More Durable: Exitar or Juggernaut?

Originally posted by zopzop
Because different writers have different takes on things.

From Thor's own mouth
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Originally posted by Raptor22
so r u saying the writers take is that the blasts were the same power but mjolnir was so much weaker back when thor faced exitar that even reinforced by the belt it broke even though it didn't break against juggs when not reinforced by the belt? Do u honestly believe that is more likely than the blast just being less powerful also considering the blast is powered by Thors own energy and for the juggs blast he was just recovering from his illness a few panels earlier?

By the time he Godblasted Juggernaut he said he was recovered.

"At last! The delirium flees my mind and strength returns to my limbs."

I'll make this very simple. If you think Juggernaut is more durable than Exitar, you're a moron.

Originally posted by zopzop
Huh? When did the Godblast he used against Exitar do that?

My memory was clouded , so thanks for pointing that out . However , when he did manage to crack open Exitar's dome with a reinforced Mjolnir , nonetheless , the hammer got demolished .

Again I ask you , when he unleashed the godblast on Juggernaut , did he need to wrap the hammer with the belt of power to strengthen it against the strain of thee blast ?
When the blast was finally hit Juggernaut , did Mjolnir break from the strain ?

Also , it is common knowledge that a tiger can kill a bull , but if you put up a Sumatran tiger against a bull , the tiger will end up getting slaughtered .
A godblast did drive back Galactus , a godblast did indeed "give pause" to a Celestial , and a godblast did stop Juggernaut . However , regarding the different circumstances surrounding each godblast , it is fair to say that the one performed on the Celestial , was the strongest of the 3 .

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
This is one of the most moronic arguments I've ever heard. First, I clearly showed Gaea herself doesn't consider herself a match for Celestials. Second, I can use that same argument about the Living Tribunal, Fulcrum, the phoenix force, etc. Are you telling me that since Gaea "stepped in" and they didn't, she is more powerful than them? I hope you're not that delusional.

Why doesn't Superman just go to Gotham for one day and eliminate all of Batman's villains? Why doesn't Thor get involved in Spiderman's battles? Where is Thor when Carnage is going on a rampage? He could end any storyline with a Spiderman villain in 10 seconds.

That and Greg Pak is moron.

Celestials WERE aware of Chaos King.Get your facts straight.Clueless as usual.

Originally posted by Sabro
Celestials WERE aware of Chaos King.Get your facts straight.Clueless as usual.

Show a scan which states that . That or refer to the issue number in which said statement was made on-panel .

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Show a scan which states that . That or refer to the issue number in which said statement was made on-panel .

Well there's a scan in the CK respect thread by Igniz with Celestials and a Watcher in it.And CK also had some Celestials in his army.

Originally posted by Sabro
Well there's a scan in the CK respect thread by Igniz with Celestials and a Watcher in it.And CK also had some Celestials in his army.

Show it .

Exitar

Originally posted by Sabro
Celestials WERE aware of Chaos King.Get your facts straight.Clueless as usual.

Even if you are right, where did I say they weren't aware of him? (I'm the clueless one?)

Originally posted by Sabro
Celestials WERE aware of Chaos King.Get your facts straight.Clueless as usual.

Originally posted by zopzop
He was having the dizziness and weakness episodes on and off.

By the time he Godblasted Juggernaut he said he was recovered.

"At last! The delirium flees my mind and strength returns to my limbs."

Originally posted by Mr.SunKing
[B]do you have the scan to support this?
because the scan i see in the CK respect thread
states that Mikaboshi existed before the arrival of Galactus
and the Celestials
nothing more [/B]

He also claims that CK had some Celestials in his army :

Originally posted by Sabro
Well there's a scan in the CK respect thread by Igniz with Celestials and a Watcher in it.And CK also had some Celestials in his army.

lol @ Celestials in his army

nah..i doubt it

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
I'll make this very simple. If you think Juggernaut is more durable than Exitar, you're a moron.

Then comic writers are morons too since Thor penetrated Exitar twice and Juggs never with the same attacks.

Although this is fiction and anything can be made up, comicbook writers just aren't allowed to make a humanoid being more durable than a Celestial. That's against the rules of fiction. 🙄

Originally posted by Estacado
In your face Thor bags!!313

"Strength returns to my limbs" is not equivalent to "I am now at full strength".

He could barely stand as he was saying that.

Try again.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
"Strength returns to my limbs" is not equivalent to "I am now at full strength".

He could barely stand as he was saying that.

Try again.

So be it! Thou hast forced me to unleash the most terrifying Asgardian power of all! A power which once hurled back Galactus, the World-eater, and e'en gave pause to an almighty Celestial! I must call forth the god-force which flows within my veins -- and unite it with the irresistible power of mine enchanted Uru mallet! And the God of Thunder shall become one with the hammer supreme! Let the Juggernaut FALL!

So taken all together (the fact that he admitted the weakness episode was over AND the fact that he stated this was the same power that drove back Galactus and gave pause to a Celestial) it was a full power Godblast. Juggernaut didn't even feel it, but it did overcome his unstoppability enchantment.

Originally posted by zopzop
Because he was recovering and admitted as such. Then later when he faces down the Juggernaut with his Godblast this is his exact speech :

So taken all together (the fact that he admitted the weakness episode was over AND the fact that he stated this was the same power that drove back Galactus and gave pause to a Celestial) it was a full power Godblast. Juggernaut didn't even feel it, but it did overcome his unstoppability enchantment. [/B]

Originally posted by zopzop
Because he was recovering and admitted as such. Then later when he faces down the Juggernaut with his Godblast this is his exact speech :

So taken all together (the fact that he admitted the weakness episode was over AND the fact that he stated this was the same power that drove back Galactus and gave pause to a Celestial) it was a full power Godblast. Juggernaut didn't even feel it, but it did overcome his unstoppability enchantment. [/B]

How could it be the SAME godblast as the one that gave pause to a Celestial when that one was amped? That makes no sense.

He's saying it's the same ATTACK, not the same POWER. Proof positive is that he compares it to two different godblasts (Celestial and Galactus) and those two were of different power levels. How can it have the same power as two different attacks of two different power levels?

It's like if a boxer used a haymaker to knock out Mike Tyson, and then is fighting another boxer many years later when he's older and weaker and says, "This is the same punch that knocked out Mike Tyson" as he swings a haymaker. Yeah, it's the same punch, but not the same power.

Also, it could just be a case of simple boasting by Thor, or even trying to intimidate Juggernaut. How can we know.

There's one sure fire way to know.

There is no way the SAME attack that drives away Galactus won't even HURT Juggernaut. That's preposterous.

Originally posted by Glorificus
Theoretically, it should be Exitar, since:

Celestrial > Cyttorak.

Cyttorak > Juggernaut.

But feat-wise, I'm not sure it's that clear-cut.

Where is your proof of this? Cyttorak has never been out of the Crimson Cosmos. If he ever was, it was in the form of a false Avatar, or a true Avatar (a Juggernaut, or a portion of his image).

I would lay odds that the true Cytorrak that is, and always has been imprisoned within the Crimson Cosmos, is on the universal destroyer level and that he would crush most Celestials. He was said to have been able to destroy reality, if he wasn't removed from reality, and placed in a pocket dimension. This screams, I would rip Galactus out of his boots, and mug him power.