Satele is considerably powerful as of TOR, if this is that incarnation, but she's no match for Vitiate by herself. True, she's powerful; in Deceived, she's crushing bio-droids with a gesture, and at one point contains herself in a sealed bubble in the vacuum of space using only willpower. Maybe if Marek can last longer than thirty seconds against Vitiate's Force onslaught, they have a chance.
Or they get mentally crushed, gg.
If a duel were to occur, Satele and Marek stomp with truly negligible effort. As my distinguished antlered colleague indicates, Satele is powerful, but the trump card here is Marek, who outclasses Vitiate by several orders of magnitude in terms of power.
On the other hand, per TFU's novelization, Sidious psychically enthralled Marek until the connection was broken by Kota's intervention. It is feasible that Vitiate, whose telepathic powers are formidable, would be able to replicate said feat.
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Well he's clearly superior to Grandmaster Shan,
I don't play the game and therefore do not contest this.
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and a man I very much respect once said that Vitiate is one of the most powerful characters currently in Star Wars.
This man sounds either like the world's biggest homo or the embodiment of all that is right with the world. Yes, these are mutually exclusive and yes, if I said it, then it can only be the latter.
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His Lightning feats are superior to Marek's imo.
Vitiate's lightning obliterated a droid and overwhelmed Revan, as I recall. Marek has imploded the heads of rancors and destroyed AT-STs, hasn't it? The key to success with Vitiate is preparation; he overwhelmed Revan because Revan allowed him to gather his lightning. I'm not certain the obscenely aggressive Marek would make that mistake.
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I just don't think Marek can beat him before he becomes his mindthrall.
The poster, in his divine brilliance, acknowledged this possibility. But that doesn't mean Vitiate is more powerful than Marek.
Originally posted by MewlingQuim
I don't play the game and therefore do not contest this.
You don't need to play the game. She does ****-all the entire time except getting trapped in a planet-sized bug-zapper at one point.
Originally posted by MewlingQuim
This man sounds either like the world's biggest homo or the embodiment of all that is right with the world. Yes, these are mutually exclusive and yes, if I said it, then it can only be the latter.
Well thats odd. I thought it was Gideon. But if its mutaully exclusive I guess I must be remembering it wrong.
Originally posted by MewlingQuim
Vitiate's lightning obliterated a droid and overwhelmed Revan, as I recall. Marek has imploded the heads of rancors and destroyed AT-STs, hasn't it? The key to success with Vitiate is preparation; he overwhelmed Revan because Revan allowed him to gather his lightning. I'm not certain the obscenely aggressive Marek would make that mistake.
Marek impolded the heads of a rancor with telekinesis, not lightning and it was an AT-AT, which is more impressive. Regardless, he never displayed intensities required to melt metal like Vitiate did.
Originally posted by MewlingQuim
The poster, in his divine brilliance, acknowledged this possibility. But that doesn't mean Vitiate is more powerful than Marek.
And I didn't say that it did.
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Well thats odd. I thought it was Gideon. But if its mutaully exclusive I guess I must be remembering it wrong.
Ah, yes, Gideon. Truly the most brilliant individual to ever grace the internet. Well, if he said it then there must be some truth to it.
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Marek impolded the heads of a rancor with telekinesis, not lightning and it was an AT-AT, which is more impressive.
Beyond what we've seen of Vitiate, certainly.
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Regardless, he never displayed intensities required to melt metal like Vitiate did.
If you're referring to Revan's mask, I submit that there is likely a wide chasm of difference between it and military-grade metal like that of an AT-AT.
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And I didn't say that it did.
You are wise to do so.
In either case, I'm not convinced Vitiate could oppose Marek in a duel. We've seen that an exhausted Jedi Knight can repulse Vitiate's lightning in the heart of a dark side nexus with a lightsaber. Additionally, I'm unaware of any Force powers demonstrated by Vitiate that puts him in excess of Marek.
Originally posted by MewlingQuim
Ah, yes, Gideon. Truly the most brilliant individual to ever grace the internet. Well, if he said it then there must be some truth to it.
I'm not sure. I've heard assertations of him forging evidence.
Originally posted by MewlingQuim
Beyond what we've seen of Vitiate, certainly.
Not in my opinion.
Originally posted by MewlingQuim
If you're referring to Revan's mask, I submit that there is likely a wide chasm of difference between it and military-grade metal like that of an AT-AT.
Revan's mask was originally a Mandalorian's helmet, so unlikely imo. Also his lightning disintergrated T3, as you said.
Originally posted by MewlingQuim
You are wise to do so.In either case, I'm not convinced Vitiate could oppose Marek in a duel. We've seen that an exhausted Jedi Knight can repulse Vitiate's lightning in the heart of a dark side nexus with a lightsaber. Additionally, I'm unaware of any Force powers demonstrated by Vitiate that puts him in excess of Marek.
Yes well the Jedi Knight is Just That Badass. And Marek's lightning wasn't enough to disable Vader in the novel. I still say that Vitiates lightning is more powerful. The area that he lacks in TK, though I recall that he gave his minions resiliance to TK, so he can probably defend himself against it quite well.
And of course Mind**** cheese.
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I'm not sure. I've heard assertations of him forging evidence.
Such rumors are naught but lies, perpetuated by the dishonest, jealous, and sexually inadequate. Likely the source is one who is known for his dishonest posting history and obsessive, vitriolic fixation with Gideon. Equally likely is the possibility that that isn't specific enough for you, but it should get you started into a proper investigation of things.
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Not in my opinion.
When Gothamyour argument is... ashes, you have my permission to dieconcede.
so very soon
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Revan's mask was originally a Mandalorian's helmet, so unlikely imo. Also his lightning disintergrated T3, as you said.
Admittedly, this is speculation because the only SW books I have on me are Plagueis and The Essential Atlas, but a favorable comparison between the strength of a four thousand year old mask to state-of-the-art hull of heavy artillery seems to be a bit of a stretch.
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Yes well the Jedi Knight is Just That Badass. And Marek's lightning wasn't enough to disable Vader in the novel.
A single gout of it is sufficient to put Vader on his knees in TFU2, though I suppose you could argue that that was a different Marek.
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I still say that Vitiates lightning is more powerful.
Charged, perhaps. But that's just it: Revan stupidly gave Vitiate opportunity and time to gather his energies, which might not happen here. I haven't seen anything that indicates Vitiate could come remotely close to beating Marek in terms of Force prowess, let alone ragdolling him with just lightning. Besides, Marek has his lightsaber.
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The area that he lacks in TK, though I recall that he gave his minions resiliance to TK, so he can probably defend himself against it quite well.
Possibly, but as we saw from Revan, Vitiate can be put on his ass rather handily.
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And of course Mind**** cheese.
Which is, again, possible. But if this comes to a duel, all evidence points to Vitiate being annihilated.
Originally posted by MewlingQuim
Such rumors are naught but lies, perpetuated by the dishonest, jealous, and sexually inadequate. Likely the source is one who is known for his dishonest posting history and obsessive, vitriolic fixation with Gideon. Equally likely is the possibility that that isn't specific enough for you, but it should get you started into a proper investigation of things.
I can't think of anything clever to say. Bum.
Originally posted by MewlingQuim
WhenGothamyour argument is... ashes, you have my permission todieconcede.so very soon
SQUEEEE!
Originally posted by MewlingQuim
Admittedly, this is speculation because the only SW books I have on me are Plagueis and The Essential Atlas, but a favorable comparison between the strength of a four thousand year old mask to state-of-the-art hull of heavy artillery seems to be a bit of a stretch.
Because Star Wars advances so much technologically in those years?
Plus you ignored T3. Vitiate was all like:
and T3 was all like:
Superior.
Originally posted by MewlingQuim
A single gout of it is sufficient to put Vader on his knees in TFU2, though I suppose you could argue that that was a different Marek.
True. Also, wasn't that after a lengthy duel and while channelling some lightning rods?
Originally posted by MewlingQuim
Charged, perhaps. But that's just it: Revan stupidly gave Vitiate opportunity and time to gather his energies, which might not happen here. I haven't seen anything that indicates Vitiate could come remotely close to beating Marek in terms of Force prowess, let alone ragdolling him with just lightning. Besides, Marek has his lightsaber.
Even uncharged its shown that it can deal out extreme amounts of power and damage. Galen's lightning is powerful, but he's never disintergrated or melted anything with it. Vitiate is in the select few to achieve that level of power in the mythos (Bane and Sidious being the others). Granted, Marek blocked the lightning of the latter, but only during a suicide attack.
Originally posted by MewlingQuim
Possibly, but as we saw from Revan, Vitiate can be put on his ass rather handily.
And run into lightsabers.
Originally posted by MewlingQuim
Which is, again, possible. But if this comes to a duel, all evidence points to Vitiate being annihilated.
Quite possible. But I'd put them in the same tier in terms of power based on how I see the evidence.
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I can't think of anything clever to say. Bum.
victory
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SQUEEEE!
i no
Spoiler:
The Avengers will still be better.
excellent
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Because Star Wars advances so much technologically in those years?
It's certainly more static than some suggest, absolutely. But I was more or less thinking of the fact that it is unlikely that a mask would be able to replicate the strength of an AT-AT hull.
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Plus you ignored T3.
It was I who first mentioned that, son. uhuh
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Superior.
pfft
Destroying an AT-AT > destroying lite!R2D2.
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True. Also, wasn't that after a lengthy duel and while channelling some lightning rods?
Nein, I refer to clone!Marek's initial escape from Kamino, in which he electrocutes Vader and leaps out the window, from the very first level of the game.
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Even uncharged its shown that it can deal out extreme amounts of power and damage. Galen's lightning is powerful, but he's never disintergrated or melted anything with it. Vitiate is in the select few to achieve that level of power in the mythos (Bane and Sidious being the others). Granted, Marek blocked the lightning of the latter, but only during a suicide attack.
Vitiate's lightning is most certainly powerful, but Marek is a physically monstrous individual (more than what we've seen from Revan), a "high end master of multiple forms" (more than what we've seen from Revan), wielding a lightsaber capable of deflecting Vitiate's pedestrian lightning (as Revan did), and his Force powers outstrip those we've seen of Revan.
Essentially, he has all the means to perform even better against Vitiate than Revan did and less reason to allow Vitiate the opportunity and time to gather his most potent energies.
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And run into lightsabers.
wut
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Quite possible. But I'd put them in the same tier in terms of power based on how I see the evidence.
no u
Originally posted by Nephthys
I'm calling bullshit on both the above posts. Neither Marek or Satale are individually a match for the Sith Emperor.
Hmm. It's not a Force contest, is it?
While Vitiate's superiority in power is unquestionable, it doesn't guaranty him victory.
And I certainly put Grand Master with decades experience that could absorb lightsaber with bare hands above Jedi Knight, who happened to defeat Vitiate alone.
Also, attempting mind dominating Marek will probably just piss him of even more like pretty much everything else that happens to him. 😄
Originally posted by MewlingQuim
Per TFU's novelization, Marek was hypnotized by the Emperor to kill Vader. Kota's intervention broke the trance, but it was there. I could see Vitiate replicating that.
