Originally posted by DamborgsonThat's not a valid argument. Why can't an exploding gas station affect Black Adam when it has affected Superman?
What? 😂 You must be on something. Hulk surviving the force is just dandy. Hulk isn't able to reproduce the feat which is the point and turns the one I responded to by your part invalid.Why can Thor not affect Hulk in character when he's affected stronger opponents in character? Think H1.
Because if your argument is valid then it forces a contradiction. It gives Thor over 1 million times the power to disintegrate countless beings (even beings that can withstand the heat and pressure of being inside neutrons stars without being harmed in any way).
Well if Thor can shatter celestial armor, then what do you think will happen to the hulk's skull which is astronomically less durable?
But know this, I suspect you eat paint.
Hulk was either more durable than the Celestial or what Thor did was PIS? I can prove both. Watch.
Premises
1. Odin with all his power can't affect a Celestial.
2. Odin is astronomically more powerful than Thor.
3. Thor affected a Celestial
Conclusion Thor is more powerful than Odin.
Contradiction!
Premises
1. Thor with Mjolnir has the power to crack a Celestials shell.
2. Destroyer sliced through Mjolnir with a blast
3. Thor destroyed Mjolnir hitting Bor
4. A Celestial is more powerful than the Destroyer and Bor
Conclusion=Destroyer or Bor is more powerful than a Celestial.
Contradiction.
Thor more often than not takes on/defeats skyfather-level characters through plot.
Savage Hulk has grown from being Thor's equal in strength (70s/80s) to Thor outright admitting Hulk is stronger (Hulk annual 2001) to being overwhelmed physically (Let The Battle Begin). Merged Hulk was at base comparable to Thor and could increase from there, WWH was clearly stronger than Thor while WBH completely outclasses him.
WBH showings were consistantly high, even his "average" ones, Thor has been KO'ed a lot the last few years and against beings far weaker than WBH. He would literally need to use his powerset to it's fullest to have a chance at winning here but this isn't a powerset v powerset debate. WBH stomps.
Originally posted by h1a8
That's not a valid argument. Why can't an exploding gas station affect Black Adam when it has affected Superman?
Also it's invalid because you failed to prove that those who you are referring to are indeed greater than WBH's durability when Thor affected them.Because if your argument is valid then it forces a contradiction. It gives Thor over 1 million times the power to disintegrate countless beings (even beings that can withstand the heat and pressure of being inside neutrons stars without being harmed in any way).
Hulk was either more durable than the Celestial or what Thor did was PIS? I can prove both. Watch.
Premises
1. Odin with all his power can't affect a Celestial.
2. Odin is astronomically more powerful than Thor.
3. Thor affected a Celestial
Conclusion Thor is more powerful than Odin.
Contradiction!Premises
1. Thor with Mjolnir has the power to crack a Celestials shell.
2. Destroyer sliced through Mjolnir with a blast
3. Thor destroyed Mjolnir hitting Bor
4. A Celestial is more powerful than the Destroyer and Bor
Conclusion=Destroyer or Bor is more powerful than a Celestial.
Contradiction.
Listen you're only digging a hole for yourself, no offense. Thor has had some very impressive showings which were brought up, and those showings if carefully examined outshined characters that were clearly above his average station.
Thor that fought the Surfer would lose to WB Hulk based on the showing itself, but has showings that are in the same ballpark with WB Hulk, or even better.
However, recently Thor's showings against Tutinax, the ersatz Zodiac ripoffs, and others, have made him shine like a tarnished and oxidized silver necklace. The Thor that recently took it to the Surfer in that armor would lose badly to WB Hulk in my opinion because he would always go for the brawl, and the Hulk would always oblige him, by getting up in his face as usual. Thor would need to soul destroy (may not work on him), bfr (sure bet), or hit him with a G-blast (may not hit due to a dodge) to win this.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
.......So, essentially, what you're saying here is that HoTM Hulk is beyond the beings whom Thor has effected before which include skyfathers and beyond?
You mean in durability.
Either that or we reach a contradiction, including one's where Thor>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Odin.
Also know that in comics, character's durability and power levels fluctuate from story to story. A character shown to resist a planet destroying attack was also shown to be hurt by far less. Use common sense.
Originally posted by Stoic
Listen you're only digging a hole for yourself, no offense. Thor has had some very impressive showings which were brought up, and those showings if carefully examined outshined characters that were clearly above his average station.Thor that fought the Surfer would lose to WB Hulk based on the showing itself, but has showings that are in the same ballpark with WB Hulk, or even better.
However, recently Thor's showings against Tutinax, the ersatz Zodiac ripoffs, and others, have made him shine like a tarnished and oxidized silver necklace. The Thor that recently took it to the Surfer in that armor would lose badly to WB Hulk in my opinion because he would always go for the brawl, and the Hulk would always oblige him, by getting up in his face as usual. Thor would need to soul destroy (may not work on him), bfr (sure bet), or hit him with a G-blast (may not hit due to a dodge) to win this.
Not really. Thor has never shown the power output that's over 1 million times that of disintegrating countless uber beings while destroying a planet also.
Him affecting certain beings is an invalid argument because either Thor affected them with less power (It was low showings for them) or it was PIS (making Thor more powerful than Odin or worst).
Originally posted by h1a8
You mean in durability.Either that or we reach a contradiction, including one's where Thor>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Odin.
Also know that in comics, character's durability and power levels fluctuate from story to story. A character shown to resist a planet destroying attack was also shown to be hurt by far less. Use common sense.
So, Thor can't hurt WBH iyo, in spite of him being able to harm people further out of his weight class than WBH is.
Can King Thor hurt him? Odin? Rune King Thor?
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
For the record, I have no issues with people thinking Hulk wins if Thor fights in character (which he probably would).But, and I mean this with all due respect, only a complete idiot who knows nothing about Thor would believe that Thor, in no way, shape or form, could ever hope to harm WBH at all.
Only someone with above intelligence can know what it takes to harm WBH and then know that Thor can't achieve it.
Your mistake is that you don't know the force that WBH withstood when he collided with Betty. You are probably thinking it was just the force to destroy a planet.
Originally posted by h1a8
Not really. Thor has never shown the power output that's over 1 million times that of disintegrating countless uber beings while destroying a planet also.
Him affecting certain beings is an invalid argument because either Thor affected them with less power (It was low showings for them) or it was PIS (making Thor more powerful than Odin or worst).
So, basically, you're just going to ignore Thor's high end feats because you don't like them?
lol classic.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
So, Thor can't hurt WBH iyo, in spite of him being able to harm people further out of his weight class than WBH is.Can King Thor hurt him? Odin? Rune King Thor?
Again, character's durability fluctuate from comic to comic. Otherwise we would get contradictions, such as Thor being more powerful than Odin. You can't deny this.
Also durability doesn't equal power output.
Your argument is invalid.
Oh, solely based off the force that WBH withstood from colliding with Betty then not even King Thor, Odin, or Rune King Thor harm him directly.
If you disagree then you must have proof of those characters having a power output greater than what WBH experienced. If so then give it. I'm all ears.
Originally posted by h1a8
Again, character's durability fluctuate from comic to comic. Otherwise we would get contradictions, such as Thor being more powerful than Odin. You can't deny this.Also durability doesn't equal power output.
Your argument is invalid.Oh, solely based off the force that WBH withstood from colliding with Betty then not even King Thor, Odin, or Rune King Thor harm him directly.
If you disagree then you must have proof of those characters having a power output greater than what WBH experienced. If so then give it. I'm all ears.
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How does it feel to instantly destroy any credibility you may have had on the forum?
Originally posted by h1a8Oh, solely based off the force that WBH withstood from colliding with Betty then not even King Thor, Odin, or Rune King Thor harm him directly.
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WTF? Just when I thought I had heard it all on this site. This is better than the kid who said if Hulk was erased from reality he could punch his way back into reality.
Originally posted by Damborgsoni don't see how this is sensible
Hulk isn't able to reproduce the feat which is the point and turns the one I responded to by your part invalid.
1) since the feat wasn't quantified, for all you know that initial impact between hulk and red she-hulk could have been a lot more than it takes to completely destroy a planet, which it undeniably was as the planet itself wasn't even directly struck and a lot of force was sent towards space and not directly say, to character x's chest/face
2) i for one don't believe a blow that powerful even scaled to a 3rd is something thor wants to take on the chin, especially thor as of late, and then it goes backwards since if you're inclined to say it was a shared feat and something hulk cannot replicate, then hulk is able to shrug off a blow that powerful and not slow down in the slightest. a fist fight with that is silly to say the least
Originally posted by h1a8
That's not a valid argument. Why can't an exploding gas station affect Black Adam when it has affected Superman?
Also it's invalid because you failed to prove that those who you are referring to are indeed greater than WBH's durability when Thor affected them.Because if your argument is valid then it forces a contradiction. It gives Thor over 1 million times the power to disintegrate countless beings (even beings that can withstand the heat and pressure of being inside neutrons stars without being harmed in any way).
Hulk was either more durable than the Celestial or what Thor did was PIS? I can prove both. Watch.
Premises
1. Odin with all his power can't affect a Celestial.
2. Odin is astronomically more powerful than Thor.
3. Thor affected a Celestial
Conclusion Thor is more powerful than Odin.
Contradiction!Premises
1. Thor with Mjolnir has the power to crack a Celestials shell.
2. Destroyer sliced through Mjolnir with a blast
3. Thor destroyed Mjolnir hitting Bor
4. A Celestial is more powerful than the Destroyer and Bor
Conclusion=Destroyer or Bor is more powerful than a Celestial.
Contradiction.
What does that have to do with anything at all in any way shape or form?
So Hulk has better durability then skyfathers or abstracts? K.
ah exactly 1 million? Nice calculation.
Of course Thor's high feats are PIS. Heaven forbid Hulk's be though.
At least I know now that you are saying Hulk > Celestial durability.
H1 as fun as this is....stop.