Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Yes, I would agree. The universe is perfect in it's imperfection.I believe that there is no need for God to be perfect.
I don't think I could agree more.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
My disagreement is the fact I don't believe in Satan.
I am not sure about this topic, personally. Satan could just be a concept personified...or he could be a real entity. In order to be sure, I'd have to have Objective Knowledge.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I don't think I could agree more.I am not sure about this topic, personally. Satan could just be a concept personified...or he could be a real entity. In order to be sure, I'd have to have Objective Knowledge.
Well, he is too convenient for my taste. We always try to displace the blame for the things that we do wrong. The truth! we are the cause for the evil in the world.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I am engaging you.Why are you so upset?
I posed a question to you for your consideration. That is all.
Did it rub you the wrong way or did it explode your point?
Engaging in this sense means responding to what someone posts. Your question was attempting to lead the witness, to use a legal term. I'm not interested in a one-way conversation.
You have a habit of trying to lead the discussion to only what you want to talk about though. I've pointed it out before, to no avail. You are very much not worth the time.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I don't think I could agree more.I am not sure about this topic, personally. Satan could just be a concept personified...or he could be a real entity. In order to be sure, I'd have to have Objective Knowledge.
The Bible reveals that the devil is a real person.
The Lord Jesus revealed that satan is a real, personal devil.
The Bible states that in the mouth of two or three witnesses let every word be established. I have provided numerous Scriptures to prove that the devil is a real, personal devil.
The names of satan—
• devil—Matthew 4:1, 13:39, 25:41; Luke 4:13, 8:12;
John 8:44, 13:2; Acts 10:38, 13:10
• adversary—1 Timothy 5:14; 1 Peter 5:8
• enemy—Matthew 13:39; Luke 10:18-19; Acts 13:10
• tempter—Matthew 4:3; 1 Thessalonians 3:5
• serpent of old—Revelation 12:9, 20:2
• dragon—Revelation 12:3-17, 13:2-4, 16:13
• prince of the power of the air—Ephesians 2:2
• king or prince of Tyre—Ezekiel 28
• lucifer—Isaiah 14:12
• anointed cherub that covers—Ezekiel 28:14
• day star—Isaiah 14:12
• son of the morning—Isaiah 14:12
• wicked one—Matthew 13:19, 38; Ephesians 6:16;
1 John 2:13-14, 3:12, 5:18-19
satan is the enemy of God and man—Genesis 3:1-5, 14-15; 1 Chronicle 21:1, 7; Job 2:7; Isaiah 14:12-20; Ezekiel 28:2-19; Zechariah 3:2; Matthew 13:38, 4:1-10, 25:41; Luke 10:19-20, 13:16: John 10:38, 13:2, 10; Romans 16:20; 1 Corinthians 7:5; 2 Corinthians 2:11, 11:14; Ephesians 4:27, 6:11; 2 Timothy 2:26; James 4:7; 1 Peter 5:8; 1 John 3:8; Jude 1:9; Revelation 20:1-3, 7-10;
satan is the tempter—Matthew 4:3, 5, 8, 11; Mark 1:13; Luke 4:2-3, 5:13; 1 Corinthians 7:5; 1 Thessalonians 3:5; James 1:13-15
satan is the father of lies—Genesis 3:4, John 8:44
satan sinned—Isaiah 14:12-17; Ezekiel 28:11-19; 1 John 3:8
The devil will be cast into the lake of fire—Revelation 20:10, 15
satan blinds the minds of those who are perishing [i.e. the unsaved] —Acts 26:18; 2 Corinthians 4:4
satan is the oppressor, the Lord Jesus is the Deliverer —Luke 13:10-17; Acts 10:38;
satan is defeated—Luke 10:17-20; Hebrews 2:14-15; Revelation 1:18
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The Bible reveals that the devil is a real person.The Lord Jesus revealed that satan is a real, personal devil.
The Bible states that in the mouth of [b]two or three witnesses let every word be established.
I have provided numerous Scriptures to prove that the devil is a real, personal devil.The names of satan—
• devil—Matthew 4:1, 13:39, 25:41; Luke 4:13, 8:12;
John 8:44, 13:2; Acts 10:38, 13:10
• adversary—1 Timothy 5:14; 1 Peter 5:8
• enemy—Matthew 13:39; Luke 10:18-19; Acts 13:10
• tempter—Matthew 4:3; 1 Thessalonians 3:5
• serpent of old—Revelation 12:9, 20:2
• dragon—Revelation 12:3-17, 13:2-4, 16:13
• prince of the power of the air—Ephesians 2:2
• king or prince of Tyre—Ezekiel 28
• lucifer—Isaiah 14:12
• anointed cherub that covers—Ezekiel 28:14
• day star—Isaiah 14:12
• son of the morning—Isaiah 14:12
• wicked one—Matthew 13:19, 38; Ephesians 6:16;
1 John 2:13-14, 3:12, 5:18-19satan is the enemy of God and man—Genesis 3:1-5, 14-15; 1 Chronicle 21:1, 7; Job 2:7; Isaiah 14:12-20; Ezekiel 28:2-19; Zechariah 3:2; Matthew 13:38, 4:1-10, 25:41; Luke 10:19-20, 13:16: John 10:38, 13:2, 10; Romans 16:20; 1 Corinthians 7:5; 2 Corinthians 2:11, 11:14; Ephesians 4:27, 6:11; 2 Timothy 2:26; James 4:7; 1 Peter 5:8; 1 John 3:8; Jude 1:9; Revelation 20:1-3, 7-10;
satan is the tempter—Matthew 4:3, 5, 8, 11; Mark 1:13; Luke 4:2-3, 5:13; 1 Corinthians 7:5; 1 Thessalonians 3:5; James 1:13-15
satan is the father of lies—Genesis 3:4, John 8:44
satan sinned—Isaiah 14:12-17; Ezekiel 28:11-19; 1 John 3:8
The devil will be cast into the lake of fire—Revelation 20:10, 15
satan blinds the minds of those who are perishing [i.e. the unsaved] —Acts 26:18; 2 Corinthians 4:4
satan is the oppressor, the Lord Jesus is the Deliverer —Luke 13:10-17; Acts 10:38;
satan is defeated—Luke 10:17-20; Hebrews 2:14-15; Revelation 1:18
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Yes, but prove that those are referencing an actual real entity and not just a concept. See, that's the problem I have. It could just be a concept.
"Mother nature". Well, we all know that the naturalist world is not actual female, sentient, and a caretaker of offspring. But we still call the natural world "mother nature". Same thing with father time.
"Evils of the World" become "The Devil".
Originally posted by dadudemon
Yes, but prove that those are referencing an actual real entity and not just a concept. See, that's the problem I have. It could just be a concept."Mother nature". Well, we all know that the naturalist world is not actual female, sentient, and a caretaker of offspring. But we still call the natural world "mother nature". Same thing with father time.
"Evils of the World" become "The Devil".
The Bible already proves that the devil is a personal devil. I've listed several Scriptures that support this.
The Bible states that the devil--not a concept--will be cast into the lake of fire.
The Lord Jesus beheld satan like lightning fall from Heaven.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The Bible already proves that the devil is a personal devil. I've listed several Scriptures that support this.The Bible states that the devil--not a concept--will be cast into the lake of fire.
The Lord Jesus beheld satan like lightning fall from Heaven.
Only in Mormonism is it directly stated the that Devil is an entity/person/being.
In all your examples, they can also be read as a concept. "Evil will be cast into the lake of fire" is another, and more accurate translation of that same scripture.
Evil with a capital "E" can be a concept in all scriptures you mention. This is not a spiritual debate, it is a scholarly one. The concept of satan injected into scripture occurs after these scriptures were written. Associating Lucifer become Satan is something that occurs after those scriptures were written.
Only in Morminism (what I have found in my studies of religions, thus far) is "Lucifer turned Satan" associated with being an actual real being, not a concept.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Only in Mormonism is it directly stated the that Devil is an entity/person/being.In all your examples, they can also be read as a concept. "Evil will be cast into the lake of fire" is another, and more accurate translation of that same scripture.
Evil with a capital "E" can be a concept in all scriptures you mention. This is not a spiritual debate, it is a scholarly one. The concept of satan injected into scripture occurs after these scriptures were written. Associating Lucifer become Satan is something that occurs after those scriptures were written.
Only in Morminism (what I have found in my studies of religions, thus far) is "Lucifer turned Satan" associated with being an actual real being, not a concept.
Jesus beheld satan as lightning fall from Heaven.
In other words, Jesus saw satan like lightning fall from Heaven.
How can you see an abstract concept fall from Heaven?
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Jesus beheld satan as lightning fall from Heaven.In other words, Jesus saw satan like lightning fall from Heaven.
How can you see an abstract concept fall from Heaven?
Jesus beheld Lucifer fall as an angel.
It also reads as very strong symbolism. Symbolic of how quickly God cast out Lucifer, the fallen angel, from heaven.
Here's a nice write-up on the confusion of "Satan is Lucifer":
Originally posted by dadudemon
Jesus beheld Lucifer fall as an angel.It also reads as very strong symbolism. Symbolic of how quickly God cast out Lucifer, the fallen angel, from heaven.
Here's a nice write-up on the confusion of "Satan is Lucifer":
But the point is still maintained: Jesus beheld the devil i.e. a personal, created cherub, fall like lightning from Heaven.
http://www.gotquestions.org/Satan-fall.html
http://www.gotquestions.org/Lucifer-Satan.html
http://www.gotquestions.org/King-of-Tyre.html
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
But the point is still maintained: Jesus beheld the devil i.e. a personal, created cherub, fall like lightning from Heaven.http://www.gotquestions.org/Satan-fall.html
http://www.gotquestions.org/Lucifer-Satan.html
http://www.gotquestions.org/King-of-Tyre.html
And that means....that Satan could just be a concept of evil since he is not actually Lucifer unless you are Mormon and believe they are the same through other scriptures.
Just sayin': it's not as clear cut and dry as you want it to be.
Originally posted by dadudemon
And that means....that Satan could just be a concept of evil since he is not actually Lucifer unless you are Mormon and believe they are the same through other scriptures.Just sayin': it's not as clear cut and dry as you want it to be.
I am a Christian.
It's very clear cut:
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I am a Christian.
That does not directly answer the question of whether or not you are Mormon. But you are using Mormon-ish arguments for why Lucifer is Satan.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
It's very clear cut:[/COLOR]
You obviously did not read the link I sent you because the passage in Isaiah is clearly addressed in what I linked you to.
But, so you can't avoid it, here is the text:
WHO IS LUCIFER...OR SATAN MISIDENTIFIEDBy Ron Corson
It may come as a surprise to many Christians that to the Jews and New Testament Christians there was no such person as Lucifer. To many Christians Lucifer is equivalent to Satan, the devil. How could it be that the Jews knew nothing of Lucifer, we find it clearly printed in our King James Bible in Isaiah 14. But then again it is not found in most contempary language versions. With the curiously notable exception of the New King James Version.
As way of introduction here is what The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia has to say about Lucifer:
Lucifer, the rendering of the Vulgate for the Hebrew phrase helal ("day-star"😉 in Isa. 14:12; the verse is rendered in the Authorized Version as: How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!" The passage in question is a song of derision over the downfall of a Babylonian king; the figure used may trace back to a Hebrew or Babylonian astral myth like the Greek story of Phaethon, in which the day-star is cast out of heaven because of presumption. The term Lucifer is never used in Jewish legend; but Christian writers identified Lucifer with Satan who, according to the gospels (Luke 10:18), fell from heaven like lighting; accordingly, Lucifer became one of the terms for the devil in Christian theology. (Page 229)
Most Christians do realize that Jerome used the word in his Latin Vulgate Bible prepared sometime toward the latter half of the 4th century. But unfortunately that's about the sum total of their knowledge of the history of the word. Because tradition has for so long said that Lucifer is Satan, they do not question the word or concept any further. But where did this tradition come from, and why considering the many references to Satan in the New Testament did not the concept of Lucifer ever come up.
It is not to Jerome, however that we owe the teaching of Lucifer but to that most creative of theologians, Origen. (185-254 A.D.) It was he who first made the new connection between Satan and Lucifer. He brought together diverse Old Testament references from Job, Ezekiel and Isaiah. Arguing that Lucifer, the Prince of Tyre, and the Leviathan of Job, were all identical with the Devil. He used these texts to emphasize Satan's pride and his fall from heaven.
With the aid of Tertullian (155-After 220 A.D.) who taught that before Satan's fall he was not only an angel but the foremost angel. It is mainly to these three theologians, Origen, Tertullian, and Jerome that we derive the Lucifer myth. It should also be noted that the Lucifer myth can also be found in the Psedepigrapha in the book The Secrets of Enoch. But since it is currently felt that The Secrets of Enoch is likely a seventh century document (at least in its present form), therefor it is probably not the source of this Lucifer myth. ( I will for now refer to the idea that Lucifer is Satan as the Lucifer myth, hopefully by the end of the article you will agree that it is indeed a myth.)
An interesting side note is that Origen and later Augustine believed that the Devil's envy arose from pride. Thus the Devil envied God. Tertullian on the other hand believed that the Devil was jealous of humans. Believing that the Devil was furious that God had created humans in the divine image and had given them governance over the world. Needless to say Tertullian view lost out to that of Origen.
Origen's use of Isaiah 14:12 and Ezekiel 28:12-19 seem to be the two popular references used when people speak about Lucifer. Origen's third reference to Leviathan in Job 41:1-2 seems to have fallen into disrepute, possibly because it does not provide much information to add to the myth.
When read in context it becomes clear that these verses are not at all referring to Satan. They are about Babylon and Tyre. As is clearly shown when one reads the prophecy. For example:
Isa 14:4 you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon: How the oppressor has come to an end! How his fury has ended! (NIV)
Ezek 28:2 "Son of man, say to the ruler of Tyre, `This is what the Sovereign LORD says: "`In the pride of your heart you say, "I am a god; I sit on the throne of a god in the heart of the seas." But you are a man and not a god, though you think you are as wise as a god. (NIV)
One of the problems some people have when it comes to these verses is that they have a hard time distinguishing poetic language from literal language. So when they see something like:
Ezek 28:14-15 You were anointed as a guardian cherub, for so I ordained you. You were on the holy mount of God; you walked among the fiery stones. You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created till wickedness was found in you. (NIV)
They jump from the subject previously identified (that being Tyre) to a literalistic who was a guardian cherub. They then think the answer must be Satan. But then when their literalistic approach falls apart in the next verse they return to the original subject matter (Tyre).
Ezek 28:16 Through your widespread trade you were filled with violence, and you sinned. So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God, and I expelled you, O guardian cherub, from among the fiery stones. (NIV)
It no longer works to well to say that Satan was expelled from heaven because of his widespread trade and violence. When you use context as your primary guide to interpreting the Bible it is impossible to make these verses refer to Satan. Also there is no Biblical statements which identify Satan as a guradian cherub, that is produced when the reader inserts their preconcieved idea into the verse.
When we read the chapters around the references used by those who support the Lucifer myth, we see that in both Isaiah and Ezekiel they are prophecies dealing with other nations. Many with equally poetic language. For instance:
Ezek 31:2-9 "Son of man, say to Pharaoh king of Egypt and to his hordes: "'Who can be compared with you in majesty? 3 Consider Assyria, once a cedar in Lebanon, with beautiful branches overshadowing the forest; it towered on high, its top above the thick foliage...8 The cedars in the garden of God could not rival it, nor could the pine trees equal its boughs, nor could the plane trees compare with its branches-- no tree in the garden of God could match its beauty. 9 I made it beautiful with abundant branches, the envy of all the trees of Eden in the garden of God. (NIV)
Now maybe one could read these verses and say that again we have a reference to Satan. But that kind of creative eisegesis would just lead to more problems, such as who are these which envy the mighty tree in Eden. And of course there would be that pesky problem of what are the verses talking about in context.
Now when the above information is presented someone will usually say "yes the prophecy is about Babylon or Tyre but it is also about the power which is behind these kingdoms, and that is Satan. But by what method of exegesis can you arrive at that conclusion. Whenever the Bible speaks about wicked nations is it also referring to something about Satan's rise and fall. Should we ignore all we know about Biblical interpretation so that we can keep a myth about Lucifer that no one prior to the second century had any idea of. A myth which no New Testament author even vaguely referred too.
Some supporters of the Lucifer myth point to Isaiah 14:13-14:
You said in your heart, "I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain. I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High." (NIV)
They would suggest that this is referencing Satan since these ambitions exceed the reach of any human ruler. But of course they exceed the reach of Satan also. Further, delusions of grandeur are not uncommon in earthly rulers, and those that are farther away from God are more likely to think they have god like power (consider the Egyptian Pharaohs). Especially when you consider how distorted their view of God was. How could Satan who no doubt saw some of God's creative action think that he, Satan could do the same thing let alone usurp God's power. To think that he, Satan could be like God, he would have to think that he could do the same things as God. It would not take long for Satan to discover that he did not have any creative power like God had. And still after all this we must remember that these and other verses are filled with poetic exaggerations.
None of this is to say that Satan does not exist, for I am sure he does. It is merely to point out that some of the things we think we know about Satan are not necessarily true. Namely the references to Lucifer and the Prince of Tyre. We know that he is a liar and a murder from the beginning (what beginning is uncertain) John 8:44. And we know that he was kicked out of heaven Rev 12:8-10.
Does it matter if we think Lucifer is Satan, maybe and maybe not. It could be possible that Satan fell in a similar way as described in Isaiah 14, or the astral myths of ancient religions. But then again it could be totally different. The question is really how do we interpret the Bible.
Originally posted by dadudemon
That does not directly answer the question of whether or not you are Mormon. But you are using Mormon-ish arguments for why Lucifer is Satan.You obviously did not read the link I sent you because the passage in Isaiah is clearly addressed in what I linked you to.
But, so you can't avoid it, here is the text:
I am not a Mormon.
I am not using Mormon-ish arguments. I am using the Bible (that is all that I ever use).
I did read the link, afterwards I responded with several links of my own.
I do not believe that you read the links that I provided because they show beyond a shadow of a doubt that lucifer is none other than satan.
Question: "Is Lucifer Satan? Does the fall of Lucifer describe Satan?"
Answer: There is no verse or passage in the Bible that says, “Lucifer is Satan,” but an examination of several passages reveals that Lucifer can be none other than Satan. The fall of Lucifer described in Isaiah 14:12 is likely the same that Jesus referred to in Luke 10:18: "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.” A similar fall is depicted in Ezekiel 28.
Isaiah 14:12-18 describes the fall from heaven of one called “Lucifer” in the King James Version and the “morning star, son of the dawn” in the NIV. Other Bible versions call him “Day Star,” “shining star,” and “the bright morning star.” These variations are due to differences of opinion about how to translate the Hebrew word helel. Regardless, the description of the one referred to shows us it can be none other than Satan. We know from Jesus’ own words in Luke 10 that Satan fell from heaven. So, when Isaiah refers to Lucifer or helel being cast down to earth (Isaiah 14:12), it can be none other than Satan. The reason for his fall is found in verses 13 and 14: “You said in your heart, ‘I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain. I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.’” This has always been Satan’s desire – to be God, and it is the very temptation he used in the Garden of Eden to get Eve to disobey God: “You shall be as God” (Genesis 3:5).
Ezekiel 28 is another passage thought to refer to Lucifer/Satan. Although it begins with Ezekiel being commanded by God to “take up a lament concerning the king of Tyre” (v. 12), an evil idolatrous king, it soon becomes clear that the passage is referring as well to the power behind that king—Satan. Verse 13 says he was “in Eden, the garden of God.” Clearly, the king of Tyre was never in Eden. Verse 14 says, “You were anointed as a guardian cherub, for so I ordained you.” Apparently, Lucifer/Satan had a position of guardian angel in heaven “among the fiery stones,” thought to be the shining precious jewels that are seen in other descriptions of heaven (Exodus 24:10; Revelation 21:18-21). Since the king of Tyre was never in heaven, either, this can only be describing Lucifer. The rest of the passage describes the reason he was cast out of heaven. Because of his beauty, his heart became proud and his wisdom was corrupted (v. 17). Pride in his perfection, wisdom and beauty (v. 12) became the source of his downfall, and God threw him to the earth (v. 17). This was witnessed by the Lord Jesus in heaven before His incarnation (Luke 10:18).
To summarize, the Hebrew word helel is translated "Lucifer." He was cast out of heaven for his sin of pride and his desire to be God. Jesus referred to seeing Satan being cast out of heaven. Therefore, we can conclude that Lucifer and Satan are one and the same.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I am not a Mormon.I am not using Mormon-ish arguments. I am using the Bible (that is all that I ever use).
It is amazing, to me, that the more someone studies the bible, the more like a Mormon they sound. 🙂
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I did read the link, afterwards I responded with several links of my own.
You did not read the link because the material in the link directly addressed the materials you linked to.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I do not believe that you read the links that I provided because they show beyond a shadow of a doubt that lucifer is none other than satan.
No, there is doubt. You now claim to have omniscience (you blasphemous idolater). There is no scriptural knowledge to be had that Lucifer is Satan unless you're a Mormon.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Question: "Is Lucifer Satan? Does the fall of Lucifer describe Satan?"Answer: There is no verse or passage in the Bible that says, “Lucifer is Satan,” but an examination of several passages reveals that Lucifer can be none other than Satan. The fall of Lucifer described in Isaiah 14:12 is likely the same that Jesus referred to in Luke 10:18: "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.” A similar fall is depicted in Ezekiel 28.
Isaiah 14:12-18 describes the fall from heaven of one called “Lucifer” in the King James Version and the “morning star, son of the dawn” in the NIV. Other Bible versions call him “Day Star,” “shining star,” and “the bright morning star.” These variations are due to differences of opinion about how to translate the Hebrew word helel. [B]Regardless, the description of the one referred to shows us it can be none other than Satan. We know from Jesus’ own words in Luke 10 that Satan fell from heaven. So, when Isaiah refers to Lucifer or helel being cast down to earth (Isaiah 14:12), it can be none other than Satan.
The reason for his fall is found in verses 13 and 14: “You said in your heart, ‘I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain. I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.’” This has always been Satan’s desire – to be God, and it is the very temptation he used in the Garden of Eden to get Eve to disobey God: “You shall be as God” (Genesis 3:5).Ezekiel 28 is another passage thought to refer to Lucifer/Satan. Although it begins with Ezekiel being commanded by God to “take up a lament concerning the king of Tyre” (v. 12), an evil idolatrous king, it soon becomes clear that the passage is referring as well to the power behind that king—Satan. Verse 13 says he was “in Eden, the garden of God.” Clearly, the king of Tyre was never in Eden. Verse 14 says, “You were anointed as a guardian cherub, for so I ordained you.” Apparently, Lucifer/Satan had a position of guardian angel in heaven “among the fiery stones,” thought to be the shining precious jewels that are seen in other descriptions of heaven (Exodus 24:10; Revelation 21:18-21). Since the king of Tyre was never in heaven, either, this can only be describing Lucifer. The rest of the passage describes the reason he was cast out of heaven. Because of his beauty, his heart became proud and his wisdom was corrupted (v. 17). Pride in his perfection, wisdom and beauty (v. 12) became the source of his downfall, and God threw him to the earth (v. 17). This was witnessed by the Lord Jesus in heaven before His incarnation (Luke 10:18).
To summarize, the Hebrew word helel is translated "Lucifer." He was cast out of heaven for his sin of pride and his desire to be God. Jesus referred to seeing Satan being cast out of heaven. Therefore, we can conclude that Lucifer and Satan are one and the same. [/B]
This material is directly addressed by the section I quoted at you.
Muhammad is never mentioned in the Bible.
Not even once.
The prophesied Prophet that Moses refers to in Deuteronomy 18:15, 18-19 is none other than the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth, Son of the living God.
The Apostle Peter confirmed this in the book of Acts.
Notice how well the Apostle Peter incorporates the prophecy into his preaching to show irrefutably that it points to Jesus Christ. The Apostle consistently mentions the Lord Jesus:
Acts 3:11-26
11 Now as the lame man who was healed held on to Peter and John, all the people ran together to them in the porch which is called Solomon’s, greatly amazed.
12 So when Peter saw it, he responded to the people: “Men of Israel, why do you marvel at this? Or why look so intently at us, as though by our own power or godliness we had made this man walk?
13 The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified His Servant Jesus, whom you delivered up and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let Him go.
14 But you denied the Holy One and the Just, and asked for a murderer to be granted to you,
15 and killed the Prince of life, whom God raised from the dead, of which we are witnesses.
16 And His Name, through faith in His Name, has made this man strong, whom you see and know. Yes, the faith which comes through Him has given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.
17 “Yet now, brethren, I know that you did it in ignorance, as did also your rulers.
18 But those things which God foretold by the mouth of all His prophets, that the Christ would suffer, He has thus fulfilled.
19 Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord,
20 and that He may send Jesus Christ, Who was preached to you before,
21 whom heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began. ,
22 For Moses truly said to the fathers, ‘The Lord your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brethren. Him you shall hear in all things, whatever He says to you.
23 And it shall be that every soul who will not hear that Prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.’
24 Yes, and all the prophets, from Samuel and those who follow, as many as have spoken, have also foretold these d ays.
25 You are sons of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying to Abraham, ‘And in your seed all the families of the earth shall be blessed.’
26 To you first, God, having raised up His Servant Jesus, sent Him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from your iniquities.”
Deuteronomy 18:15
15 “The Lord your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your midst, from your brethren. Him you shall hear,
Deuteronomy 18:18-19
18 I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brethren, and will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him.
19 And it shall be that whoever will not hear My words, which He speaks in My name, I will require it of him.
Him you shall hear in all things
The Lord Jesus spoke the Word of His Father (see John 3:34, 8:28).
b]John 3:34
34 [COLOR=blue][For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God does not give the Spirit by measure.
Notice how the Bible states that the Lord Jesus speaks the Words of God.[/COLOR]
Moreover, the Lord Jesus stated that Moses spoke about Him.
John 5:46-47
46 For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me.
47 But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”
Muhammad is never mentioned in the Bible.
Not even once.
The prophesied Prophet that Moses refers to in Deuteronomy 18:15, 18-19 is none other than the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth, Son of the living God.
The Apostle Peter confirmed this in the book of Acts.
Notice how well the Apostle Peter incorporates the prophecy into his preaching to show irrefutably that it points to Jesus Christ. The Apostle consistently mentions the Lord Jesus:
Acts 3:11-26
11 Now as the lame man who was healed held on to Peter and John, all the people ran together to them in the porch which is called Solomon’s, greatly amazed.
12 So when Peter saw it, he responded to the people: “Men of Israel, why do you marvel at this? Or why look so intently at us, as though by our own power or godliness we had made this man walk?
13 The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified His Servant Jesus, whom you delivered up and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let Him go.
14 But you denied the Holy One and the Just, and asked for a murderer to be granted to you,
15 and killed the Prince of life, whom God raised from the dead, of which we are witnesses.
16 And His Name, through faith in His Name, has made this man strong, whom you see and know. Yes, the faith which comes through Him has given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.
17 “Yet now, brethren, I know that you did it in ignorance, as did also your rulers.
18 But those things which God foretold by the mouth of all His prophets, that the Christ would suffer, He has thus fulfilled.
19 Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord,
20 and that He may send Jesus Christ, Who was preached to you before,
21 whom heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began.
22 For Moses truly said to the fathers, ‘The Lord your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brethren. Him you shall hear in all things, whatever He says to you.
23 And it shall be that every soul who will not hear that Prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.’
24 Yes, and all the prophets, from Samuel and those who follow, as many as have spoken, have also foretold these days.
25 You are sons of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying to Abraham, ‘And in your seed all the families of the earth shall be blessed.’
26 To you first, God, having raised up His Servant Jesus, sent Him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from your iniquities.”
Deuteronomy 18:15
15 “The Lord your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your midst, from your brethren. Him you shall hear,
Deuteronomy 18:18-19
18 I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brethren, and will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him.
19 And it shall be that whoever will not hear My words, which He speaks in My name, I will require it of him.
Him you shall hear in all things.
The Lord Jesus spoke the Word of His Father .
John 3:34
34 For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God does not give the Spirit by measure.
Notice how the Bible states that the Lord Jesus speaks the Words of God.
John 8:28
28 Then Jesus said to them, “When you lift up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am He, and that I do nothing of Myself; but as My Father taught Me, I speak these things.
John 4:25-26
25 The woman said to Him, “I know that Messiah is coming” (who is called Christ). “When He comes, He will tell us all things .”
26 Jesus said to her, “I who speak to you am He. ”
Moreover, the Lord Jesus stated that Moses spoke about Him.
John 5:46-47
46 For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me.
47 But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”