Avengers vs X-Men First Class

Originally posted by Firefly218
I'm saying Hulk would be harder to control because of his enormous rage. Xavier appealed to Magneto by using logic. Xavier told Magneto that he was gonna die and that there were more mutants out there, he wasn't the only one.

Again you haven't yet proven rage inhibits Xaviers telepathy. Magneto knew he needed the helmet to stop Xavier. And lets not forget Shaw was EXTREMELY powerful. And Xavier still managed to hold him for long enough.

So id say even if Xavier can't control Hulk, he should be able to freeze him for the duration of the fight.

Problem in that scenario is Thor will clean house. Xavier really needs to mind control either Hulk or Thor.

Can Xavier TP animals? If not, no way in hell is he TPing the extraterrestrial Thor

He TP wolverine, sabertooth, and toad

Those aren't animals. They are mutated humans. Has he ever TPed, say, a dog?

Originally posted by Utrigita
Xavier wasn't there...

Xavier still managed to get captured and manipulated by Stryker.

Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
Xavier still managed to get captured and manipulated by Stryker.

Was a surprise mechanical attack trap. Knock out gas just came out while he was visiting Eric. There was simply no one to freeze.

Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
Xavier still managed to get captured and manipulated by Stryker.

He got captured because of the knockout gas and because Xavier doesn't go around reading the mind of everyone he encounters. And Stryker only managed to manipulate Xavier because he restricted his power until Jason had trapped Xavier, when Xavier broke free (because of Storm freezing the room), Jason couldn't do anything to Xavier.

^ Yeah it was all basically a plot device to get Xavier captured. Because they know otherwise Xavier could just freeze all the soldiers who came to the mansion, read everyone's minds, find out what's going on, and telepathically stop it all.

The plot device in the first X-Men was Mystique sabotaging Cerebro to put Xavier in a coma.

In the 3rd they just had Jean being more powerful and killing him.

But bascially until First Class, there needed to be a plot device in each movie to get Xavier out of the way, because otherwsie the X-Men just win in an instance.

Excellent observation 👆

Saw FC again and noticed one thing about Charles having trouble holding on to Shaw- He was in a room designed to keep out telepaths. It was only Shaw smashing Eric around, breaking chunks of the glass which allowed Charles to even look into the room. So that was most likely a big factor in Charles only having a temporary hold onto Shaw.

Interesting...