Originally posted by guy222
older than galactus 😄
Yup. There was debate as to what the whole "void before Creation" meant. But the writer made it clear as day in an interview :
http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/articles/chaos_war_interview
CosmicBookNews: Can you tell us a bit about the Chaos King? With the Silver Surfer and Galactus involved, he must pose a pretty big threat, more so than we have seen of him as Mikaboshi? (Chaos King being Mikaboshi‘s true form finally revealed?) Galactus is said to be from before the Big Bang. Does the Chaos King predate that and is that why Galactus takes notice?Fred Van Lente: Yes, you are correct – According to Japanese mythology, Amatsu-Mikaboshi is the Void that pre-dated all existence. All existence, even the universe that Galactus originates from. In his original, Terran form, he laid waste to Olympus and killed Zeus in the ARES mini-series.
Since then, and his departure from Earth in Secret Invasion, he has taken over the realm of the Skrull gods and has been engorging himself on the pantheons of other alien races – including the Shi’ar, as seen in Assault on New Olympus. So he is more powerful than ever before – arguably, he’s the most dire threat the Marvel Universe has ever faced.
Greg Pak: Most supervillains want to rule the world, or maybe the universe. Not return all existence to the chaos and darkness that existed before creation itself. The Chaos King is a whole new kind of threat.
Now for the stupidity, see the part that's underlined and the words thatare bold and italicized? LOL. Stupid Marvel fail.
Originally posted by zopzop
Yup. There was debate as to what the whole "void before Creation" meant. But the writer made it clear as day in an interview :
http://www.cosmicbooknews.com/articles/chaos_war_interviewNow for the stupidity, see the part that's underlined and the words thatare bold and italicized? LOL. Stupid Marvel fail.
"Fred Van Lente: Yes, you are correct – According to Japanese mythology, Amatsu-Mikaboshi is the Void that pre-dated all existence."
So according to Japanese myth...
And yet this all powerful being was previously defeated by Japanese gods and locked away by them. Eternity compared himself to chaos king also. And yet eternity has been humbled how many countless times?
In the end ck was defeated by being tossed into a single universe.
I know you love spinning these quotes over and over again but seriously. You even throw out misinformation like the multiversal quotes while trying to ignore all the universal ones.
And eternity didn't even bother trying to stop ck. death fled indicating there was somewhere to escape to... Meaning ck wasn't all powerful. Hercules who was empowered by things that previously would have made someone a sky father and later granted wisdom by Gaea was able to be powerful enough to reverse everything ck did.
Assuming for a second the plot devices of being a sky father then combined with Gaea would have made Hercules a multiversal being? When Gaea herself wouldn't be one? Or any of the sky fathers?
.... Those plot holes or so big you can ride an 18 wheeler through them.
You do release again that every time you point to that quote all you really do is prove that chaos king is meant to represent the aspect of te void.... It doesn't prove he is that powerful?
Originally posted by rotiart
"Fred Van Lente: Yes, you are correct – According to Japanese mythology, Amatsu-Mikaboshi is the Void that pre-dated all existence."So according to Japanese myth...
And yet this all powerful being was previously defeated by Japanese gods and locked away by them. Eternity compared himself to chaos king also. And yet eternity has been humbled how many countless times?
In the end ck was defeated by being tossed into a single universe.
Yup, take it up with Marvel for allowing stupidity like that to see print.
I know you love spinning these quotes over and over again but seriously. You even throw out misinformation like the multiversal quotes while trying to ignore all the universal ones.
I have no clue what you are talking about. I even said it's ambiguous with both sides (multi/universal) having valid arguments.
And eternity didn't even bother trying to stop ck. death fled indicating there was somewhere to escape to... Meaning ck wasn't all powerful.
Hercules who was empowered by things that previously would have made someone a sky father and later granted wisdom by Gaea was able to be powerful enough to reverse everything ck did.Assuming for a second the plot devices of being a sky father then combined with Gaea would have made Hercules a multiversal being? When Gaea herself wouldn't be one? Or any of the sky fathers?
According to that arc, Gaea was the first thing to spring forth from the Void. Not Eternity, not Death, not the Phoenix Force.............Gaea! This appears to be a complete retcon of her origin as the Demiurge wasn't even mentioned.
Regarding Herc and his amp, apparently those four items Cho used to create the Super God Powers really does elevate one to High Abstract level of power. Again, take it up with Marvel for allowing stupidity such as this to see print.
.... Those plot holes or so big you can ride an 18 wheeler through them.
Marvel................editors............stupid...............and lazy.
You do release again that every time you point to that quote all you really do is prove that chaos king is meant to represent the aspect of te void.... It doesn't prove he is that powerful? [
That quote wasn't meant to prove anything power wise, it was just confirming what Guy said, that CK predates ALL creation and is older than Galactus himself because he predates the previous universe that Galactus came from.
Okay zop then I'll limit the argument to the way I see it:
Ck being equivalent to a high level universal power....
Should still win against thanos with the cosmic cube...
Since cubes should have no limit to their power output in cube form... But do have a finite power sources... Kinda contradictory but let's take starlords burnt out cube as a clue and the great fears of red skull... As far as time as universal manipulations...
Eternity SHOULD win but... It's a hard argument to make if you consider his low feats and low end durability showings. Meh.
Originally posted by rotiart And yet this all powerful being was previously defeated by Japanese gods and locked away by them.
Well gods are powered by their worshippers.
Consider how many weeaboos there are nowadays 😆
EDIT: BTW the worst thing about Chaos War was when Cho suggested that Hercules could summon the Living Tribunal and he just gave an excuse of "Eh, I don't know the guy that well" or something... because he could have ended the whole thing right there if he had done so.
At the very least he should have tried and have LT give his usual line of "Sorry, not my problem, bye".
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Well gods are powered by their worshippers.Consider how many weeaboos there are nowadays 😆
Even this was retconned in Fear Itself (another steaming pile of Marvel shit! Apparently Gods aren't empowered by their worshipers (then why have them at all?!) and don't care if they are wiped out, they can just create more! 💃
EDIT: BTW the worst thing about Chaos War was when Cho suggested that Hercules could summon the Living Tribunal and he just gave an excuse of "Eh, I don't know the guy that well" or something... because he could have ended the whole thing right there if he had done so.At the very least he should have tried and have LT give his usual line of "Sorry, not my problem, bye".
That wasn't the worse thing about Chaos War, not even close. The COMPLETELY unnecessary Demiurge/Elder God retcon was. The next most idiotic thing was CHAOS King wanting to return Creation back to it's Void state (by absorbing everything into himself). Sit and think about why this makes NO sense for a being supposedly interested in Chaos. Then we have the fact that this uber being was imprisoned by the Kami yet turned around and WTFpwned them and EVERY other known pantheon in the universe. Then we have the fact that 4 mundane godly items can turn a being into a high end abstract! Screw you Infinity Gauntlet! I got ambrosia/golden apples/magic cup/magic scroll POWA! I can go on but you get the point.
There should be a new forum rule, just like alt reality versions of characters are off limits in VS debates, the entire clusterfxxk known as Chaos War should likewise be banned from VS threads.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
EDIT: BTW the worst thing about Chaos War was when Cho suggested that Hercules could summon the Living Tribunal and he just gave an excuse of "Eh, I don't know the guy that well" or something... because he could have ended the whole thing right there if he had done so.At the very least he should have tried and have LT give his usual line of "Sorry, not my problem, bye".