is untested in tourneys).

And, as leo said, it's as much the principle as individual amalgams. You could ban certain powers (like the aforementioned duplication) to make it more fair, but setting an overall limit is a recipe for disaster.

Fair enough. 👆

I'll likely have a ban on certain powers like most BZ tournaments, but if someone can successfully argue that their metas when combined equal something grossly OP'd, more power to them. 👆

As I said, I'm not entirely too creative when it comes to that format, but I do like reading the theories others come up with.