Jack Bauer vs John McClane

Originally posted by Robtard
Arguable on closeness.

Bauer is without a doubt a better counter-terrorist. Only a fool would argue this.

Oh hai......

Originally posted by Casper Whitey
Bauer is without a doubt a better counter-terrorist. Only a fool would argue this.

Oh hai......

Didn't necessarily say Bauer wasn't the better CT, just argued how far above McClane he is in this department.

Originally posted by Robtard
To a person who doesn't think outside the box and doesn't factor all things, yes, it does appear that way at face value.

Didn't necessarily say Bauer wasn't the better CT, just argued how far above McClane he is in this department.

You sound mad.

Originally posted by Casper Whitey
You sound mad.

You're trying too hard. It's silly.

Originally posted by Robtard
You're trying too hard. It's silly.

Originally posted by Casper Whitey
I didn't say you ARE mad, I said you SOUND mad.

Still trying too hard. LMK when you're done and we can continue, if you like. Your call.

Originally posted by Robtard
Still trying too hard. LMK when you're done and we can continue, if you like. Your call.

Originally posted by Casper Whitey
Defense mechanism fail.

Says the guy refusing to get back on topic. But again, your call.

Originally posted by Robtard
Says the guy refusing to get back on topic. But again, your call.

Originally posted by Casper Whitey
Who's off topic? My initial post is dead on.

You are. My initial retort to part of your initial post was more grounded in logic and less in fanboyism.

Originally posted by Robtard
You are. My initial retort to part of your initial post was more grounded in logic and less in fanboyism.

Stop distracting from the issue.

Bauer doesn't stomp at four, when factoring everything in. At best he pulls a narrow win there.

Originally posted by Robtard
Stop distracting from the issue.

Bauer doesn't stomp at four, when factoring everything in. At best he pulls a narrow win there.

You're correct, When factoring everything in, Bauer rapestomps McClane in counter-terrorism. At most McClane saved the US economy. Bauer saved the world from a nuclear holocaust.

And don't give that "McClane did it alone crap", because the only reason he was able to shoot Gabriel is because Gabriel was a cocky dumbass. Justin Long had to save McClane from eating a bullet and had Gabriel just shot McClane in the face when John was lying on the ground, he would have won. Same with Simon in DH3.

Don't you dare try to give McClane wins that was clearly based off of PIS of his villains. At least Bauer actually was able to subdue his opponents

Originally posted by Lestov16
You're correct, When factoring everything in, Bauer rapestomps McClane in counter-terrorism. At most McClane saved the US economy. Bauer saved the world from a nuclear holocaust.

And don't give that "McClane did it alone crap", because the only reason he was able to shoot Gabriel is because Gabriel was a cocky dumbass. Justin Long had to save McClane from eating a bullet and had Gabriel just shot McClane in the face when John was lying on the ground, he would have won. Same with Simon in DH3.

Don't you dare try to give McClane wins that was clearly based off of PIS of his villains. At least Bauer actually was able to subdue his opponents

Originally posted by Lestov16
You're correct, When factoring everything in, Bauer rapestomps McClane in counter-terrorism. At most McClane saved the US economy. Bauer saved the world from a nuclear holocaust.

And don't give that "McClane did it alone crap", because the only reason he was able to shoot Gabriel is because Gabriel was a cocky dumbass. Justin Long had to save McClane from eating a bullet and had Gabriel just shot McClane in the face when John was lying on the ground, he would have won. Same with Simon in DH3.

Don't you dare try to give McClane wins that was clearly based off of PIS of his villains. At least Bauer actually was able to subdue his opponents

LoL, same failguments with your downplays and masturbations.

The US economy utterly and completely collapsing would affect the entire world, not just the US.

Bauer did not save the world from a nuclear holocaust. Even the military and political experts advising the POTUS said the reaction was unknown.

Stop downplaying McClane. Doing more with less matters, it matters a lot. eg What's more heroic? Saving a bus full of children from a terrorist cos you had a couple SWAT teams and the FBI supporting/helping you or going in solo and saving one child from an armed murderer?

LoL, you downplayin McClane due to PIS while ignoring that Bauer has the same PIS/CIS issues is funny. Do it some more, please.

Originally posted by Casper Whitey
Could go either way.

I disagree. Bauer kills him effortlessly. Bauer massively outclasses him in fighting skills (snaps necks with ease, both with his hands and feet, and even snapped man's neck by running up all wall). McClane had to struggle and fall down a flight to stairs to accomplish the same. McClane struggles horribly in all of his H2H fights.

Also disagree about Damage soak. Bauer has a way higher pain tolerance than McClane. The Chinese tortured him for 20 months with the intent of getting info out of him:

YouTube video

Bauer didn't say a single wordout of sheer willpower and then proceeded to kill 50 people in the 24 hours period of his return, without any rest.

In another proof of Bauer's superior durability to McClane, in LFODH, McClane was shot in the torso and fell to the ground immediately. He was only able to shoot Gabriel because Gabriel, like a dumbass, decided to carry him.
Bauer received a gunshot to roughly the same area and two knife wounds to the abdomen, and was still able to tackle a Delta Force soldier to the ground while tied up and then walk away from the scene

And of course, the face that Bauer rips out people's throats with his teeth 🙂

Originally posted by Casper Whitey
McClane.

I disagree. Bauer has shown pinpoint precision in his shots, to where he can shoot the guns out of peoples hands, shoot the locks off doors (while wearing a heavy mask), and even shoot down assault helicopters. And not that pussy "shoot-the-wire" stuff either....Alright fine, that shot McClane made was impressive, but still, doesn't change the main point. Bauer and McClane are about equal in accuracy and given that Bauer is a former black ops soldier, I believe he has the edge

Originally posted by Casper Whitey
Lol, McClane.

I disagree. Just look at LFoDH, when he tries to employ melee against Mai Lihn and gets near-instantly disarmed. McClane is only good in melee if his opponent is distracted. Bauer on the other hand has genuine melee feats of using everything in his vicinity from chains, to axes, to screwdrivers, to syringes, to backhoes, to his opponents tie, to even biting. Given how easily McClane got disarmed, I'm certain Bauer would maul him, and given that McClane doesn't get to retaliate with a vehicle after getting BFRed, I'm not seeing him win this

Originally posted by Casper Whitey
Jack Bauer, not even close.

I agree

Originally posted by Robtard
The US economy utterly and completely collapsing would affect the entire world, not just the US.

You're saying the collapse of the US economy is worse than a global nuclear holocaust? 😆 Are you retar...oh

Originally posted by Robtard
Bauer did not save the world from a nuclear holocaust. Even the military and political experts advising the POTUS said the reaction was unknown.

"Somebody contact Bauer. Tell him either he find the override, or we're looking at a nuclear holocaust"
-SecDef James Heller, 24 Day 4: 1:00pm-2:00pm

😆 Your blatant bullshit lies are quite pathetic, Rob. Quite pathetic indeed.

Originally posted by Robtard
Stop downplaying McClane. Doing more with less matters, it matters a lot. eg What's more heroic? Saving a bus full of children from a terrorist cos you had a couple SWAT teams and the FBI supporting/helping you or going in solo and saving one child from an armed murderer?

Are you saying McClane could win the 8 days with less resources than Bauer did? 😆 What a joke. Bauer took on far larger threats and thus required more resources.

Originally posted by Lestov16
You're saying the collapse of the US economy is worse than a global nuclear holocaust? 😆 Are you retar...oh

"Somebody contact Bauer. Tell him either he find the override, or we're looking at a nuclear holocaust"
-SecDef James Heller, 24 Day 4: 1:00pm-2:00pm

😆 Your blatant bullshit lies are quite pathetic, Rob. Quite pathetic indeed.

Are you saying McClane could win the 8 days with less resources than Bauer did? 😆 What a joke. Bauer took on far larger threats and thus required more resources.

Originally posted by Lestov16
You're saying the collapse of the US economy is worse than a global nuclear holocaust? 😆 Are you retar...oh

"Somebody contact Bauer. Tell him either he find the override, or we're looking at a nuclear holocaust"
-SecDef James Heller, 24 Day 4: 1:00pm-2:00pm

😆 Your blatant bullshit lies are quite pathetic, Rob. Quite pathetic indeed.

Are you saying McClane could win the 8 days with less resources than Bauer did? 😆 What a joke. Bauer took on far larger threats and thus required more resources.

Comprehension fail? There was no nuclear holocaust. (edit: thought you meant the possible foreign nuclear attack/retaliation)

Ah, you're talking about the Reactors melting and not the possibly of war. But again, you're wrong in your assessment. Bauer didn't stop that, fat Edgar at the CTU did; it was him on his computer hacking into the plants' systems. So once again you're giving Bauer credit for someone else's work. Poor form and dishonest, Lesty.

Again, comprehension fail. McClane did more with less in stopping a global economic disaster and the after-affects that would have, than Bauer did stopping the US nuclear reactor threat, which he didn't do. Edgar did, Bauer helped a bit with further help from Roger Cross and the CTU as a whole.