Avengers vs X-Men First Class
Thor
Hulk
Iron Man
Captain America
Black Widow
Hawkeye
vs
Xavier
Magneto
Beast
Mystique
Havoc
Banshee
Fight in New York City. Most civilians have either taken cover or been evacuated.
Remember it's First Class. So it's the young Magneto and Xavier. This should be considered when mentioning feats.
So you all think Xavier and Magneto defeat the team themselves??
Remember it's Young Xavier. He could not hold Sebastian Shaw for long because he was too powerful. So I'm guessing it would be more difficult to do that to Hulk and Thor.
Also I'm sure "numbers" cause him problems, as he couldn't simply freeze all the navy's personnel minds to stop them firing those missiles at him and the other mutants.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Didn't he freeze a building at one point? Or was it just that one guy?
Wasn't made clear how many people it was.
We know it was at least 2 people. The one drinking water, and a guy walking down the hall in the background.
Chances are it was more than 2, but no evidence that it was the whole building.
If it was he'd have had no problem stopping the Navy firing those missiles.
But I think the important thing to note is he had trouble holding Shaw by himself because he was too powerful. I'm guessing Thor or Hulk might also be too powerful.
My first thought is something along the lines of Xavier mental reduces the Avengers to a comatose stat or makes them think they are little girls.
How ever even older Xavier had trouble with certain minds. You know minds that didn't want to be read or memories locked behind fear or anger.
What I'm getting at is that its possible that the Hulk would resistant being as he is an enormous green rage monster and all.
Thor is also another oddity in that being Asgardian. Xavier powers may not effect him the way they do humans if at all.
Also being more aggressive the Avengers may be faster on the draw the Xavier. As in he may get an arrow, bullet, shield, hammer, or repulsor beam to the head before he can complete a thought.
All in all though I'm leaning X-Men. Unless the Avengers get lucky or have members that can resist Xavier mental incursions. Which with out feats can't be proved.
I don't see why we can't assume Xavier would be viable against Hulk considering how Loki effectively was controlling him, was he not?
The debate is basically Thor and Hulk vs Magneto and Xavier. The rest are non-factors.
Question: Has Magneto ever been able to control Mjolnir in 616? Obviously, he can't pick it up physically but with his telekinetic powers?
Though Xavier is really the only one who could stand against Hulk imo. He is only wearing shorts, so theres no metal on him like there is on Thor. Though Loki was controlling Hulk while he was in Banner form, once he goes Hulk, I am not sure what could control him. Xavier is iffy, but I am leaning towards at least deflecting his attention. The problem is, Xavier is young. If he had been older I would have said he owns the Avengers in seconds, but he is 20 something I believe.
His powers aren't all that much weaker compared to the Picard version; he had no problem altering his girlfriend's memories to the point she couldn't remember much of all with everything that happened from their first meeting to the film's end.
So Xavier McMurphys Hulk and Hulk spends his days a drooling idiot, since he doesn't have a giant Indian to put him out of his misery. I'd also imagine being calmed down to that level would revert Hulk.
Originally posted by Robtard
Xavier solos, it's just six minds. I don't want to hear any of this "Hulk's too angry to be mind-controlled and Thor's helmet will protect him" Avengers-Fanboy nonsense.
I for one certainly wouldn't use arguments like that.
But what makes me think they might be an issue for him is that he couldn't hold Shaw for long because he was too powerful.
Surely then Hulk and Thor combined would also be too powerful.
Originally posted by Robtard
His powers aren't all that much weaker compared to the Picard version;
I have to disagree here. The Picard version froze an entire maul with ease. He also possessed Sabertooth and Toad simultaneously.
Whilst the young version could only freeze Shaw for so long and he also seemed helpless to stop the Navy wiping them all out.
So clearly numbers and power of opponent(s) limit young Mr. X.
since this isn't Jean Luc Picard Xavier who would solo.. however this is 1st class Chuckles who said himself he had trouble keeping Shaw in place so very very doubtful he can hold Thor or Hulk for too long if at all.
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Mystigue is a hot piece if eye candy and thats it(but I will assume in 1st Class 2 she will show similar skills that Mystigue did in the original trilogy)
Banshee will scream which should take out Cap, Barton and Widow but thats it..
Havok certainly is not his comic book counterpart , his abilities won;t do anything to Thor, Hulk, Cap or Stark..
Beast, I said in another thread that he doesn;t have the necessary skills to defeat Cap, nor does he have the necessary skills to defeat the rests of the avengers..
Magneto has a shot, but will eventually be overwhelmed and then KO'd
all in all Thor, Hulk solo, Stark does as well..
Originally posted by BruceSkywalkerall in all Thor, Hulk solo, Stark does as well..
Well Magneto would at least render Stark's suit useless.
Originally posted by BruceSkywalkerHavok certainly is not his comic book counterpart , his abilities won;t do anything to Thor, Hulk, Cap or Stark..
Perhaps not one on one. But while they are fighting Magneto and resisting Xavier, continuous shot from Havoc could prove deadly.
He does pack some serious power.