Originally posted by FinalAnswer
iirc, in 24: The Game, which is canon as far as I'm aware, didn't Jack take out a helicopter with a pistol?
Note how he is able to efficiently shoot the chopper down, and NOT drive off like a scared chump and get helplessly trapped in a tunnel from one guy 😆
Originally posted by Lestov16
So the logical reason that an “expert” F-35 pilot flew under an overpass he could clearly see was collapsing is?.........I mean cornered, as in, helplessly trapped
McClane can’t even kill him
Tell that to John Quinn 😂
You act as if Bauer would have gotten himself cornered in such a position.
Because it shows your McBias, since you’re admitting how McClane can’t shoot one guy in helicopter yet when I asked how he would be taking out [b]four
guys in helicopter, you said that McClane would effortlessly “shoot them” 😂😆 Not even in the same league, hell, the same continent as the “Retard Amateur Factor” of the Dhverse, where “expert” F-35 pilots fly under overpasses that they can directly see as crumbling 😆
Bauer runs circles around McClane in quick-thinking. In 20 minutes plans out and executes the flawless kidnapping of a former POTUS and “neutralizing the threat” of the POTUS’s Secret service staff (far more dangerous than one chump in a helicopter) in a far more epic manner than McClane’s wimpy car launch, 15 minutes later perpetrated the utter slaughter of a Russian delegate and his entire security staff (after receiving a stab wound ), and then 1 hour later planned out the flawless execution of one of the most powerful men on the planet. That is a fact.
Can be said even more so for Saunder’s copter in Day 3, so your hypocritical claims of “McClane will easily shoot them”, despite the fact that he couldn’t even shoot the one guy shooting at him, are incorrect and moot. Why do you say this? Because you are massive Bauer downplayer. It’s your only tactic [/B]
He was given orders to take out a serious threat; he was following them.
McClane wasn't "helpless" either, as he got himself out of the situation without calling in for help. He didn't have a "Tony, save me!" option.
Squirrel-Boy died later, so McClane obvious did kill him.
Now you're claiming Bauer launches a car into the air like a missile? Come on. Don't make me slap you down once again when I've wacthed that season. You've been flat-out wrong or masturbated all of Bauer's feats thus far.
You act as if Bauer's never been cornered before and helpless. When he has, I've mentioned two scenes already.
You're right, McClane can't shoot two guys with machine-guns in a flying helicopter while he's driving, trying to keep someone alive and he's out of bullets. Duh.
Incorrect.
Incorrect, it's been shown where Bauer has prep many a time.
Repeat: You're right, McClane can't shoot two guys with machine-guns in a flying helicopter while he's driving, trying to keep someone alive and he's out of bullets. Duh.
If that's the maneuver he does when "taking out a serious threat", it only confirms the firmly established "Retarded Amateur Factor"
He was helpless or else he wouldn't have had to seek cover in a tunnel
Later.
He has feats of resourcefulness equivalent to it, so yes. I'm saying, based off feats, he can. And haven't been wrong about any of Bauer's feats
😆 at your McBias. you act like McClane has never been trapped helpless, like when Simple Simon captured him
Which is why here, at 0:20, YouTube video, when McClane had bullets, he didn't use his supposed instakill accuracy to take out his gun and headshot everyone in the chopper, like Rambo did to the Burmese pilots, but instead, drove off, running away like a chump biznitch 😂
Nope, not incorrect. Terrorist had no reason to think Jack wasn't unconscious, compared to a pilot flying under and overpass he can clearly see is crumbling 😂
So what? He's a master of prep and he can improvise on the fly. Another talent he has that McAmatuer sorely lacks. Just cause he's prepped in the past doesn't make his Day 8 rampage improvisation any less viable
Originally posted by Lestov16
If that's the maneuver he does when "taking out a serious threat", it only confirms the firmly established "Retarded Amateur Factor"He was helpless or else he wouldn't have had to seek cover in a tunnel
Later.
He has feats of resourcefulness equivalent to it, so yes. I'm saying, based off feats, he can. And haven't been wrong about any of Bauer's feats
😆 at your McBias. you act like McClane has never been trapped helpless, like when Simple Simon captured him
Which is why here, at 0:20, YouTube video, when McClane had bullets, he didn't use his supposed instakill accuracy to take out his gun and headshot everyone in the chopper, like Rambo did to the Burmese pilots, but instead, drove off, running away like a chump biznitch 😂
Nope, not incorrect. Terrorist had no reason to think Jack wasn't unconscious, compared to a pilot flying under and overpass he can [b]clearly see
is crumbling 😂So what? He's a master of prep and he can improvise on the fly. Another talent he has that McAmatuer sorely lacks. Just cause he's prepped in the past doesn't make his Day 8 rampage improvisation any less viable [/B]
Launching a car like a missile isn't "retarded" or "amateur".
You don't understand what "helpless" means, as he obviously wasn't. Now if he coulnd't save himself and had to call in for help ala Bauer's repeated "Tony, save me!" tactics, that would be being in a "helpless" situation.
No, you don't get to apply fantastical feats to Bauer cos you like him better. He's not launching cars like missiles.
Now you're strawmanning it up, no one said McClane has "instakill accuracy", he is a good shot though.
You were incorrect, stop constantly changing the issue.
LoL, so first it's "Bauer doesn't have prep"; when shown how Bauer has prep many a time, you change it to "Bauer's a master of prep". Damn, dude. Granted, Bauer is good when he has prep, but the thing is, in the Diehard Universe you don't get that luxury often; why on-the-fly thinkers like McClane excel there and to be exactly back on topic, why Bauer would die in the DH-Verse. No prep; no Tony to call.
But based on his defeat of John Quinn, it's certain that Bauer could and would replicate the feat
Yes, Bauer was really helpless when he was slaughtering the US-Russian Consulate 😂
So I can't apply fantastical feats to Bauer, based on feats that show he can do similar, yet you are positively certain that McClane would "easily shoot " all the guys in Saunder's chopper, despite the fact he has no such feats of accuracy. Classic McBias 😆
Also, like I said, you see the Classic Retard Amatuer factor at work here, where McClane would decide, like a dumbass, that engaging the helicopter is more efficient than calling in an airstrike. You'd think a resourceful guy would, you know, use his resources if they're available to him, but like I said, he comes from a universe full of morons, so....
Good enough to one-man raid terrorist compounds and consulates? NO.
😆 "Stop changing the subject." I find it hilarious that you are so desperately clinging to your McBias that when I show perfect evidence of the proven, firmly established "Retarded Amateur Factor", you ignore it as unimportant
Bauer outclasses McClane massively in the "On the Fly thinking"department. McClane takes 12 hours just to clear a single building with 10 wannabe terrorists. Bauer one-man raids terrorist compounds and consulates on an hourly basis. Bauer would destroy the DHverse with his awesomeness. Hell, Simple Simon is going to outright be giving him evidence so it's not even like Bauer will be putting in any effort 😂
Originally posted by Lestov16
But based on his defeat of John Quinn, it's certain that Bauer could and would replicate the featYes, Bauer was really helpless when he was slaughtering the US-Russian Consulate 😂
So I can't apply fantastical feats to Bauer, based on feats that show he can do similar, yet you are positively certain that McClane would "easily shoot " all the guys in Saunder's chopper, despite the fact he has no such feats of accuracy. Classic McBias 😆
Also, like I said, you see the Classic Retard Amatuer factor at work here, where McClane would decide, like a dumbass, that engaging the helicopter is more efficient than calling in an airstrike. You'd think a resourceful guy would, you know, use his resources if they're available to him, but like I said, he comes from a universe full of morons, so....
Good enough to one-man raid terrorist compounds and consulates? [b]NO.
😆 "Stop changing the subject." I find it hilarious that you are so desperately clinging to your McBias that when I show perfect evidence of the proven, firmly established "Retarded Amateur Factor", you ignore it as unimportant
Bauer outclasses McClane massively in the "On the Fly thinking"department. McClane takes 12 hours just to clear a single building with 10 wannabe terrorists. Bauer one-man raids terrorist compounds and consulates on an hourly basis. Bauer would destroy the DHverse with his awesomeness. Hell, Simple Simon is going to outright be giving him evidence so it's not even like Bauer will be putting in any effort 😂 [/B]
Again, I'll likely prove it wrong once I get there.
See, another non sequitur when something is shown you can't cope with. McClane was not "helpless" in that scene. Stop dancing and deal with it.
Because Bauer isn't a cartoony character like McClane. That's why. There's no bias.
What are you talking about? Farrel was in immediate danger from two airborne machine-gun men, fleeing in a car was the most sensible thing to do. Bauer would likely have done the same. The fantastic bits that followed, Bauer couldn't do, ergo he'd die in the DH-Verse.
More non sequitur.
Not sure why you're laughing, you pull the non sequitur response and try to deflect when something you don't like is pointed out; you do it a lot.
Incorrect; as shown and admitted by you after some juggling. Bauer needs prep many a time to accomplish his goals. Bauer can't handle the Diehards.
Originally posted by Robtard
Again, I'll likely downplay it once I get there.
Yes.
Originally posted by Robtard
See, another non sequitur when something is shown you can't cope with. McClane was not "helpless" in that scene. Stop dancing and deal with it.
See, another non sequitur when something is shown that you can't cope with. Bauer has feats that prove that he could have handled that situation just as fine as McClane did
Originally posted by Robtard
Because Bauer isn't a cartoony character like McClane. That's why.
Yes. Nothing cartoonish about a guy withstanding months of torture out of sheer willpower and then the day he come backs kills 50 people in a day in a far more badass manner than McClane, who takes 12 hours to clear one building with 10 wannabe terrorists 😂
Originally posted by Robtard
What are you talking about? Farrel was in immediate danger from two airborne machine-gun men, fleeing in a car was the most sensible thing to do. Bauer would likely have done the same. The fantastic bits that followed, Bauer couldn't do, ergo he'd die in the DH-Verse.
Yet you claim McClane would easily shoot all the guys in Saunder's helicopter 😂
Originally posted by Robtard
More non sequitur.
😆 Once again, Mcbiased Downplaying. Stop ignoring the fact that Jack takes out terrorist compounds and consulate on an hourly basis, whereas it takes McAmateur 12 hours to clear a building with 10 wannabes
Originally posted by Robtard
Not sure why you're laughing, you pull the non sequitur response and try to deflect when something you don't like is pointed out; you do it a lot.
😆 In response to me certifiably proving the "Retarded Amateur Factor", you told me that the dude who got his throat eaten was stupid. I proved that he wasn't stupid and that doesn't compare to the major "Retard Amateur Factor" in effect in the DHverse, and since I proved you wrong, you went into pure McBias mode
Originally posted by Robtard
Incorrect; as shown and admitted by you after some juggling. Bauer needs prep many a time to accomplish his goals.
Tell that to Logan's motorcade, or Mikhail Nokavich 😆
Originally posted by Robtard
Bauer can't handle the Diehards.
Really?
Die Hard 1: Chumps
DH2: Bauer's taken on commandos before.
DH3: Bauer spits in Simon's face and jokingly refers to him as "Wannabe Habib" 😂
DH4: Bauer spits in Gabriel's face and calls him "Wannabe Dubaku" 😂
Originally posted by Robtard
If you're just going to counter every single one of my arguments, use feats that certifiably prove Bauer outclasses McClane and could easily take on his mediocre villains, considering he's taken on far worse threats, and point out my hypocritical non sequitur responses when I'm accusing you (despite the fact that it's not what you're doing at all), I'm going to completely run out of arguments (a non-sequitur argument in and of itself to ignore the fact that I can't counter any of the arguments or back up any of the claims I just made 😂 )
Yes 🙂
Originally posted by Lestov16
YouTube videoNote how he is able to efficiently shoot the chopper down, and [b]NOT
drive off like a scared chump and get helplessly trapped in a tunnel from one guy 😆 [/B]
Thats nothing.
Oh this is cool too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO14wHAXtTo
I did look for vids of famous 24 scenes that people were inspired to recreate in other games, but whaddya know....there were none.
Oh. In that case, I'm pretty sure Bauer can replicate that easily. He's shown proficiency in hijacking and flying helicopters and was able to outrace an F-35 with a jumbo jet he hijacked (some improvisation for Mcbiased Bauer-Downplayers who claim he always needs prep 😂 ), so that is quite unimpressive.
Don't worry, I accepted your concession a long time ago. Bauer massacres the DHverse's amateurs, since he's taken on far worse threats.
As for not having the minerals, one guy takes 20 months of torture out of sheer willpower and then the day he comes back kills 50 people. The other guy has to takes 12 hours to clear one building with 10 wannabes and has to take a time out because there is glass in his foot 😂
Of course, you've failed to mention how McClane will be surviving any Day of 24....
Nah he hasnt. And certainly not as he hasnt got any non-EU feats.
(All of which are trumped by McClane EU.)
McClane has his Zippo.... Bauer has zip.
"Yippeekaiyaaaaaaay Kemosabe" (As the awful TV edit version once went)
At least McClane took those couple of minutes out of all those hours of movie screentime for good reason, before coming back and killing all involved, often in ingenious and entertaining ways..
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Nah he hasnt. And certainly not as he hasnt got any non-EU feats.
More McBiased Gimping I see 😂
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
(All of which are trumped by McClane EU.)
😂
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
McClane has his Zippo....
And don't forget his time outs. McClane definitely needs his time outs 😂
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
"Yippeekaiyaaaaaaay Kemosabe" (As the awful TV edit version once went)
Who did he say that to? A petty thief/ wannabe terrorist whom it took McClane 12 hours to stop 😆 Bauer would have saved the world twice in that time period.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
At least McClane took those couple of minutes out of all those hours of movie screentime for good reason, before coming back and killing all involved, often in ingenious and entertaining ways..
😆 Once again, McBias reigns supreme, considering that such can easily describe Bauer just as well