Darth Nihilus and Darth Traya - vs - DE Sidious and DE Luke

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Originally posted by NemeBro
Didn't Nihilus survive the destruction of Malachor V's surface via Mass Shadow Generators?

Also, this "hurdur we don't know how much time Giga Drain takes to use" shit needs to go away.

I assume everyone here has seen the comic where Nihilus destroys Visas's world? According to it, it was with a word. You can argue against that, but you'd only look stupid in doing so.

Traya is probably the weakest character here IMHO. She's certainly far less powerful than Nihilus. Since he sort of dominated her the one time they fought.

Succinct and brutal. I like it.

I argued against it with Nai once. Nothing was resolved.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Didn't Nihilus survive the destruction of Malachor V's surface via Mass Shadow Generators?

Also, this "hurdur we don't know how much time Giga Drain takes to use" shit needs to go away.

I assume everyone here has seen the comic where Nihilus destroys Visas's world? According to it, it was with a word. You can argue against that, but you'd only look stupid in doing so.

Traya is probably the weakest character here IMHO. She's certainly far less powerful than Nihilus. Since he sort of dominated her the one time they fought.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Succinct and brutal. I like it.

Pretty astute. I agree.

YouTube video

0:54 would make a great scene in a live-action movie..

Nihilus, just standing there over her - like Death.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Didn't Nihilus survive the destruction of Malachor V's surface via Mass Shadow Generators?

Also, this "hurdur we don't know how much time Giga Drain takes to use" shit needs to go away.

I assume everyone here has seen the comic where Nihilus destroys Visas's world? According to it, it was with a word. You can argue against that, but you'd only look stupid in doing so.

Traya is probably the weakest character here IMHO. She's certainly far less powerful than Nihilus. Since he sort of dominated her the one time they fought.

Actually.... No, I have not read that. What's the title? I will look up a pdf of it or something.

I think Nihilus was one of the Jedi in orbit. He survived, but he became the Lord of Hunger.

I agree, Traya really is not the front line fighter here.

Nemebro is talking about the video Battlemaster posted above you. It shows the comic.

Ah. That hadn't loaded the first time.
It appears it hardly takes any time for him to destroy a world.

Didn't Nihilus survive the destruction of Malachor V's surface via Mass Shadow Generators?

Also, this "hurdur we don't know how much time Giga Drain takes to use" shit needs to go away.

I assume everyone here has seen the comic where Nihilus destroys Visas's world? According to it, it was with a word. You can argue against that, but you'd only look stupid in doing so.

Traya is probably the weakest character here IMHO. She's certainly far less powerful than Nihilus. Since he sort of dominated her the one time they fought.

Luke is not very powerful by Dark Empire. Traya is more powerful umo.

Originally posted by Pwned

I think Nihilus was one of the Jedi in orbit. He survived, but he became the Lord of Hunger.

You know, you could always research stuff you don't know - instead of pulling stuff out of your ass, and looking vaguely stupid for it. 🙄

Originally posted by Pwned

I agree, Traya really is not the front line fighter here.

Her Giga-drain is her only saving grace - but it's enough.

Originally posted by Pwned
It appears it hardly takes any time for him to destroy a world.

Such an honor to meet Sherlock Holmes, in the flesh. euro

Originally posted by Darth Ray Park
Luke is not very powerful by Dark Empire. Traya is more powerful umo.

I'd say by Dark Empire Luke is definitely formidable - and almost on par with Yoda.

In terms of conventional combat, he surpasses Traya by a little bit - however Traya's probably still better at mindrape - and of course, her Giga-drain trumps anything Luke has in his arsenal.

Originally posted by Pwned
Nihilus never showed ANY resistance to lightning, ever.
Palpatine could shoot lightning,

As has been said - he did manage to tank the blast that leveled the surface of Malachor V via Mass Shadow Generators - so a little bit of lightning won't do much to him, other than tickle him. 😛

Originally posted by Pwned

could use mega-TK,

Nihilus's TK is at least on par with FotJ Luke's and far beyond Palpatine's.

Nihilus would crush him like a cockroach.

Originally posted by Pwned

speed blitz, whatever.

Nope. We went over that, and Sidious still falls short there.

Originally posted by Pwned

From the few cutscenes where they are fighting, neither seem inclined to just "DRAIN! LUL!" they fight with sabers or the Force, while waiting for a better time to eat them.

The first thing Nihilus did before fighting the Exile was attempt to drain her - then he found out the hard way that, she too, like him was a Force Wound.

Kreia likewise, would use the Drain if she knew it was important to use in the battle, and this would constitute such a situation.

Originally posted by Pwned

Again, where does Kreia say she can do EXACTLY the same type of draining as Nihilus? I could have sworn he was a special case.

Kreia, On Nihilus's Attack:

Kreia: "As you would pass judgment on her, I have come to pass judgment on you all. Do you wish to feel the teachings born of the Mandalorian Wars? Of all wars, of all tragedies that scream across the galaxy? Let me show you—you, who have forever seen the galaxy through the Force. See it through the eyes of the Exile!"
¯The others acknowledge her, then all three get Force drained
"Kreia described this ability as a means of destroying connections between life around oneself, drawing upon them until they were drained completely and the exhausted life died. Nihilus supposedly took this practice to unmatched levels; wiping out entire planets, he became something of a hole in the Force, his mere presence killing all around him, slowly, feeding him. Wounds in the Force located in places such as the dark side world of Malachor V were said to bear a similar behavior ." - Knights of the Old Republic, The Sith Lords.

"...what he does is Simply the Pinnacle of what they could achieve, in time."

"Darth Traya indeed teaches the newly christened Darth Nihilus to harness his life-draining gift to radical heights--so effectively, in fact, that Nihilus saps Traya's powers in a calculated double-cross." --Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide [/B]

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Originally posted by ares834
Intresting that she is required to kill them before she can do it...
Originally posted by Nephthys
Yeah, unlike Nihilus she wasn't taught to actually use the technique in a controlled manner. Its just something she does instinctively 'to fill the hollow places where the force used to be.' Just like her force bonding technique, its how she uses the force. She has no connection to it herself, so she leeches it from others.

It must be a burden to be so handsome and smart. 😄

Originally posted by Pwned

While yes, Nihilus is driven by nothign BUT hunger, he doesn't just do it.

He just does do it.

Originally posted by Darth Ray Park
Luke is not very powerful by Dark Empire. Traya is more powerful umo.
He is at his pick at that time. Another matter is that he is not as skilled, yet, to utilize his power in most effective way.

and of course, her Giga-drain trumps anything Luke has in his arsenal.

You should say "probably" instead of "of course" as I have already shown evidence that he encountered Force drain prior to DE. And he still has got his AT-AT crippling TK, which can as easily trump her before even trying anything. 😉

As has been said - he did manage to tank the blast that leveled the surface of Malachor V via Mass Shadow Generators - so a little bit of lightning won't do much to him, other than tickle him. 😛
You've got amazing logic. Let me apply it elsewhere.
Ja Ja bings during invasion of his home world destroyed many droids and war tanks. - so a few of assassin droids won't do much to him.

Nihilus's TK is at least on par with FotJ Luke's and far beyond Palpatine's.

Nihilus would crush him like a cockroach.

Most powrful Sith of all time gets crushed like a cockroach and Luke is on par with Nihilus and beyond Sidious in TK... Do you smoke? 🙁

Originally posted by Darth Ray Park
It more likely Niihlus contorl palpatine

Not even close. Palpatine has proven to be the strongest will in the entire mythos.

Also (for anyone who might know): Would Palpatine's control over his wormholes be an impressive feat with TK? If so, how impressive?

I'd say Bane has the strongest will personally considering her lived in constant pain from the Orbalisks for about 10 years.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I'd say Bane has the strongest will personally considering her lived in constant pain from the Orbalisks for about 10 years.

But lost to to Zannah in a battle of wills....

?
Palpatine's mastery of the Force Storm technique has nothing to do with what we consider to be telekinesis unless you get absolutely strict with the definition.

Neph
I'd say Bane has the strongest will personally considering her lived in constant pain from the Orbalisks for about 10 years.

I'd say that's more accurately a description of pain threshold than sheer willpower.

Ok, then Zannah has the strongest will. Although when he lost to her he was in incredible agony, had his arm lopped off and was dying, so yeah.

I consider that will. To live in that state for 10 years would require unspeakable discipline imo.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Not even close. Palpatine has proven to be the strongest will in the entire mythos.

Also (for anyone who might know): Would Palpatine's control over his wormholes be an impressive feat with TK? If so, how impressive?

I don't think his control over Wormhole's has anything to do with TK.

He just projects energy that peels back time and space, projects it toward a location with an object, and has it transport the object somewhere else.

Kind of apples/oranges.

Plus, despite his will, he couldn't even control his own storms.

Nihilus has Palpy firmly beat in the TK area.