Originally posted by Prep-Man
Through force and magic. BFR was his only option. IF Surfer does that, then he can win. Other than that, he can't. Stop crying about it.And we have stated more than one feat. Deal.
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really? care to recap for me all the feats that were displayed for adam? go ahead. i'll wait.....
Originally posted by Prep-Man
Cap and Superman are above the 3 above, anyway. Plus DC neutered the Marvel family once they got a hold of them from Fawcettt. Which is why I asked if we are to use their true invulnerability self or the watered down selves.
Well, I'd imagine that "Pre-Crisis Black Adam" directly and deliberately references the Black Adam published by DC comics prior to COIE, not the Fawcett era Black Adam, who had no such crisis to begin with.
Originally posted by Prep-Man
So, is anyone going to post feats of Black Adam being harmed by force or through energy projection? Which is what the 3 above mainly use?
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seriously.
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supes and adam mostly use energy projection? too bad superman is in this since he knows adam and marvel. all he needs to do is tell ss to use lightning. fight over. 😉
care to SHOW adam tanking energy blasts that can destroy planets? there are likely NO examples of that, so neither of us can show it. difference is, you auto assume he can take ANYTHING!!!!11!
care to show him resisting matter manip? how about some combat speed feats that would make me think he could even TOUCH glads and supes? show ANYTHING aside from an 80yr scan of his first appearance that you have used to make your ENTIRE case.....
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Well, I'd imagine that "Pre-Crisis Black Adam" directly and deliberately references the Black Adam published by DC comics prior to COIE, not the Fawcett era Black Adam, who had no such crisis to begin with.
PC Adam still had his invulnerability from the start, until DC watered him down a bit, but being harmed by BOTH Billy and superman is nothing to sneeze at.
Adam also once gathered all the lightning in the world as a weapon as well.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Well, I'd imagine that "Pre-Crisis Black Adam" directly and deliberately references the Black Adam published by DC comics prior to COIE, not the Fawcett era Black Adam, who had no such crisis to begin with.
pretty sure that is how it was meant. the other adam had only that single appearance i think.... if it's that PARTICULAR version of adam that is being used, i withdraw my posts. there simply isn't enough info to go on with that character. and it's so old and silly that it is stupid to use that character anyway.
Originally posted by leonidas
soooo....still nothing for adam as regards feats? no scan that says he is 'invulnerable' to all harm?and I'M speculating? 😂 really? you said he was powered by THE BIG BANG! that's actually carver-esque in it's falsity. he TAPPED (an unspecified amount of power) from a 'mass of matter' lol that seemed powerful. that's it. nothing more nothing less.
well, according to you a low showing is the kole showing but i don't see it as pis at all. ibis handled him effortlessly even though shazam was forced to bfr him somehow. supes was stronger than him. supes and marvel smacked him around. maybe not a low showing there, but had he not fled they would have taken him out for sureso much for his being invulnerable.....
anyhow, my point stands--there is no reason--certainly nothing on panel--that would suggest the trio can't beat him in this fight. true, he is likely stronger than glads and supes, but their speed combat feats would make up for that. couple in ss's versatility and i don't see adam having a chance here. the dearth of feats he has would be more than enough to cripple most characters in the forum, but because he is "pc" he is automatically assumed to be uber. that is blatantly false.
What proof do you have this team can take PC Black Adam? Glads is a punching bag, supes is bout on par with glads in all catagories, mabey a little greater. And all ss is going to be there for is weakness exploitation and energy attacks, in which adam is highly resistant to. And dont bring up the speed crap becasue they are not fast enough to speed blitz him good lord. I believe supes and glads are a bit faster not much but to think that the team is going to use their speed to combat ba is stupid. Thor on a regular basis defeats SS and is no speedster like adam.
Instead of asking us for proof why we think adam wins why dont you give us some proof showing us your team wins. 🙂
Originally posted by zeel
What proof do you have this team can take PC Black Adam? Glads is a punching bag, supes is bout on par with glads in all catagories, mabey a little greater. And all ss is going to be there for is weakness exploitation and energy attacks, in which adam is highly resistant to.Instead of asking us for proof why we think adam wins why dont you give us some proff showing us your team wins. 🙂
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if you were paying attention i DID already. bfr worked on him. someone says it won't but no scans to support it. kole transmuted him. ss>>>>>>>kole. so, show him RESISTING transmutation or....adam loses. 🙂
i say supes and glads could also slug it out with him--especially with their nano-second combat feats. show adam's combat speed feats or....adam loses. 🙂 hell, show him hitting someone who can move ftl.
no feats=adam loses. but feel free to show these feats that contradict my points. cuz, someone must be able to, right, for everyone to assume adam wins.....?
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
What do you think the bare minimum level of power needed to harm PC Black Adam even constitutes as?
There's nothing.
He would literally have to be erased by the writer.
The Marvels, at least under Fawcett, were completely indestructible, said time and time again on panel and shown by feats.
Hell, they were so durable they could exist in a plane where no matter could exist at all--A realm called Infinity, existing outside of the universe. It was completely pitch black, and they were assumed to have died when they went into it, and yet, when we see them were completely fine and conscious.
PC Adam wins.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
There's nothing.He would literally have to be erased by the writer.
The Marvels, at least under Fawcett, were completely indestructible, said time and time again on panel and shown by feats.
Hell, they were so durable they could exist in a plane where no matter could exist at all--A realm called Infinity, existing outside of the universe. It was completely pitch black, and they were assumed to have died when they went into it, and yet, when we see them were completely fine and conscious.
PC Adam wins.
and i could ask whose word do we have that 'nothing could exist in it'? what else did it destroy? but it would be useless. the sheer silliness of naming a void 'infinity' then saying it 'destroys everything in it' is enough. and that is how it SHOULD have been back then. we hold things--even comics--to far greater levels of scrutiny now though.
those golden age characters simply can not be compared to todays characters in any meaningful way.
Originally posted by leonidas
soooo....still nothing for adam as regards feats? no scan that says he is 'invulnerable' to all harm?
Ok, but keep in mind that adam only had 10 appearances before crisis.
So just say that his original story where he tanked all three marvels' shots was still canon
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Shazam_28_06.jpg
Since shazam couldn't destroy him, he banished adam to the farthest star which essentially means the edge of the universe and adam returned after 5000 years.
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Pre-crisis/Shazam_28_12.jpg
Cap vs adam where they both couldn't harm each other. Also FTL travel and adam time-travels on his own using ROE
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Pre-crisis/Shazam_28_21.jpg
and I'M speculating? 😂 really? you said he was powered by THE BIG BANG! that's actually carver-esque in it's falsity. he TAPPED (an unspecified amount of power) from a 'mass of matter' lol that seemed powerful. that's it. nothing more nothing less.
Yeah he tapped the power of the energy that fuels everything in the universe and directly said that if Cap somehow destroyed him everything would perish and cap noted that people were listless and sun was also dim.
For ****'s sake, this is like arguing with quan. Even with proof that he was directly tapping an energy that fuels entire universe and everyone and everything seemed drained by it, we're arguing that he wasn't that powerful because cap who was always holding back then initially used a punch which could drop a rhino! I mean the guy tanked cap's best blow without even flinching and we know that cap was equal to superman in strength, who however you might want to lowball is still the strongest superhero by feats as you are trying to use here.
well, according to you a low showing is the kole showing but i don't see it as pis at all.
He was on earth-4
and according to shazam marvels lost their powers in any other universe as rapidly as superman lost under a red sun
So, no low showing at all.
Now if I recall correctly ibis handled him effortlessly even though shazam was forced to bfr him somehow.
supes was stronger than him. supes and marvel smacked him around.
Superman is always stronger than everyone and again that was on earth one, so they were again weakened and that's how cap could feel adam's punches.
maybe not a low showing there, but had he not fled they would have taken him out for sure--so much for his being invulnerable.....
He was weakening and even then took superman's best punch. Not bad at all.
anyhow, my point stands--there is no reason--certainly nothing on panel--that would suggest the trio can't beat him in this fight.
true, he is likely stronger than glads and supes, but their speed combat feats would make up for that.
couple in ss's versatility and i don't see adam having a chance here.
the dearth of feats he has would be more than enough to cripple most characters in the forum, but because he is "pc" he is automatically assumed to be uber. that is blatantly false.
Not entirely true. He's only 10 appearances before crisis. That's not enough for someone like him to collect feats, but his level was shown time and time again that he was superman and cap's equal in power.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Ok, but keep in mind that adam only had 10 appearances before crisis.So just say that his original story where he tanked all three marvels' shots was still canon
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Shazam_28_06.jpg
Since shazam couldn't destroy him, he banished adam to the farthest star which essentially means the edge of the universe and adam returned after 5000 years.
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k508/abhilegend/Pre-crisis/Shazam_28_12.jpg
Cap vs adam where they both couldn't harm each other. Also FTL travel and adam time-travels on his own using ROE
so you've said, but still not shown....and..... Yeah he tapped the power
so, how much did he 'tap'? any idea? obviously not the whole thing for reasons that are self-evident. so....how much? YOU said he was powered up by the BIG BANG, not me. if it's not true don't say it and people won't call you out on it. 🙂
For ****'s sake, this is like arguing with quan. Even with proof that he was directly tapping an energy that fuels entire universe and everyone and everything seemed drained by it, we're arguing that he wasn't that powerful because cap who was always holding back then initially used a punch which could drop a rhino! I mean the guy tanked cap's best blow without even flinching and we know that cap was equal to superman in strength, who however you might want to lowball is still the strongest superhero by feats as you are trying to use here.
he wasn't as strong as even your depowered superman, unfortunately. and where did i say this golden age gem mr invincible wasn't powerful....? he just wasn't powerful enough to hurt cm, though he really didn't try very hard.... and you keep comparing him to marvel--wasn't there an incident where marvel had to restore the earth's rotation while fighting the monster society maybe?? and cm actually needed mary's (who was close to cm himself in power) to do it?? that doesn't sound too great....
and according to shazam marvels lost their powers in any other universe as rapidly as superman lost under a red sunSo, no low showing at all.
yeah, i've seen that. while i wonder at how true that was at the time of crisis (i suspect that particular weakness was no longer evident at all, for adam or marvel....) it doesn't help here since all the team would need to do is bfr him to some other universe, a fact superman would know.
By lightning, yes. By direct fight, no.
too bad supes knows the weakness and tells ss to hit him with lightning and ends the battle without having to transmute him.....
Superman is always stronger than everyone and again that was on earth one, so they were again weakened and that's how cap could feel adam's punches.
sure, because he was weakening. so, how weak was he? so much speculation. so in his own universe he was what? the presence? utterly unbeatable by any being in existence? where do you draw the line at his invulnerability? infinite fallacy AGAIN, for teh failz.
Yes, it is. Its called true invulnerability.
true invulnerability, eh? called that where? so NO ONE could beat adam eh? nothing could harm him, ever. because of that single showing, you extrapolate his invulnerability to idiotic levels. i'm surprised you're pursuing this stupidity to the extent you are. i can only imagine how you'd be arguing AGAINST this in most cases.
If they fight like CBR fashion and even then adam is fast enough to keep up with them.
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i'll remember that you said superman using his combat speed feats=him fighting in cbr fashion. 👆
and based on feats, adam (who you said has hardly any) wouldn't even be able to SEE them, lol
Adam would most likely oneshot surfer here.
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Not entirely true. He's only 10 appearances before crisis. That's not enough for someone like him to collect feats, but his level was shown time and time again that he was superman and cap's equal in power.
exactly. so the lengths you are going to to try and prove something that was never really tested--certainly not by the standards of things in comics today--is kind of laughable. 😬 and if anyone attempted to use the type of abc and tangential logic you've used in this thread AGAINST you, you'd be calling them morons from the tops of the tallest mountains.
you've admitted adam has no feats to really support any stance substantially. so everything you and other claim is based purely on abc logic and miniscule amounts of evidence. and even THAT doesn't matter in a thread where even if you don't think the team can just out-power him, they STILL know all his weaknesses!
while i appreciate your dedication (and i've no doubt you were scouring books for feats to support your casue) no matter how you look at it, you've taken a largely indefensible stance. adam loses here.
