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Your arguments..... They have not changed since the first page.
All I said was, "The "GIGA-DRAIN WINZ LUL" thing is getting old."
Also, its a field of shadows. Looking it up, I do not see anything implying a gravity well, apart from there being a planet (which obviously has one, but it is not as difficult to breach a planets for strong Force users)
Show me the exact statement where it says NOTHING can defend against that drain except for being a wound.
With TK, Nihilus TRIES to crush Luke and Sidious like bugs, but then they end up killing him.
Looking it up, he was a jedi in orbit of Malachor that survived. He was Human Male, in fact. (Wookieepedia, but it doesn't really matter, just saying I wasn't pulling it from my ass)
But that isn't the same thing.
Since Luke hasn't been killed in combat yet in the EU, could we accurately say that "canon says Luke is immortal"?
The game did not show a teachable technique to defend against Nihilus's drain. But that does not mean that canon says the only way to defend against it is being a Force wound.
Originally posted by Pwned
.......Your arguments..... They have not changed since the first page.
All I said was, "The "GIGA-DRAIN WINZ LUL" thing is getting old."
Also, its a field of shadows. Looking it up, I do not see anything implying a gravity well, apart from there being a planet (which obviously has one, but it is not as difficult to breach a planets for strong Force users)
Show me the exact statement where it says NOTHING can defend against that drain except for being a wound.
With TK, Nihilus TRIES to crush Luke and Sidious like bugs, but then they end up killing him.
Looking it up, he was a jedi in orbit of Malachor that survived. He was Human Male, in fact. (Wookieepedia, but it doesn't really matter, just saying I wasn't pulling it from my ass)
The Mass Shadow Generator is really some sort of gravity weapon. Obviously shadows didn't destroy those fleets, I mean cmon, thats just a name.
NemeBro
Nihilus casually keeps his flagship together by sheer force of will in space.
Why doesn't it collapse upon his death?
NemeBro
While also mentally enslaving those under him.
This is contextually unimpressive as EU!Sidious has mentally enthralled millions on Coruscant, billions on Byss, and the "tens of trillions" of Imperial fleet personnel.
NemeBro
I'm pretty sure large-scale TK isn't that taxing for the guy who eats planets with a word. Nihilus is less of a Sith and more like a force of nature.Also, your argument sucks. "Herp no battle TK feats" ***** please, Nihilus's feat of telekinesis is as far as my recollection goes the best here, yet you would have us believe that somehow the others can apply their telekinesis in combat better "just cuz"? **** no, feats or gtfo.
Nihilus's highest telekinetic showing comes from being empowered on a dark side nexus {Malachor V}. His manipulation of The Ravager has not, to my knowledge, been conclusively proven. His highest canonical showing of telekinesis was putting Kreia on her ass when he overthrew her with Sion's aid.
Originally posted by Pwned
Also, its a field of shadows. Looking it up, I do not see anything implying a gravity well, apart from there being a planet (which obviously has one, but it is not as difficult to breach a planets for strong Force users)
You're either a moron, or very new to Star Wars.
When a ship travels in Hyperspace, celestial bodies and planets in real space leave what's called a "Gravity shadow" - where a planet leaves it's gravity signature.
The Mass Shadow Generator was a weapon developed to be able to crush and destroy objects with the force of a planet's weight, like a naturally-occurring Gravity Shadow.
When that weapon went off, and blasted the sufrace of malachor V - one lone man tanked the blast and wrenched one of the Warships caught within the gravity well, and used it to escape.
Our Nihilus.
Originally posted by Pwned
Show me the exact statement where it says NOTHING can defend against that drain except for being a wound.
Go back and read the Canon I've posted, very carefully. 🙂
Originally posted by Pwned
With TK, Nihilus TRIES to crush Luke and Sidious like bugs, but then they end up killing him.
Random Magic ftw. 😛
Originally posted by Pwned
Looking it up, he was a jedi in orbit of Malachor that survived. He was Human Male, in fact. (Wookieepedia, but it doesn't really matter, just saying I wasn't pulling it from my ass)
Not in orbit, Retard. He was on the surface where he tanked the effects of the Mass Shadow generator - pulled a Warship from it's influence, and escaped.
Either you can't read properly, or have trouble understanding concepts. It might be #2.
Originally posted by Battlemaster
My faith in his intelligence isn't broken yet. 😉
Yeah, but he's right: there's a difference between "being a Force wound is the only known way of defending from the Force drain" and "canon states you must be a Force wound to defend against the Force drain." The former may be true; the latter, to my knowledge, definitely isn't.
Originally posted by crisis_ryitua
Yeah, but he's right: there's a difference between "being a Force wound is the only known way of defending from the Force drain" and "canon states you must be a Force wound to defend against the Force drain." The former may be true; the latter, to my knowledge, definitely isn't.
It would take me a while to go back and find a quote.
I'll just stick with Canon for now. 😛
Edit: Canon displays that it's the only defense, either way.
Originally posted by BattlemasterDouble checked, you were right, he was on the surface. My bad.
You're either a moron, or very new to Star Wars.When a ship travels in Hyperspace, celestial bodies and planets in real space leave what's called a "Gravity shadow" - where a planet leaves it's gravity signature.
The Mass Shadow Generator was a weapon developed to be able to crush and destroy objects with the force of a planet's weight, like a naturally-occurring Gravity Shadow.
When that weapon went off, and blasted the sufrace of malachor V - one lone man tanked the blast and wrenched one of the Warships caught within the gravity well, and used it to escape.
Our Nihilus.
Go back and read the Canon I've posted, very carefully. 🙂
Random Magic ftw. 😛
Not in orbit, Retard. He was on the surface where he tanked the effects of the Mass Shadow generator - pulled a Warship from it's influence, and escaped.
Either you can't read properly, or have trouble understanding concepts. It might be #2.
Or maybe I live in a small town with little to no access to material as it is released? Seriously, I can't even get e-books because of money issues. And my local library is a joke.
The canon you posted.... You mean the stuff I did read? Some of it I haven't even addressed. And with what I am saying, I am leaving it to the side for other points. If you think it overlaps, then go ahead, I didn't intend for it,
Originally posted by crisis_ryitua
Why doesn't it collapse upon his death?
Was the Ravager even moving at that point? Why would it collapse instantly in the case that it wasn't.
Originally posted by crisis_ryitua
This is contextually unimpressive as EU!Sidious has mentally enthralled millions on Coruscant, billions on Byss, and the "tens of trillions" of Imperial fleet personnel.
I don't believe Nemebro was using that as a standalone feat, but was pointing out that Nihilus was holding the Ravager together whilst simultaneously dominating the minds of his thralls.
Originally posted by crisis_ryitua
Nihilus's highest telekinetic showing comes from being empowered on a dark side nexus {Malachor V}. His manipulation of The Ravager has not, to my knowledge, been conclusively proven. His highest canonical showing of telekinesis was putting Kreia on her ass when he overthrew her with Sion's aid.
Even if Malachor doubled his power it is still a greater telekinetic feat than any Sidious has ever performed. A dark side nexus doesn't increase a persons power that much, as shown by Dooku's rather small boost from Vjun.
Originally posted by Pwned
Double checked, you were right, he was on the surface. My bad.Or maybe I live in a small town with little to no access to material as it is released? Seriously, I can't even get e-books because of money issues. And my local library is a joke.
The canon you posted.... You mean the stuff I did read? Some of it I haven't even addressed. And with what I am saying, I am leaving it to the side for other points. If you think it overlaps, then go ahead, I didn't intend for it,
I am nothing, if not a soft-hearted Debator!!
Nephthys
Was the Ravager even moving at that point? Why would it collapse instantly in the case that it wasn't.
Because Tobin mentioned that Nihilus was holding it together. If Nihilus is gone, the ship should have collapsed.
Nephthys
I don't believe Nemebro was using that as a standalone feat, but was pointing out that Nihilus was holding the Ravager together whilst simultaneously dominating the minds of his thralls.
Given all the things Sidious did while enthralling the fleet or transforming Byss or whatever else, this multitasking is quite frankly unimpressive relatively.
Nephthys
Even if Malachor doubled his power it is still a greater telekinetic feat than any Sidious has ever performed. A dark side nexus doesn't increase a persons power that much, as shown by Dooku's rather small boost from Vjun.
Well, as much as you want it to be, Malachor V and Vjun are not the same planets and so it is very possible that Malachor, having experienced a far travesty in terms of a body count and physical devastation, has a much more powerful dark side nexus than Vjun.
Vjun- Dark Side is present in the planet. Gave Dooku enough of a boost that he could singe Yoda.
Malachor V- Unknown, but with major travesty occuring.
Ambria- Gave a Sith the ability to give form to the Dark Side of the Force.
Endor- An echo of the death of Palpatine (the guy was so powerful in ROTJ that his death left a dark side nexus)
Mon Calamari- Has squid people.
Each planet is different in what it can do in regards to a nexus.
Originally posted by crisis_ryitua
Because Tobin mentioned that Nihilus was holding it together. If Nihilus is gone, the ship should have collapsed.
Why?
Originally posted by crisis_ryitua
Given all the things Sidious did while enthralling the fleet or transforming Byss or whatever else, this multitasking is quite frankly unimpressive relatively.
Ah, but Sidious achieved that by unknown means, possibly ritualistic in nature. Theres no indication that he needs to constantly maintain the domination in order for it to be effective. In contrast we know how Nihilus enthralled his crew: The same way the Exile enthralled hers.
Originally posted by crisis_ryitua
Well, as much as you want it to be, Malachor V and Vjun are not the same planets and so it is very possible that Malachor, having experienced a far travesty in terms of a body count and physical devastation, has a much more powerful dark side nexus than Vjun.
There isn't a single instance of a dark side nexus being even nearly as effective as you are claiming. There is no nexus that powerful. And still, even if it doubled Nihilus' power (a completely absurd figure), the feat would still be more powerful than any Sidious has ever performed.