Jack Bauer vs John McClane

Originally posted by Lestov16
Also, I find your H2H argument hilarious. You try to have it both ways. First you say McClane was just an average guy and anyone can get WTFpwned by Mai Lihn's hits, but then you reverse and in the same sentence try to say McClane is this invincible juggernaut who can tank anything,.....which is of course false, given that he got WTFpwned by Mai Lihn's hit

McCirclejerk logic here folks,....

Strawmanning it yet again.

I said it doesn't take a giant to drop someone via a kick in the face. I said McClane's durability is loony toons, cos surviving the explosions he has is just that.

So in your opinion, being knocked down from a hit (kick to the face or otherwise) is being "WTFpwned"?

Tony is the man whom Bauer cannot survive without..

Originally posted by Robtard
Strawmanning it yet again.

You've used the tactic many times before, so no one's surprised you are employing it yet again

Originally posted by Robtard
I said it doesn't take a giant to drop someone via a kick in the face. I said McClane's durability is loony toons, cos surviving the explosions he has is just that.

😆 You don't even realize the contradiction within your own post. If McClane has "loony toons durability", then he is not an average joe "somebody" who can get dropped via a kick from a far smaller opponent

Originally posted by Robtard
So in your opinion, being knocked down from a hit (kick to the face or otherwise) is being "WTFpwned"?

Maybe. Maybe not. What I don't consider to be WTFpwned is weaksauce Van-Zan level punches that can't even keep a person of small body mass unconscious 😆

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Tony is the man whom Bauer cannot survive without..

Considering Jack survived just fine without him in Redemption, it would seem like you are making up baseless McBullshit

Originally posted by Lestov16
You've used the tactic many times before, so no one's surprised you are employing it yet again

😆 You don't even realize the contradiction within your own post. If McClane has "loony toons durability", then he is not an average joe "somebody" who can get dropped via a kick from a far smaller opponent

Maybe. Maybe not. What I [b]don't consider to be WTFpwned is weaksauce Van-Zan level punches that can't even keep a person of small body mass unconscious 😆
[/B]

So doing that "no you!" yet again when someone points out some antics of yours.

1) Because he's shown loony toon survival durability 2) Because he's not invulnerable and can be knocked down. There is no contradiction, she knocked him down, she still died in the end due to said durability.

Funny you say that, cos Bauer surprise headbutted Nina and couldn't even knock her out. So if McClane is "weaksauce" for only KO'ing Ninja Chick for 25 seconds via a toss into shelving, what does that say Bauer's hits? Exactly.

McClane 5 out of 6. Bauer 1 out of 6.

She died due to being an amateur who didn't shoot him in the head while he was down. An amateur mistake he made moments later 😆 Doesn't change that he got his ass kicked throughout the H2H match

Once again, who is this "Nina" person? We're talking about Redemption, and Bauer's neck-snapping strength that he doesn't need a staircase for

McClane 6/6 in the Feces-Eating contest

Shoot him without a gun? That would be an incredible feat. Yeah, no. Being knocked doesn't count as a loss. Being KO'd and at the mercy of your rival, that does.

Um, Nina would have existed in Redemption as a corpse who Bauer shot in the back and then in the end while she was defenseless. Likely due to lacking the power to end her with his hands, as seen with his previous weak headbutt.

You're totally transfixed on the consuming of feces, eh.

Originally posted by Robtard
Shoot him without a gun? That would be an incredible feat. Yeah, no. Being knocked doesn't count as a loss. Being KO'd and at the mercy of your rival, that does.

McClane was KOed and at her mercy. He was just lucky she was a pathetic amateur

Originally posted by Robtard
Um, Nina would have existed in Redemption as a corpse who Bauer shot in the back and then in the end while she was defenseless. Likely due to lacking the power to end her with his hands, as seen with his previous weak headbutt.

😆 Oh, I see. When I used Bauer's TV feats, it's non canon and against the rules, but if it benefits your argument, then all of a sudden, it's perfectly fine.

😂 Fine you can talk about Nina's corpse, but if you are going to talk about her corpse, you better also be prepared to talk about the 186 corpses Bauer also accumulated before Redemption as well.

Originally posted by Robtard
You're totally transfixed on the consuming of feces, eh.

It's a McClanian delicacy

Originally posted by Lestov16
McClane was KOed and at her mercy. He was just lucky she was a pathetic amateur

😆 Oh, I see. When I used Bauer's TV feats, it's non canon and against the rules, but if it benefits your argument, then all of a sudden, it's perfectly fine.

😂 Fine you can talk about Nina's corpse, but if you are going to talk about her corpse, you better also be prepared to talk about the 186 corpses Bauer also accumulated before Redemption as well.

It's a McClanian delicacy

Again, you're either downplaying or you didn't pay attention. McClane was knocked down, that is not the same as knocked out (KO'd). She was KO'd.

Strawmanning again.

Quality is better than quantity. eg Would you rather have 2 $10,000 a night hookers or 4 $150.00 a night crack-whores.

His weaksauce hits didn't KO her, considering she got back up a few second slater and kicked his oh-so-durable ass again

Oh yes. You are definitely McStrawmanning

Since Bauer outclasses McClane in both quality and quantity of kills, McClane is once again, McUnimpressive

Rubbish! She was in the land of nod for like 20 secs at least...Maybe half a minute, IIRC.... he could have killed her there and then, but for a bit of basic chivalry left in him. You cannot deny such screenfeatery..

Nope Im not at all.

What buffoonery! Are you seriously trying to bring in TV feats (EU) again..? McClane's kill count in his EU far exceed Bauers..!!! It has the advantage of many many games, and multimedia stuff that 24 never had. It is Bauer who is the unMcImpressive one.
Though you masochistically tend to his nutsack daily.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Rubbish! She was in the land of nod for like 20 secs at least...Maybe half a minute, IIRC.... he could have killed her there and then, but for a bit of basic chivalry left in him. You cannot deny such screenfeatery..

Nope Im not at all.

What buffoonery! Are you seriously trying to bring in TV feats (EU) again..? McClane's kill count in his EU far exceed Bauers..!!! It has the advantage of many many games, and multimedia stuff that 24 never had. It is Bauer who is the unMcImpressive one.
Though you masochistically tend to his nutsack daily.

😆

Wow, the McBias is overdosed in this one

Land of nod for 20-30 seconds huh? Well, let's look at the scene

http://www.hulu.com/watch/12382

First off, she was down for 12 seconds, so once again, your massive McOverhyping has been exposed.

Second off, she was unconscious because an entire cabinet of computer hardware fell on her, not from the sheer force of McClane's toss, so again your McOverhyping is blatant.

Third of all, Robtard, you claim he is so impressive because he threw her a could of feet? Well guess what, at 0:49, she, a person of lesser body mass, strength, and combat experience than Bauer, grabs McClane and throws him around like a ragdoll. So again, contradictory overhyping exposed

Note how she disarms his ass While he is trained directly on her
Note how he says "Jesus!" as she is kicking his ass 😆

And of course, note how McClane attempts to employ a computer monitor as a melee weapon at 1:52, and promptly gets disarmed and kicked the shit out of. Note that this is after his weaksauce punch and toss, so your claims of McClane being able to kill anyone with anything is, once again, massive McOverhyping.

Once again, McClane was forced to retaliate with a car because he is that weak in H2H (and melee )

Bauer, after being tortured, had the strength to break a man's neck with his legs (while being tied up), so compared to McClane's weaksauce punches and tosses that can't even keep a person of smaller body mass down, and the fact that he requires an entire staircase to break necks, it's quite clear than Bauer decimates McClane in H2H (and melee, since McClane is proven to get disarmed easily)

And proof of this? Because if we are going EU, Bauer has an entire canon book series in which he undoubtedly kills more people than McClane. And what is this multimedia McClane has that Bauer doesn't?

Bauer dominates McClane in every aspect of life 24/7 😮‍💨

He still caused that to happen man. Its just McViolence, you gimping downplayer. And it still proved your ass wrong! 😆

Caused what to happen? His own ass-kicking? 😆 It's just McClane getting owned like the McPunk Bytch that he is (in comparison to Bauer). Only thing it proved wrong was my hope that maybe after seeing the evidence your Mcbias would go away.

No. His sense of mercy inadvertantly allowed her to childishly strop when her came around from her ass kicking and come and have another go. That was then that he.....corrected her.

His sense of mercy? 😆 More hilarious McReaching to try to ignore the obvious fact that he got his ass handed to him. Once again, note his pathetic Van-Zan-level sissy slaps that can't even keep a person smaller than him down. 😂

I'm sure she felt really "corrected" after disarming his pathetic melee attempt with the monitor and kicking the shit out of him.

Once again, he was so weak and outclassed by her that the only thing he could use to effectively counter her was a SUV 😂 , so again, compared to a combat veteran like Bauer, it's obvious McClane is a McPathetic Amateur

This guy's in the land of denial. "Only 12 seconds", that counts as a KO; you could easily kill or seriously damage someone who is unconscious for 12 seconds by stomping on their head.

Yes, McClane showed mercy by turning his back on an unconscious woman, that was the point of that scene. When she paid back his mercy with more uppity behavior, he taught her another more permanent lesson.

Bauer couldn't KO Nina for 1 second let alone 12 with his surprise headbutt.

Sure. And when she violated that code by taking the michael, she was forced to hide an SUV in her Va-JayJay... All conflicts, (after McClane dolling it out, taking it, Redolling before winning) end with McClane end in and amusing and violent way.
And that chick would have handed Bauer's ass back to him with a Tazer stuffed up it with the on switch jammed to the 'on' position.

Originally posted by Robtard
This guy's in the land of denial.

Oh yes you are

Originally posted by Robtard
"Only 12 seconds", that counts as a KO

Again, it happened because of the shelf landing on her, not because of McClane's force. Again, stop with the McBiased Overhyping

Originally posted by Robtard
you could easily kill or seriously damage someone who is unconscious for 12 seconds by stomping on their head.

Once again, considering there's not going to be a shelf of hardware to fall on Bauer, McClane will be left to rely on his weaksauce Van-Zan-level punches, which of course, means that he definitely isn't going to be able to knock Bauer out for even 3 seconds

Originally posted by Robtard
Yes, McClane showed mercy by turning his back on an unconscious woman, that was the point of that scene.

"The point of the scene?" 😆 Stop with your ridiculous Mcbias. There was no "mercy" (especially considering his "I hate Kung Fu" battlecry). He was a pathetic amateur who got the ass-kicking he deserved for making such a retarded mistake

Originally posted by Robtard
When she paid back his mercy with more uppity behavior

You mean when she kicked his ass again for being a retard. 😂 McSugarcoating it does nothing

Originally posted by Robtard
, he taught her another more permanent lesson.

He retaliated with a SUV, which has nothing to do with H2H, so again, you are McSugarcoating, and your point is moot and irrelevant and only further exposes your Mcbias

Originally posted by Robtard
Bauer couldn't KO Nina for 1 second let alone 12 with his surprise headbutt.

First off, Nina has the durability to stab herself in the neck and then gun down several people, so it's due to her own superhuman durability that she survived his headbutt. Second off, if you are going to talk about her headbutt, you should also talk about the dudes from McLennen Forrester, who Bauer knocked out with one headbutt,

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Sure. And when she violated that code by taking the michael, she was forced to hide an SUV in her Va-JayJay... All conflicts, (after McClane dolling it out, taking it, Redolling before winning) end with McClane end in and amusing and violent way.

😕

............

What part of that has to do with H2H? Why are you mentioning irrelevant scenes that have nothing to do with the subject at hand? Oh well. You tell random stories about Elmer Fudd and Yogi Bear meeting, so I guess this is to be expected

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
And that chick would have handed Bauer's ass back to him with a Tazer stuffed up it with the on switch jammed to the 'on' position.

Bauer would have put up a far better fight, because unlike McChump, he's an actual experienced combatant

So yeah, again Bauer massacres McClane in H2H (and melee, since McClane is proven to be able to be disarmed easily), and really every other aspect of life.

Originally posted by Lestov16
[B]Oh yes you are

Again, it happened because of the shelf landing on her, not because of McClane's force. Again, stop with the McBiased Overhyping

Once again, considering there's not going to be a shelf of hardware to fall on Bauer, McClane will be left to rely on his weaksauce Van-Zan-level punches, which of course, means that he definitely isn't going to be able to knock Bauer out for even 3 seconds

"The point of the scene?" 😆 Stop with your ridiculous Mcbias. There was no "mercy" (especially considering his "I hate Kung Fu" battlecry). He was a pathetic amateur who got the ass-kicking he deserved for making such a retarded mistake

You mean when she kicked his ass again for being a retard. 😂 McSugarcoating it does nothing

He retaliated with a SUV, which has nothing to do with H2H, so again, you are McSugarcoating, and your point is moot and irrelevant and only further exposes your Mcbias

First off, Nina has the durability to stab herself in the neck and then gun down several people, so it's due to her own superhuman durability that she survived his headbutt. Second off, if you are going to talk about her headbutt, you should also talk about the dudes from McLennen Forrester, who Bauer knocked out with one headbutt,

More "no you!"

More downplaying, she was KO'd when he grabbed her by the collar and hammer-punches her in the face, right after he kicked her in said face; by the time he picks her up and tosses her like a rag doll, she's already limp and sleeping. What actually happened in the scene > your lies.

Yet more downplaying, you see McClane look down at her limp form and then he walks away. He could have ended her life if he wanted.

No, what I said.

He already had won the H2H fight with her being KO'd for 12+ seconds. Deal. Her dying via SUV was due to McClane's need to get back and save the kid asap. It was ingenious and a classic on-the-fly thinking of McClane's.

LoL, this guy. Nina stabbed herself in the neck with a a little syringe needle and then pretended to be seriously hurt. It was the amateurs at CTU that fell for it; had nothing to do with "superhuman durability". Just stop. Bauer's headbutt can't even KO a 115lbs woman. Deal.

Originally posted by Robtard
More downplaying, she was KO'd when he grabbed her by the collar and hammer-punch her on the face, right after he kicked her in said face;

So he did all of that damage and could only put her down for 12 seconds (with the aid of a heavy cabinet with hardware)? 😆 Wow. McClane is now officially weaker than Denton Van Zan. 😱

Originally posted by Robtard
by the time he picks her up and tosses her like a rag doll

She did the same to him, so McUnimpressive

Originally posted by Robtard
she's already limp and sleeping.

😆 What? Leak out some of that McBias, because it's not just affecting your intellectual judgement, but your sensory functions as well, because it's clear you didn't watch the scene properly. Rewatch it. After he tackles her, he says "Still awake huh?" and does his oh-so-godly-Thor-Hammer-worthy hammerpunch. She's still clearly struggling against him after that and definitely not "limp and sleeping", and only is subdued because McClane is pulling her by her long hair, a tactic I'm pretty sure he's not going to be able to employ against Bauer. She only goes unconscious after hitting the heavy cabinet with hardware that falls on her. So again, massive oceans of McBiased Overhyping reign a horrific tsunami over obvious logic 😆

Originally posted by Robtard
He already had won the H2H fight with her being KO'd for 12+ seconds. Deal.

He didn't win the H2H fight. The cabinet with software falling on her ended the first H2H fight. McClane's response to her H2H was "Jesus!" 😆

GTFO with your continuous McBiased overhyping. He "won" his 12 second KO using tactics that he is going to be unable to use against Bauer in a pure H2H setting. McClane gobbles walrus cock in H2H, and is going to be massacred by Bauer. Deal

Originally posted by Robtard
Her dying via SUV was due to McClane's need to get back and save the kid asap. It was ingenious and a classic on-the-fly thinking of McClane's.

It was because he couldn't put her down in H2H because he's a weak punk b!tch who can only deliver sissy-slaps .

Originally posted by Robtard
Just stop. Bauer's headbutt can't even KO a 115lbs woman. Deal.

😆 And now comes the illogical McStrawmanning. McClane never KOed a 115 lbs woman before, so I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. Matter of fact the only person I ever recall him headbutting was Miller from DH2, and that didn't even put Miller down, and Bauer is far above Miller. So again, all you are doing is exposing your McBias even more.

Also, again, you are ignoring the McLennen-Forester personnel who Bauer did take down with a single headbutt, ( at 25:22 if you really want to include his TV feats, since you are bringing up Nina.

No matter which way you look at it, McClane dies in any confrontation with Bauer. Deal.