Originally posted by Robtard
So it's settled, the one prophesied in the OT could be Mohammad, Jesus or someone yet known, depending on personal taste/faith.Eninn is therefore no more correct/incorrect than you are JIA.
No, nothing is up for grabs here. I've already provided a plethora of Scriptures that show that the Lord Jesus is the fulfillment of Moses' prophecy concerning God raising up a Prophet like him (just go back two posts).
In the book of Acts 3:22 it is recorded that the Apostle Peter cited Moses' announcement about God raising up a Prophet like him (Moses) because he (the Apostle Peter) knew that it was about the Lord Jesus Christ.
The Apostle Peter knew that the Lord Jesus Christ was the fulfillment of that prophecy.
Deuteronomy 18:15
15 “The Lord your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your midst, from your brethren. Him you shall hear,
Acts 3:22, 26
22 For Moses truly said to the fathers, ‘The Lord your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brethren. Him you shall hear in all things, whatever He says to you.
26 To you first, God, having raised up His Servant Jesus, sent Him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from your iniquities
God raised up His Son Jesus to be a Prophet like Moses.
In what way was the Lord Jesus a Prophet like Moses?
First, Moses was a deliverer who led the Israelites from captivity to Pharaoh by the power of God. The Lord Jesus is the Deliverer (who Moses foreshadowed and was an Old Testament type of) who leads all who believe in Him by faith from captivity to the wages of sin and death, and from satan by the power of His Father God.
Second, Moses performed many miracles, signs, and wonders by the power of God. The Lord Jesus performed many miracles, signs, and wonders by the power of His Father. The Lord Jesus Christ stated that it was His Father in Him Who did (i.e. performed or accomplished) the works.
Third, Moses introduced the Law to the children of Israel. The Lord Jesus Christ introduced grace and truth (John 1:17), and fulfilled the Law of Moses.
Moreover, the Lord Jesus gave us a new law: the law of love.
Romans 13:8
8 Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law . 9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,†“You shall not murder,†“You shall not steal,†“You shall not bear false witness,†“You shall not covet,†and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.†10 Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
The law of love fulfills the Law of Moses in that it not only supersedes it, but makes many of its precepts and ordinances obsolete through love.
You see, if you love God then you will not have any other gods before Him. So God doesn't have to tell a believer under the New Testament,
Exodus 20:3
“You shall have no other gods before Me.
In addition, if a Christian loves his neighbor (as the law of love commands) then he will not steal from him, murder him, or covet his wife etc.
Lastly, after Moses came down from Mount Sinai with the Ten Commandments his face shone (i.e. illuminated with the glory of God).
Exodus 34:29
Now it was so, when Moses came down from Mount Sinai (and the two tablets of the Testimony were in Moses’ hand when he came down from the mountain), that Moses did not know that the skin of his face shone while he talked with Him.
Exodus 34:30
So when Aaron and all the children of Israel saw Moses, behold, the skin of his face shone , and they were afraid to come near him.
Exodus 34:35
And whenever the children of Israel saw the face of Moses, that the skin of Moses’ face shone, then Moses would put the veil on his face again, until he went in to speak with Him.
The Lord Jesus experienced the same phenomenon as Moses except the Lord's glory was infinitely greater.
Moses’ face shone with the glory of God, but Jesus' face and clothes shone and illuminated with the glory of God.
Mark 9:2-7
2 Now after six days Jesus took Peter, James, and John, and led them up on a high mountain apart by themselves; and He was transfigured before them.
3 His clothes became shining, exceedingly white, like snow, such as no launderer on earth can whiten them.
4 And Elijah appeared to them with Moses, and they were talking with Jesus.
5 Then Peter answered and said to Jesus, “Rabbi, it is good for us to be here; and let us make three tabernacles: one for You, one for Moses, and one for Elijahâ€â€”
6 because he did not know what to say, for they were greatly afraid.
7 And a cloud came and overshadowed them; and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, “This is My beloved Son. Hear Him!†8 Suddenly, when they had looked around, they saw no one anymore, but only Jesus with themselves.
Not only did the Lord Jesus' face shine, but the Bible reveals that it shone like the sun, and Jesus' clothes became exceedingly white, like snow, such as no launderer on earth can whiten them.
So not only did the Lord's face shine like Moses (but brighter--like the sun), but His clothes shined with the same intensity as His face.
Both happened in connection with a high mountain while being in the Presence of God.
Noticed that the Father God from a bright cloud commanded the disciples to Hear Him (meaning Jesus). This was also a fulfillment of the prophecy spoken by Moses in Deuteronomy 18.
Deuteronomy 18:15
15 “The Lord your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your midst, from your brethren. Him you shall hear,
So God fulfilled the prophecy of Moses, raised up a Prophet like Moses, and confirmed from the cloud He (i.e. the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth) it is who the disciples should hear.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Jesus Christ (Yeshua Mashiach) said,[b]"I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. (John 14:6)
http://peacewithgod.jesus.net/
http://www.jdm.org/jdmDefault.aspx?tabindex=-1&tabID=50
http://bibleprobe.com/muhammad.htm
http://www.almightywind.com/whatsnew/071112buddhist.htm
Ask Jesus Christ (Yeshua Mashiach) to reveal to you the truth about Muhammad Ibn `Abd Allāh Ibn `Abd al-Muttalib, Siddhârtha Gautama Buddha, and all other false religions that lead people away from the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and into Hell. [/B]
...Those last two videos are full of some of the most ludicrous and hate-filled drivel that I've ever seen.
Originally posted by The Rover
...Those last two videos are full of some of the most ludicrous and hate-filled drivel that I've ever seen.
I don't follow you.
What about this:
http://bibleprobe.com/muhammad.htm
http://www.almightywind.com/whatsnew/071112buddhist.htm
[COLOR=darkblue]Ask Jesus Christ (Yeshua Mashiach) to reveal to you the truth about Muhammad Ibn `Abd Allāh Ibn `Abd al-Muttalib, Siddhârtha Gautama Buddha, and all other false religions that lead people away from the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and into Hell.
and this is hate-filled?[/COLOR]
Mormonism is not the way, truth, or life.
All its adherents end up in Hell.
Please, ask Jesus Christ to save you from your sins.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Mormonism is not the way, truth, or life.All its adherents end up in Hell.
Please, ask Jesus Christ to save you from your sins.
Jeremiah 8:8
"How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us? Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in vain."
Here's a newer translation of that Middle English:
"How can you say, 'We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD,' when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?"
Basically, even the bible admits that it is imperfect and full of lies because of what various "scribes" have done to the word over the years. Sometimes, it is written down corrupted from the beginning. Sometimes, it takes years. Sometimes, it is lost. The bible is not the end all be all and it is very imperfect.
But, there are plenty of LAD experiences from Mormons who visit the afterlife in spirit form. So, by the logical fallacy of argumentum ad populum, I reject your single questionable source and submit to you the body of "evidence" that says Mormons go to heaven. 🙂
"The judgment reported by Mormon near-death experiencers is essentially a self-judgment. This self-judgment is similar to the reported life reviews and self-judgment that are reported in near-death experiences. Experiencers report that they see a panoramic review of their entire life and then judge their own actions while awash in the "unconditional love" of the Being of Light. After the judgment, the spirit dwells with others that are most like it (Eyre, 1991). As with many other religious groups, Mormon near-death experiencers consistently report meeting with deceased family members, and being in the presence of a being of light which they call God. However, some Mormon near-death experiencers report two events that appear to be uncommon with non-Mormon experiencers. They report that they are requested to do something in the world, when they return to life, by the personage(s) they encounter during their experience. They also report that they receive religious and other types of instructions from the "other world" beings (Lundahl, 1982).
According to Lundahl (1982), members of the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter-day Saints report a high number of near-death experiences per capita of their religion. The high number of reported near-death experiences is probably due to the social values of the Latter-day Saints which encourages individuals to share their near-death experiences much more openly than most other social groups (p.166). Mormons interpret the near-death experiences as part of their religious beliefs and a glimpse of life after death."
Dr. David San Filippo
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/articles013.html
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
According to South Park, they are the only people in heaven. 😄
😆
Every now and then, my brother and I watch that episode for nostalgia. Good times. 😄
Originally posted by dadudemon
Jeremiah 8:8"How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us? Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in vain."
Here's a newer translation of that Middle English:
"How can you say, 'We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD,' when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?"
Basically, even the bible admits that it is imperfect and full of lies because of what various "scribes" have done to the word over the years. Sometimes, it is written down corrupted from the beginning. Sometimes, it takes years. Sometimes, it is lost. The bible is not the end all be all and it is very imperfect.
But, there are plenty of LAD experiences from Mormons who visit the afterlife in spirit form. So, by the logical fallacy of argumentum ad populum, I reject your single questionable source and submit to you the body of "evidence" that says Mormons go to heaven. 🙂
"The judgment reported by Mormon near-death experiencers is essentially a self-judgment. This self-judgment is similar to the reported life reviews and self-judgment that are reported in near-death experiences. Experiencers report that they see a panoramic review of their entire life and then judge their own actions while awash in the "unconditional love" of the Being of Light. After the judgment, the spirit dwells with others that are most like it (Eyre, 1991). As with many other religious groups, Mormon near-death experiencers consistently report meeting with deceased family members, and being in the presence of a being of light which they call God. However, some Mormon near-death experiencers report two events that appear to be uncommon with non-Mormon experiencers. They report that they are requested to do something in the world, when they return to life, by the personage(s) they encounter during their experience. They also report that they receive religious and other types of instructions from the "other world" beings (Lundahl, 1982).
According to Lundahl (1982), members of the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter-day Saints report a high number of near-death experiences per capita of their religion. The high number of reported near-death experiences is probably due to the social values of the Latter-day Saints which encourages individuals to share their near-death experiences much more openly than most other social groups (p.166). Mormons interpret the near-death experiences as part of their religious beliefs and a glimpse of life after death."
Dr. David San Filippo
So, if you believe in NDE, you would have to except the testimony of Mormons who have had NDEs.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
So, if you believe in NDE, you would have to except the testimony of Mormons who have had NDEs.
As a skeptic, I would have to accept that some to all of the NDEs are not exactly as they are portrayed while being a Mormon means I have to leave the possibility open for NDEs confirming my religious bias.
Originally posted by dadudemon
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Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Mormonism is not the way, truth, or life.All its adherents end up in Hell.
Please, ask Jesus Christ to save you from your sins.
Did you watch this powerful testimony?
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
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Originally posted by dadudemon
Jeremiah 8:8"How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us? Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in vain."
Here's a newer translation of that Middle English:
"How can you say, 'We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD,' when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?"
Basically, even the bible admits that it is imperfect and full of lies because of what various "scribes" have done to the word over the years. Sometimes, it is written down corrupted from the beginning. Sometimes, it takes years. Sometimes, it is lost. The bible is not the end all be all and it is very imperfect.
But, there are plenty of LAD experiences from Mormons who visit the afterlife in spirit form. So, by the logical fallacy of argumentum ad populum, I reject your single questionable source and submit to you the body of "evidence" that says Mormons go to heaven. 🙂
"The judgment reported by Mormon near-death experiencers is essentially a self-judgment. This self-judgment is similar to the reported life reviews and self-judgment that are reported in near-death experiences. Experiencers report that they see a panoramic review of their entire life and then judge their own actions while awash in the "unconditional love" of the Being of Light. After the judgment, the spirit dwells with others that are most like it (Eyre, 1991). As with many other religious groups, Mormon near-death experiencers consistently report meeting with deceased family members, and being in the presence of a being of light which they call God. However, some Mormon near-death experiencers report two events that appear to be uncommon with non-Mormon experiencers. They report that they are requested to do something in the world, when they return to life, by the personage(s) they encounter during their experience. They also report that they receive religious and other types of instructions from the "other world" beings (Lundahl, 1982).
According to Lundahl (1982), members of the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter-day Saints report a high number of near-death experiences per capita of their religion. The high number of reported near-death experiences is probably due to the social values of the Latter-day Saints which encourages individuals to share their near-death experiences much more openly than most other social groups (p.166). Mormons interpret the near-death experiences as part of their religious beliefs and a glimpse of life after death."
Dr. David San Filippo
Did you read this powerful post?
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Mormonism is not the way, truth, or life.All its adherents end up in Hell.
Please, ask Jesus Christ to save you from your sins.
* look JIA, i'm a Christian and i don't even agree with you... attacking other religious belief that does not use the Bible as basis is stupid because there is no point of argument... even if you throw gazillions of Bible verses, it won't matter...
* and YOU don't tell anyone who goes to hell and who goes to heaven... you're not God... in fact - since you use the Bible - God is the Savior of ALL people, believers and non-believers (I Timothy 4:10)...
Originally posted by peejayd
* look JIA, i'm a Christian and i don't even agree with you... attacking other religious belief that does not use the Bible as basis is stupid because there is no point of argument... even if you throw gazillions of Bible verses, it won't matter...
Thanks, man. You're good people.
I would note, however, that Mormons do use the bible and quite often. We just consider the Book of Mormon to be on relatively equal grounds as the bible, spiritually.
Originally posted by peejayd
* and YOU don't tell anyone who goes to hell and who goes to heaven... you're not God... in fact - since you use the Bible - God is the Savior of ALL people, believers and non-believers (I Timothy 4:10)...
OH SNAP! lol
But, yes, this is what I communicated to Batdude in another thread.
peejayd, I have a question.
Will people like Shakyamunison be saved by Christ's atonement? Meaning, will he go to heaven when he dies? I think Shakya has lived a good enough life and lived it well enough that he should (I cannot judge). But he doesn't believe that Jesus is his Savior and so forth.
For me, this has been a gray area of mine, for years. I do not know for sure. God knows the content of man's heart, right? Or He is supposed to. So only He can know for sure if that man rejected the gospel. What I mean is "truly rejected" where the individual received testimony from the Holy Ghost, recognized it as eternal truth, and then rejected it. I feel that, for many atheists, most of them did not receive that truth, quite yet. That means I don't think they would be "doomed" as some Christians put it. I still think there is hope for them as well as everyone. I choose to believe in a omnibenevolent God rather than a mean petty God...without solid evidence.
I think a lot of confusion disappears if the Bible and other holy writings are interpreted metaphorically, especially within the mystical / consciousness context. For example:
To "sin," to "reject" the Gospel, etc is to live one's life on autopilot: automatic / mechanical / habitual consciousness, ie, ordinary consciousness where we are lost in inner dialogue, out of touch with the here-and-now, and certainly out-of-touch with our deepest feelings, wherein "God" may be found. Jesus is the Way and the Truth in that he is a metaphor for rising out of this functional trance we live in, and becoming self- or situationally aware, ie, becoming conscious of being conscious. This is the common thread, the universal truth in all mystical systems, the perinnial philosophy. Now because "training one's attention" is highly intangible and can be difficult to grasp, which is where (imho) organized religion comes in (at least as initial intent): translating this intangible into simplified ("watered down"😉 instruction and concrete behaviors, so that the common man, especially en masse -- who generally has more immediate survival/material concerns to deal with -- can apply these truths in some fashion in his life.
Problems arise when these watered-down instructions are taken literally, and problems mount exponentially when "sinful" people use them to feel superior to and to control others.
I wrote this quick so I hope it makes sense.