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Sersi: More useful ally than the Living Tribunal
^^^ 😆
The Chaos War also interrupts continuity across the board cosmically speaking.
It undermines Oblivion's role an established Marvel Concept. (on panel & bio certified)
Also ...
The Infinity Being according to documented (on panel) handbook corroborated history,
always was and had no beginning, and it is the reality Galactus came from.
So there's no "predation."
On top of that,
several characters (on panel) have brought all things to it's "pre-big bang" point,
with no problems when they got there,
and no Chaos King, or sentient void or Chaos anything anywhere around.
Meh, and said characters just as easily re-created everything from the nothingness.
Beyond all this, Abraxas is supposed to be Eternity's "anti-thesis"
so again this arc continues to shit all over continuity.
.......................................................
As for the thread ...
Thanos stomps.
CK is a bunch of hype, while the CCU has proven itself.
ck story was silly and that's for others to discuss
in regards to sersi, she was picked from the lacuna which should've been mentioned and guess who runs the lacuna
all writers write as they see fit
do i believe eternity can defeat the ck ✅
do i believe the chaos king is older than galactus hell ❌
do i believe the absolutes are a trillion years old hell ✅
its just preference friends
Originally posted by zopzopAccording to that arc, Gaea was the first thing to spring forth from the Void. Not Eternity, not Death, not the Phoenix Force.............Gaea! This appears to be a complete retcon of her origin as the Demiurge wasn't even mentioned.
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I think this is just a case of lazy writing.
Gaea says in the Chaos War comic that she was the 1st thing to form out of chaos. That can be interpreted in many different ways. The original chaos i.e the void before creation. Or the chaos that was the newly forming Earth. Given what we know about what Gaea is and all previous documentation with regards to her origin the latter would seem to be the case. Gaea's undisputed origin up until this point was that she was the 1st thing to form on Earth, before life, before the continents had taken, shape, before the newborn Earth had settled. Chaos in other words. There was no additional comments or reference to verify that the chaos she referred to was the void and not just the standard definition of chaos. Plus her further comments that she birthed the gods and was the source of all that they are matches up perfectly with her widely known origin pre Chaos War.
Nothing but lazy, ill-considered writing. Chaos War was sh*t 😬
Originally posted by Mr Master
^^^ 😆The Chaos War also interrupts continuity across the board cosmically speaking.
It undermines Oblivion's role an established Marvel Concept. (on panel & bio certified)
Also ...
The Infinity Being according to documented (on panel) handbook corroborated history,
always was and had no beginning, and it is the reality Galactus came from.So there's no "predation."
On top of that,
several characters (on panel) have brought all things to it's "pre-big bang" point,
with no problems when they got there,
and no Chaos King, or sentient void or Chaos anything anywhere around.Meh, and said characters just as easily re-created everything from the nothingness.
Beyond all this, Abraxas is supposed to be Eternity's "anti-thesis"
so again this arc continues to shit all over continuity........................................................
As for the thread ...
Thanos stomps.
CK is a bunch of hype, while the CCU has proven itself.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I think this is just a case of lazy writing.Gaea says in the Chaos War comic that she was the 1st thing to form out of chaos. That can be interpreted in many different ways. The original chaos i.e the void before creation. Or the chaos that was the newly forming Earth. Given what we know about what Gaea is and all previous documentation with regards to her origin the latter would seem to be the case. Gaea's undisputed origin up until this point was that she was the 1st thing to form on Earth, before life, before the continents had taken, shape, before the newborn Earth had settled. Chaos in other words. There was no additional comments or reference to verify that the chaos she referred to was the void and not just the standard definition of chaos. Plus her further comments that she birthed the gods and was the source of all that they are matches up perfectly with her widely known origin pre Chaos War.
Nothing but lazy, ill-considered writing. Chaos War was sh*t 😬
Team up?
Originally posted by Mr Master
^^^ 😆The Chaos War also interrupts continuity across the board cosmically speaking.
It undermines Oblivion's role an established Marvel Concept. (on panel & bio certified)
Also ...
The Infinity Being according to documented (on panel) handbook corroborated history,
always was and had no beginning, and it is the reality Galactus came from.So there's no "predation."
On top of that,
several characters (on panel) have brought all things to it's "pre-big bang" point,
with no problems when they got there,
and no Chaos King, or sentient void or Chaos anything anywhere around.Meh, and said characters just as easily re-created everything from the nothingness.
Beyond all this, Abraxas is supposed to be Eternity's "anti-thesis"
so again this arc continues to shit all over continuity........................................................
As for the thread ...
Thanos stomps.
CK is a bunch of hype, while the CCU has proven itself.
Im not sure i agree with this.
The Chaos King and what he represents is not the same thing as Oblivion. Very similar and easy to confuse in the same fashion as Phoenix and Eternity but there are clear differences.
The very definition of oblivion is the state or condition of being forgotten, or unknown.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/oblivion
Oblivion represents the conversion of that which exists into not existing within reality.
That is why the Ultimate Nullifier is tied with him in the sense that that when it wipes things out of existence, it sends it to Oblivions realm. Whereas a weapon which merely destroyed a being would send the being to Deaths realm.
Oblivion is not Chaos. Oblivion, the wiping out, or the conversion of that which exists into non existence requires there to 1st be reality, existence, so that his concept would have meaning or relevance.
The Chaos King represents the nothingness before creation, the unending black that is always there, the void.
I can see why people would get them confused.
The Infinity Being was retconned from a being that was all that is of reality, into a being that merely resided in reality and in support of that latest references refer to it drawing its power from the Big Bang. So the Chaos War arc does not contradict or undermine the I Being at all, its origin and nature were redefined long before.
As for your point about characters returning creation to the "pre-Big Bang point" and not having any trouble with Chaos King. Well isnt that a bit of a naive remark given that he has only recently created as a Marvel character in 2005 and his nature as the chaos before creation made continuity within the last 2 years. So obviously comics created before that time arent going to reference him. But since Marvel have now placed him within continuity we must accept that he was there. Simple 🙂
Originally posted by GalacticStormIm not sure i agree with this.
The Chaos King and what he represents is not the same thing as
Oblivion.The very definition of oblivion is the state or condition of being
forgotten, or unknown.WEBSTER- DICTIONARY
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/oblivion
Oblivion represents the conversion of that which exists into not existing within reality.
That is why the Ultimate Nullifier is tied with him in the sense that
that when it wipes things out of existence, it sends it to Oblivions
realm. Whereas a weapon which merely destroyed a being would
send the being to Deaths realm.Oblivion is not Chaos. Oblivion, the wiping out, or the conversion of
that which exists into non existence requires there to 1st be reality,
existence, so that his concept would have meaning or relevance.The Chaos King represents the nothingness before creation, the
unending black that is always there, the void.I can see why people would get them confused.
Anywho, none of that is true concerning Oblivion,
but I always enjoy how you re-define characters to fit these fallacies.
Well, you stick to "Webster's" dictionary to explain Marvel's character ... Oblivion. 😂
I'll stand with Marvel Comics to understand their character ... Oblivion.
Oblivion is the embodiment of nothingness,
even the nothingness that proceeded the Multiverse.
Bio certified as the "embodiment of nothingness"
(even references what Oblivion said about himself on panel)
That whole comedy about Oblivion being the transition,
and then using the UN as a means of logic is laughable, but creative.
Originally posted by GalacticStormThe Infinity Being was retconned from a being that was all that
is of reality, into a being that merely resided in reality and in
support of that latest references refer to it drawing its power from
the Big Bang. So the Chaos War arc does not contradict or
undermine the I Being at all, its origin and nature were redefined
long before.
Mephisto's 2010 bio still has the Infinity Being as the lone sentience of the Universe,
that killed itself due to its infinite solitude.
This is how Mephisto and all other sentient entities/beings were created in the beginning.
So,
I don't see the difference between the on panel account by Thanos & Mephisto
and Diana of the Ultraverse located in a separate Multiverse.
Nice try though.
Originally posted by GalacticStormAs for your point about characters returning creation to the "pre-
Big Bang point" and not having any trouble with Chaos King. Well
that a bit of a naive remark given that he has only recently created
as a Marvel character in 2005 and his nature as the chaos before
creation made continuity within the last 2 years. So obviously
comics created before that time arent going to reference him. But
since Marvel have now placed him within continuity we must accept
that he was there. Simple
On panel action supersedes on panel verbalized hyperbole.
That was the point you missed.
Originally posted by zopzop
That wasn't the worse thing about Chaos War, not even close. The COMPLETELY unnecessary Demiurge/Elder God retcon was.[/B]
I don't think Demiurge was really retconned.The name Demiurge has a meaning.Demiurge means "Creator" and in Plato's Timaeus(philosophical usage and the proper noun), written circa 360 BC, in which the Demiurge is presented as the creator of the universe.In Chaos War😘-men#1 and #2, the dead X-men were tasked to go to muir isle in order to awaken The One Above All.I've always stated that the One Above All in this story could be the Demiurge and that Muir isle might have been the place the Demiurge might have appeared.The Demiurge can be taken as an avatar of the true creator(TOAA) since the name also means "creator."
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The Most ancient and Primal spirit of the earth itself.
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The embodiments of creation itself.
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As for Gaea mentioning she was the first to emerge out of the Darkness and Chaos, Lets stop and think first on what was stated in Thor annual#10.It was stated that Earth itself emerge from the Void.The name of the Planet we live in is what Gaea maybe talking about since its obvious that she didn't create Planet Earth.She did birth the Gods after Demogorge pawned the other Elder Gods.And that's when Gaea became the spirit of the Earth.
Originally posted by zopzop
The next most idiotic thing was CHAOS King wanting to return Creation back to it's Void state (by absorbing everything into himself). Sit and think about why this makes NO sense for a being supposedly interested in Chaos. [/B]
http://www.ancientgreece.com/s/Mythology/#chaos
Chaos - in one ancient Greek myth of creation, the dark, silent abyss from which all things came into existence. According to the Theogony of Hesiod, Chaos generated the solid mass of Earth, from which arose the starry, cloud-filled Heaven. Mother Earth and Father Heaven, personified respectively as Gaea and her offspring Uranus, were the parents of the Titans. In a later theory, Chaos is the formless matter from which the cosmos, or harmonious order, was created.
This is were the name Chaos King is taken from.
Originally posted by zopzop
Then we have the fact that this uber being was imprisoned by the Kami yet turned around and WTFpwned them and EVERY other known pantheon in the universe. Then we have the fact that 4 mundane godly items can turn a being into a high end abstract! Screw you Infinity Gauntlet! I got ambrosia/golden apples/magic cup/magic scroll POWA! I can go on but you get the point.[/B]
The Amatsu-Kami might have imprisoned a Chaos King that was weakened after his fall from the cosmic hierarchy.The Chaos King in CW of course was on his way to regaining his power and place in the cosmic hierarchy.As for the SG Herc Vs CK, Chaos War😘-men answers the why Herc was able to go toe to toe with CK.
Originally posted by zopzop
There should be a new forum rule, just like alt reality versions of characters are off limits in VS debates, the entire clusterfxxk known as Chaos War should likewise be banned from VS threads. [/B]
😂
Originally posted by hunbu04Galactus was the last being of the previous universe and the first being of 616 universe but the CK predate Creation Itself,
meaning he existed before the big bang that started Galactus original universe.
The Infinity Being, which is supposed to be the previous Universe,
never had a beginning, always was ... so ...
... I don't know where these cats are pre-dating from. 😬
The only room for either of them is the nothingness before the first Big Bang,
which created current Eternity/Infinity & formed Galactus.
If they wanna share that spot that's fine.
Only problem is, that spot's been reached at-least 4 times on panel,
and neither of them were of any significance.
If they are the nothingness embodied
where Thanos/Genis-Entropy-Rick-Epiphany/Sise-Neg & AE-Reed reached,
then it's a pointless status/power to be/have since said characters were just fine
and in control within said nothingness.
... and in fact and indeed did re-create all reality without interruption or problem.
Originally posted by Mr Master
So did Oblivion according to the same type of information.The Infinity Being, which is supposed to be the previous Universe,
never had a beginning, always was ... so ...... I don't know where these cats are pre-dating from. 😬
The only room for either of them is the nothingness before the first Big Bang,
which created current Eternity/Infinity & formed Galactus.If they wanna share that spot that's fine.
Only problem is, that spot's been reached at-least 4 times on panel,
and neither of them were of any significance.If they are the nothingness embodied
where Thanos/Genis-Entropy-Rick-Epiphany/Sise-Neg & AE-Reed reached,
then it's a pointless status/power to be/have since said characters were just fine
and in control within said nothingness.... and in fact and indeed did re-create all reality without interruption or problem.
Or, you can say that they ****ed up, am I right?
