Jesus Christ (Yeshua Mashiach) - Muhammad - Siddhártha Gautama (the Buddha)

Started by dadudemon10 pages

Originally posted by Mindship
I think a lot of confusion disappears if the Bible and other holy writings are interpreted metaphorically, especially within the mystical / consciousness context. For example:

To "sin," to "reject" the Gospel, etc is to live one's life on autopilot: automatic / mechanical / habitual consciousness, ie, ordinary consciousness where we are lost in inner dialogue, out of touch with the here-and-now, and certainly out-of-touch with our deepest feelings, wherein "God" may be found. Jesus is the Way and the Truth in that he is a metaphor for rising out of this functional trance we live in, and becoming self- or situationally aware, ie, becoming conscious of being conscious. This is the common thread, the universal truth in all mystical systems, the perinnial philosophy. Now because "training one's attention" is highly intangible and can be difficult to grasp, which is where (imho) organized religion comes in (at least as initial intent): translating this intangible into simplified ("watered down"😉 instruction and concrete behaviors, so that the common man, especially en masse -- who generally has more immediate survival/material concerns to deal with -- can apply these truths in some fashion in his life.

Problems arise when these watered-down instructions are taken literally, and problems mount exponentially when "sinful" people use them to feel superior to and to control others.

I wrote this quick so I hope it makes sense.

No, that makes sense. All of the major positive religions are about some form of enlightenment/transcendental consciousness.

Originally posted by dadudemon
...Will people like Shakyamunison be saved by Christ's atonement? Meaning, will he go to heaven when he dies? I think Shakya has lived a good enough life and lived it well enough that he should (I cannot judge). But he doesn't believe that Jesus is his Savior and so forth.

For me, this has been a gray area of mine, for years. I do not know for sure. God knows the content of man's heart, right? Or He is supposed to. So only He can know for sure if that man rejected the gospel. What I mean is "truly rejected" where the individual received testimony from the Holy Ghost, recognized it as eternal truth, and then rejected it. I feel that, for many atheists, most of them did not receive that truth, quite yet. That means I don't think they would be "doomed" as some Christians put it. I still think there is hope for them as well as everyone. I choose to believe in a omnibenevolent God rather than a mean petty God...without solid evidence.

😂 dadudemon, lets cover all the bases. When I die, have me baptised. 😉

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
😂 dadudemon, lets cover all the bases. When I die, have me baptised. 😉

😆 😆 😆

Nice.

Originally posted by dadudemon
peejayd, I have a question.

Will people like Shakyamunison be saved by Christ's atonement? Meaning, will he go to heaven when he dies? I think Shakya has lived a good enough life and lived it well enough that he should (I cannot judge). But he doesn't believe that Jesus is his Savior and so forth.

For me, this has been a gray area of mine, for years. I do not know for sure. God knows the content of man's heart, right? Or He is supposed to. So only He can know for sure if that man rejected the gospel. What I mean is "truly rejected" where the individual received testimony from the Holy Ghost, recognized it as eternal truth, and then rejected it. I feel that, for many atheists, most of them did not receive that truth, quite yet. That means I don't think they would be "doomed" as some Christians put it. I still think there is hope for them as well as everyone. I choose to believe in a omnibenevolent God rather than a mean petty God...without solid evidence.

* according to the Bible, as i've said before, God is the Savior of all people, believer or non-believer (I Timothy 4:10), God desires all people to be saved (I Timothy 2:3-4) and He does not wish anyone to perish (II Peter 3:9)... with that kind of character, eventhough a person does not believe in Jesus - like Shakya - that person can be saved...

* but of course, the basis of judgment is different from a believer... and yes, God can search the mind and try the heart (Jeremiah 17:9-10), only He can know if a person is truly a good person or bad... what is the basis? since the person is not a believer, God will not judge him according to his faith, but rather according to his works (James 2:24, Romans 2:13)... it does not matter if the person heard the Gospel or not, but what's more important is if he was obeying the Gospel or not...

* maybe you're next question is, how can a person know the Gospel without hearing it first? in Romans 2:15, God already wrote a law in our hearts, that's why eventhough we have not heard any law, Gospel or preaching, we know deep inside our hearts that it's wrong to kill, to steal, and to do other bad things... we have conscience...

* there are atheists that because of their culture/custom, was deprived to know the existence of God, which is obviously pardonable, God is a God of mercy and righteousness, right? but there are also atheist that really knows there is God but because of stubbornness, pride and wise in his own conceit, chooses to reject the existence of God - and that is foolish (Psalms 14:1, 53:1)... 🙂

Originally posted by peejayd
* according to the Bible, as i've said before, God is the Savior of all people, believer or non-believer (I Timothy 4:10), God desires all people to be saved (I Timothy 2:3-4) and He does not wish anyone to perish (II Peter 3:9)... with that kind of character, eventhough a person does not believe in Jesus - like Shakya - that person can be saved...

* but of course, the basis of judgment is different from a believer... and yes, God can search the mind and try the heart (Jeremiah 17:9-10), only He can know if a person is truly a good person or bad... what is the basis? since the person is not a believer, God will not judge him according to his faith, but rather according to his works (James 2:24, Romans 2:13)... it does not matter if the person heard the Gospel or not, but what's more important is if he was obeying the Gospel or not...

* maybe you're next question is, how can a person know the Gospel without hearing it first? in Romans 2:15, God already wrote a law in our hearts, that's why eventhough we have not heard any law, Gospel or preaching, we know deep inside our hearts that it's wrong to kill, to steal, and to do other bad things... we have conscience...

* there are atheists that because of their culture/custom, was deprived to know the existence of God, which is obviously pardonable, God is a God of mercy and righteousness, right? but there are also atheist that really knows there is God but because of stubbornness, pride and wise in his own conceit, chooses to reject the existence of God - and that is foolish (Psalms 14:1, 53:1)... 🙂

Peejayd, are you a Mormon?

If so, can you tell me whether Mormons abide by, uphold, believe, or keep the teachings, beliefs, or messages found in the following works:

Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith
The Doctrine and Covenants
The Journal of Discourses
The Pearl of Great Price
The history of The Church

Are these considered official Mormon works as far as church doctrine, beliefs, and tenets?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Peejayd, are you a Mormon?

* no, i'm not... 😎 and as a Christian, please don't tell people if they'll go to heaven or hell --- you are not God, please understand, ok? 🙂

Originally posted by dadudemon
Did you read this powerful post?

Can you tell me whether Mormons abide by, uphold, believe, or keep the teachings, beliefs, or messages found in the following works:

Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith
The Doctrine and Covenants
The Journal of Discourses
The Pearl of Great Price
The history of The Church

Are these considered official Mormon works as far as church doctrine, beliefs, and tenets?

Originally posted by peejayd
* no, i'm not... 😎 and as a Christian, please don't tell people if they'll go to heaven or hell --- you are not God, please understand, ok? 🙂

Are you of any particular denomination?

* yes, Members Church of God International... mcgi.org...

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Are you of any particular denomination?

What is your denomination? It seems like a fair question, sense you have asked someone else that.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
What is your denomination? It seems like a fair question, sense you have asked someone else that.

I am non-denominational.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I am non-denominational.

Then you are going to hell. 😂 😛

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Then you are going to hell. 😂 😛

* THIS --- made me lol... 😆

Originally posted by peejayd
* [b]THIS --- made me lol... 😆 [/B]

Now if I can just get JIA to laugh.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Now if I can just get JIA to laugh.

I'll laugh, but not at what you posted.

😂

🙂

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I'll laugh, but not at what you posted.

😂

🙂

But it was funny. I assume you believe in direct church linage from Jesus, but you are not a member of any of the churches that might be in direct linage. That's hilarious!

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But it was funny. I assume you believe in direct church linage from Jesus, but you are not a member of any of the churches that might be in direct linage. That's hilarious!

I believe that Jesus Christ instituted the ekklesia (i.e. called out ones) or church.

I'm not sure I follow what you mean by direct lineage.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I believe that Jesus Christ instituted the [B]ekklesia (i.e. called out ones) or church.

I'm not sure I follow what you mean by direct lineage. [/B]

Well, if you are not part of the church that Jesus established (direct lineage), then you might as well be a Mormon. 😛

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Well, if you are not part of the church that Jesus established (direct lineage), then you might as well be a Mormon. 😛

No disrespect to Mormons, but I'm definitely not a Mormon.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
No disrespect to Mormons, but I'm definitely not a Mormon.

The Mormon thing was just a friendly jab.

How can you say you are going to heaven when you are not a part of the true church?