Thor vs WBH

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
I could be wrong, but I believe it's just a higher level of anger that gives him the "worldbreaker" power. It's basically just a madder, stronger Hulk. But this Hulk has also been drained down to human form by Tony Stark's satellites at the end of the WWH story arc, and has also died from the destruction of a planet as well, and later brought back to life thanks to a "wish". So IMO he's extremely overrated. While he is very power, he's not trans-herald, like some people claim.

You should stop saying that the Hulk died. Without 100% evidence to back this opinion you're essentially lying. Nowhere on panel did it actually show the Hulk, Betty or, Umar dying. It however showed all of the rest die (Arm'Cheddon, Bi-Beast, Wendigo, Fin Fang Foom, The Mindless Ones, and the multitude of cursed Demons). Placing too much stock into his death is a fallacy.

Originally posted by Digi
K, thanks. Sounds like a substantial push, though it also sounds like it didn't add any new powers. What gave him this power?

What made him decide to release the power was a wishing well.
He wished that he can relive the same moment over and over in the dark dimension. This allowed him to release himself willingly and 100% and become World Breaker and kill without remorse (since everyone will be brought back to life again).

Betty wished to become as powerful as Hulk. So when they collided in the air they were physical equals.

Now most here say that it was 100% of the kinetic energy of them colliding that disintegrated (yes) Wendigo, Bi-Beast, Fing Fang Foom, and a bunch of mindless ones while destroying the planet they were on. If this is the case then that makes WBH astronomically stronger than Savage Hulk. That is because him and Betty disintegrated MANY near equals from hundreds of yards away without even touching them while using only pure strength.

I (and maybe a few others) say that Hulk had some help with the gamma energies that was protruding from him and Betty in the disintegration of the others and the destruction of the planet. In other scene, before the final scene, it was shown that WBH was doing great damage to his surrounding just by him standing there and allowing the energies coming from him (mostly from his eyes) to do the damage. So when Betty and him collided not only did it convert great kinetic energy to both heat and shockwave energy but it released more of the gamma energies that was pouring from them right before they collided.

Now I can be wrong (only Pak knows the answer whether the gamma energies did a substantial part of the work). But if I'm not then either way WBH is still astronomically more powerful than your average Savage Hulk. From afar, he thunderclaped Fing Fang Foom (weighs several tons) a good distance away into Umar's indestructible barrier, cracking it. Umar is Dormannu's sister and equal, which they are seemingly omnipotent in their own realms.

To be honest, I'm super surprised you didn't close this thread due to spite. Not only did physical equals of average Savage Hulk couldn't phase him when they hit him in the face multiple times (we was seemingly invincible to ALL) but him and Betty freaking disintegrated them WITHOUT even touching them from hundreds of yards away.

Originally posted by h1a8
Basically it was revealed in the comic that already he had the power (at least since the beginning of WWH) and he never used it because he always held back out of fear of killing innocents.

What made him decide to release the power was a wishing well.
He wished that he can relive the same moment over and over in the dark dimension. This allowed him to release himself willingly and 100% and become World Breaker and kill without remorse (since everyone will be brought back to life again).

Betty wished to become as powerful as Hulk. So when they collided in the air they were physical equals.

Now most here say that it was 100% of the kinetic energy of them colliding that disintegrated (yes) Wendigo, Bi-Beast, Fing Fang Foom, and a bunch of mindless ones while destroying the planet they were on. If this is the case then that makes WBH astronomically stronger than Savage Hulk. That is because him and Betty disintegrated MANY near equals from hundreds of yards away without even touching them while using only pure strength.

I (and maybe a few others) say that Hulk had some help with the gamma energies that was protruding from him and Betty in the disintegration of the others and the destruction of the planet. In other scene, before the final scene, it was shown that WBH was doing great damage to his surrounding just by him standing there and allowing the energies coming from him (mostly from his eyes) to do the damage. So when Betty and him collided not only did it convert great kinetic energy to both heat and shockwave energy but it released more of the gamma energies that was pouring from them right before they collided.

Now I can be wrong (only Pak knows the answer whether the gamma energies did a substantial part of the work). But if I'm not then either way WBH is still astronomically more powerful than your average Savage Hulk. From afar, he thunderclaped Fing Fang Foom (weighs several tons) a good distance away into Umar's indestructible barrier, cracking it. Umar is Dormannu's sister and equal, which they are seemingly omnipotent in their own realms.

To be honest, I'm super surprised you didn't close this thread due to spite. Not only did physical equals of average Savage Hulk couldn't phase him when they hit him in the face multiple times (we was seemingly invincible to ALL) but him and Betty freaking disintegrated them WITHOUT even touching them from hundreds of yards away.

Spite's a tricky line. Thor can absorb almost anything when he puts his mind to it. Sounds like he'd lose based on this description, but he wouldn't get gamma ray t-clapped into oblivion.

I'm also not really asking for this thread. I don't really care who wins. I was just curious because of all the WBH hype.

I'm also aware of who Umar, Fin Fang Foom, and Dormammu are, but thanks for the full details.

There is no way this is spite.

Originally posted by Digi
Spite's a tricky line. Thor can absorb almost anything when he puts his mind to it. Sounds like he'd lose based on this description, but he wouldn't get gamma ray t-clapped into oblivion.

I'm also not really asking for this thread. I don't really care who wins. I was just curious because of all the WBH hype.

I'm also aware of who Umar, Fin Fang Foom, and Dormammu are, but thanks for the full details.

Hulkie Boy blows himself up and dies. Thor survives the blast with Mjolnir.

If Thor decided to fight somewhat intelligently, he'd do what Tony's satellites did to WB Hulk....just drain him. The Hulk has a long history of having his gamma radiation drained (SS anyone?) and Thor has shown to be able to drain more powerful characters than this. Plus, this Thor is amped to some unknown degree as well.

If you think this is spite, clearly you don't know what spite is.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
If Thor decided to fight somewhat intelligently, he'd do what Tony's satellites did to WB Hulk....just drain him. The Hulk has a long history of having his gamma radiation drained (SS anyone?) and Thor has shown to be able to drain more powerful characters than this. Plus, this Thor is amped to some unknown degree as well.

If you think this is spite, clearly you don't know what spite is.

Not only will Thor not even affect WBH in the slightest but WBH can kill Thor with his pinky finger without even trying.

How is this not spite? How is Thor going to survive 1 minute against him?

Originally posted by h1a8
Not only will Thor not even affect WBH in the slightest but WBH can kill Thor with his pinky finger without even trying.

How is this not spite? How is Thor going to survive 1 minute against him?

Besides the energy draining angle which I mentioned earlier, I've seen nothing to suggest to me that he's killing Thor with his pinky finger without even trying. Thor has fought the Asgardian Destroyer, Superman, and Thanos, all of whom have demonstrated superior strength feats to WBH, and none of them killed Thor without even trying. WBH shaking the eastern seaboard of one continent on a single planet doesn't quite match moving a planet the size of Jupiter, lifting infinite weight, fast-balling a black hole, etc. And Thor stood up to Superman for a while.

Also, again, this Thor is also amped. That suit allowed him to stalemate the SS WHILE INJURED. The SS is beating WBH 10/10, I don't care what anyone says.

Originally posted by h1a8
Not only will Thor not even affect WBH in the slightest but WBH can kill Thor with his pinky finger without even trying.

How is this not spite? How is Thor going to survive 1 minute against him?

There is no amount of faceplam that I could use to do justice to this post. But I will try.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris

Also, again, this Thor is also amped. That suit allowed him to stalemate the SS WHILE INJURED. The SS is beating WBH 10/10, I don't care what anyone says. [/B]

No amp was ever mentioned from the suit though. At best it provided minor protection in my opinion.

Originally posted by Damborgson
No amp was ever mentioned from the suit though. At best it provided minor protection in my opinion.

That's possible. I earlier said its unknown how the suit affected him. Even if it did amp him a little, the amp was offset by the injury IMO.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
That's possible. I earlier said its unknown how the suit affected him. Even if it did amp him a little, the amp was offset by the injury IMO.

yeah pretty much.

I would have actually preferred to see Thor fight surfer in his standard look. The space suit didn't seem very cool to me.

Originally posted by h1a8
Not only will Thor not even affect WBH in the slightest but WBH can kill Thor with his pinky finger without even trying.

How is this not spite? How is Thor going to survive 1 minute against him?

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
I could be wrong, but I believe it's just a higher level of anger that gives him the "worldbreaker" power. It's basically just a madder, stronger Hulk. But this Hulk has also been drained down to human form by Tony Stark's satellites at the end of the WWH story arc, and has also died from the destruction of a planet as well, and later brought back to life thanks to a "wish". So IMO he's extremely overrated. While he is very power, he's not trans-herald, like some people claim.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Besides the energy draining angle which I mentioned earlier, I've seen nothing to suggest to me that he's killing Thor with his pinky finger without even trying. Thor has fought the Asgardian Destroyer, Superman, and Thanos, all of whom have demonstrated superior strength feats to WBH, and none of them killed Thor without even trying. WBH shaking the eastern seaboard of one continent on a single planet doesn't quite match moving a planet the size of Jupiter, lifting infinite weight, fast-balling a black, etc. And Thor stood up to Superman for a while.

Also, again, this Thor is also amped. That suit allowed him to stalemate the SS WHILE INJURED. The SS is beating WBH 10/10, I don't care what anyone says.

Can Savage Hulk hurt Thor badly with his blows?
If so, then how do you go from using pure strength and disintegrating near equals WITHOUT touching them to not being able to kill someone with your pinky without trying? Think about it.

Only Superman has demonstrated arguable greater strength feats than WBH. But that's irrelevant to what happens in a comic. A character with an awesome strength feat doesn't mean that character is using the SAME strength in a scene of a comic. Although Gladiator busted a planet with a few blows doesn't mean when he hit Thing he was using the same force. Also, Superman isn't hitting Thor with planetary blows in a comic.

Remember he destroyed a planet and disintegrated many durable characters without touching it or them. Naija posted scans of mindless ones being so powerful that they were able to survive and work inside neutron stars, take full blasts from classic strange without harm, takes full blasts from Nova, etc.

And lay off the faulty ABC logic. Just because Rock can beat Scissors and Scissors can beat Paper doesn't mean Rock could beat Paper. And stop lowballing WBH about the eastern seaboard. It was made extremely clear in HOTM that Hulk was greatly holding back all the time (even in WWH). When the OP suggested WBH he was referring to HOTM as seen in the picture in the OP.

In conclusion, here are the things you need to argue and then you would see this as clear spite.

1. How would Thor even affect WBH in the slightest fighting Hulk in character?
2. How would Thor not be one-shot killed (or koed) from just a simple punch from WBH?

Originally posted by Damborgson
There is no amount of faceplam that I could use to do justice to this post. But I will try.

Hulk survived a force that not only destroyed a planet but also disintegrated countless mindless ones along with beings that can match an average Savage Hulk
WITHOUT freaking touching them. Multiple punches didn't even manage to move his head a millimeter.

I don't see Thor's lightning, hammer strikes, or energy blasts disintegrating Savage Hulk without freaking touching him. Thor must provide a force even greater than that since WBH survived it pretty well.

And you of all people know that Savage Hulk has the necessary strength to really hurt Thor badly. So what will a being astronomically stronger do with one blow?

Originally posted by h1a8
Hulk survived a force that not only destroyed a planet but also disintegrated countless mindless ones along with beings that can match an average Savage Hulk
WITHOUT freaking touching them. Multiple punches didn't even manage to move his head a millimeter.

I don't see Thor's lightning, hammer strikes, or energy blasts disintegrating Savage Hulk without freaking touching him. Thor must provide a force even greater than that since WBH survived it pretty well.

And you of all people know that Savage Hulk has the necessary strength to really hurt Thor badly. So what will a being astronomically stronger do with one blow?

WITH HELP. It was a shared feat and despite it being awesome doesn't give Hulk the clear cut win.

I don't see the Hulk waving his hands at Thor distergrating him either which since it was a shared feat is what he'd have to do to kill him without touching. Thor isn't being killed by a thunderclap. He's taken much worse and he can block it.

Only if Thor allows him to. If Thor doesn't want to, the Hulk will not touch him. And even if it did get up close and personal, Thor's history suggest that he isn't being take down with one hit. Much less one pinky or whatever nonsense you are saying.

If they both fight in character Hulk stomps.

Thor's no idiot though. He usually fights to normal hulk's level. He would probably be a lot more cautious of a Hulk he knew was amped to such a wild extreme. He did BFR NuL hulk for example.