based on? and don't tell me because he was invulnerable.....
first, i'd love to see where that was actually stated (maybe at one point 70yrs ago it was mentioned, but pc kryptonians were also said to be invulnerable to all harm and seemed unaffected by pc superman's blows...but they weren't invulnerable either) but fact is kole had no problem ending pc adam with her matter manip powers and he's been easily bfr'd as well, not to mention how lightning has changed pc adam to normal. so, which feats show he has a chance of winning this at all, let alone easily?
he was weaker than pc superman (who is rarely used in the forum because of his wildly fluctuating abilities) and has been beaten by cm repeatedly. there was also that....alien? wizard? the one who got made adam look like marvel in that c-58 collector's edition which i seem to have erased from my hard drive. anyway, he easily took adam down. getting smacked around by supes and cm=/=his beating this trio at all either.
people say because he could match pc supes he was teh awesome!1! pc supes is a poor foil for anyone given the silly and inconsistent nature of his powers.
so, let's see the proof that adam takes these guys down.
Originally posted by leonidas
based on? and don't tell me because he was invulnerable.....first, i'd love to see where that was actually stated (maybe at one point 70yrs ago it was mentioned, but pc kryptonians were also said to be invulnerable to all harm and seemed unaffected by pc superman's blows...but they weren't invulnerable either) but fact is kole had no problem ending pc adam with her matter manip powers and he's been easily bfr'd as well, not to mention how lightning has changed pc adam to normal. so, which feats show he has a chance of winning this at all, let alone easily?
he was weaker than pc superman (who is rarely used in the forum because of his wildly fluctuating abilities) and has been beaten by cm repeatedly. there was also that....alien? wizard? the one who got made adam look like marvel in that c-58 collector's edition which i seem to have erased from my hard drive. anyway, he easily took adam down. getting smacked around by supes and cm=/=his beating this trio at all either.
people say because he could match pc supes he was teh awesome!1! pc supes is a poor foil for anyone given the silly and inconsistent nature of his powers.
so, let's see the proof that adam takes these guys down.
Originally posted by abhilegend
[B]Pre crisis feats
Originally posted by abhilegend
PC marvels were truly invulnerable. Here is a guy named Mr. Invincible who was powered up by literally big bang itself punching cap and cap shrugging it off.That was PIS. Cap ignored several type of matter manipulation by sivana before. PC superman was more conistent than current superman. Almost every low showing floating on internet lacks context and people do not know that superman was heavily depowered in 1971 and was reduced to planet moving levels. Ibis had the same powers as shazam, so its not a low feat and none of these guys have lightning powers as standard power set. These guys lack the ability to harm him in any way or form.
l.o.l.
first the guy was just 'tapping' the power. how much he was drawing from that 'last mass of matter' lol is anyone's guess. and i mean cap DID hit him with force enough to drop a charging rhino. i can't believe that didn't finish him. 😐 that atomic punch DID look and sound cool though. 😂
and not really. pc supes was all over the place. where did you get that he was depowered in 71 though? regardless, before that time he would struggle to hold up a city, but blow out stars. i've long contended pc supes should be banned on here. pc stuff is silly, and powers are plot driven. besides, it's REALLY of no relevance since even that 'depowered' superman was stronger than adam.
as a side note--NONE of what you said is of relevance anyway--everything you showed was based on marvel, not adam. be like using ultraman to make a case for superman. you can try and say they are equivalent but they aren't. you can also try and say kole transmuting him was pis, but i don't see why it would be. where has he resisted that type of matter manip before?
of course they can harm him. ss could transmute him far more easily than kole could. he could bfr him for 100/100 as well. glads and supes have far greater speed showings than adam does and could go h2h since pc supes--after he was reduced to planetary strength according to you--was stronger than he was.
again, pc kryptonians were supposed to be invulnerable too, but they weren't. at all. adam once took the combined blow of all the marvel's in his first appearance i think, but that was overshadowed by his near equality with marvel.
it cracks me up that people jizz when they see PC in the title and assume that" no one can beat the pc!!1!" bull. crap. adam (who is a great character and doesn't need this false portrayal) loses here and his rep as an unbeatable, completely invulnerable pc character is nonsense based on feats.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
IIRC PC BA was limited to the speed of light, what is to stop Surfer from opening a portal and BFRing him to the other side of the universe?
Originally posted by abhilegend
He was FTL as to reach ROE you had to fly faster than light. As for BFR, he can use ROE to reach any point in time and space as it was the focal point of space and time.
what?? first, how do you know it takes ftl to reach the rock?? secondly, shazam bfr'd adam for what? 5000 yrs or something? where have you ever seen him use the rock like a bus stop at all places in the multiverse?
Originally posted by leonidas
l.o.l.first the guy was just 'tapping' the power. how much he was drawing from that 'last mass of matter' lol is anyone's guess. and i mean cap DID hit him with force enough to drop a charging rhino. i can't believe that didn't finish him. 😐 that atomic punch DID look and sound cool though. 😂
and not really. pc supes was all over the place. where did you get that he was depowered in 71 though? regardless, before that time he would struggle to hold up a city, but blow out stars. i've long contended pc supes should be banned on here. pc stuff is silly, and powers are plot driven. besides, it's REALLY of no relevance since even that 'depowered' superman was stronger than adam.
as a side note--NONE of what you said is of relevance anyway--everything you showed was based on marvel, not adam. be like using ultraman to make a case for superman. you can try and say they are equivalent but they aren't. you can also try and say kole transmuting him was pis, but i don't see why it would be. where has he resisted that type of matter manip before?
of course they can harm him. ss could transmute him far more easily than kole could. he could bfr him for 100/100 as well. glads and supes have far greater speed showings than adam does and could go h2h since pc supes--after he was reduced to planetary strength according to you--was stronger than he was.
again, pc kryptonians were supposed to be invulnerable too, but they weren't. at all. adam once took the combined blow of all the marvel's in his first appearance i think, but that was overshadowed by his near equality with marvel.
it cracks me up that people jizz when they see PC in the title and assume that" no one can beat the pc!!1!" bull. crap. adam (who is a great character and doesn't need this false portrayal) loses here and his rep as an unbeatable, completely invulnerable pc character is nonsense based on feats.
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Really because I remember a story where he was trapped 4000 light-years away and it took him 4000 years to get back to Earth
Originally posted by leonidas
what?? first, how do you know it takes ftl to reach the rock?? secondly, shazam bfr'd adam for what? 5000 yrs or something? where have you ever seen him use the rock like a bus stop at all places in the multiverse?
Originally posted by abhilegend
So you are speculating that he was tapping in less power because of what? No less silly then LT throwing a supernova as his "ultimate punishment". We know that he was much stronger than that. Yeah, he wasn't. Not more than today's characters. Take any character like superman tanking a sun eater exploding in 1992 and koed by a gas station in 1993. Except they had the same exact powers, the idea that egyptian gods gave adam his powers is post crisis. Read "kryptonite nevermore" storyline. And even then adam went blow for blow against superman and superman said that they are equally matched. By planetery I meant that he was able to push earth from several galaxies away in moments. You want PIS showings, how about adam armbarring surfer? He can reach any point in time and space using ROE. For a comparison the same "depowered" superman was several times more powerful than SBP and we know how does SBP ranks against top tiers of today. That isn't a fabricated stance. Adam was never physically harmed in his career and isn't going to be harmed here either. Tell me the way they are beating him, except your rant that "he isn't invulnerable" despite proofs to the contrary.
"proofs to the contrary?" please, show all these proofs.
lt like any abstract uses an m-body. m-bodies can vary in the amount of power each possesses. perhaps that m-body didn't possess all of lt's powers. whatever. utterly irrelevant to the discussion anyway. as is....most of what you said.
adam and marvel's powers MAY have been the same, but marvel still beat him. superman was still stronger than he was. and moving planets across galaxies then struggling to lift the great pyramid. ridiculous extremes that far exceed in number and scope pis scenes of today. even the classic spidey/fl was partially explained by the author, as was bp's armbar--ss ALLOWED the armbar, as was shown on the next page because he wanted to hear bp out. mcduffie explained it in an interview somewhere as well. but again, not relevant in any way.....
so you never saw him use the rock as a bus stop i take it? he didn't use it when shazam bfr'd him easily enough....
not sure why you think pc supes>>>sbp. in some scenes maybe, in others, not at all. but that's how pc worked--power suited plot. prime was above the others but as was born out not that far above the likes of modern superman. but his defeats will likely be attributed as pis by you....
you are sorta talking out of your arse here. no reason at all to think a bfr wouldn't work 100/100. he has no speed feats that would indicate he could contend with the speed feats of modern day supes and glads. i'm absolutely in agreement that a blow that would drop a charging rhino probably wouldn't stop him but the infinite fallacy revolving around his invulnerablility is ridiculous. you think if he would have run into pc validus that invulnerability would have held up?
there is no reason at all to think ss couldn't simply transmute him aside from you saying the kole incident was pis and since he's really got no combat speed feats, seeing glads and supes use their own speed and power on him in a way that has never happened would truly test that overblown invulnerability as well. i'd love to see him even hitting someone moving at the speed modern characters do. some will simply assume they can do everything better. but that is contrary to what the forum is about. if people want to use the silly uber prtrayals to show how great they are, then the dearth of feats in certain areas and the lesser feats of those same characters are also fair game.
