More Durable: Exitar or Juggernaut?

Originally posted by Stoic
Where is your proof of this? Cyttorak has never been out of the Crimson Cosmos. If he ever was, it was in the form of a false Avatar, or a true Avatar (a Juggernaut, or a portion of his image).

I would lay odds that the true Cytorrak that is, and always has been imprisoned within the Crimson Cosmos, is on the universal destroyer level and that he would crush most Celestials. He was said to have been able to destroy reality, if he wasn't removed from reality, and placed in a pocket dimension. This screams, I would rip Galactus out of his boots, and mug him power.

Individual Celestials were stated to be able to create/destroy universes as well.

I've always wondered just how powerful Cyttorak is, I don't think Marvel's ever made it clear, but it always seemed to me he was a tier above Odin, maybe on the level of Rune King Thor.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
How could it be the SAME godblast as the one that gave pause to a Celestial when that one was amped? That makes no sense.

He's saying it's the same ATTACK, not the same POWER. Proof positive is that he compares it to two different godblasts (Celestial and Galactus) and those two were of different power levels. How can it have the same power as two different attacks of two different power levels?

It's like if a boxer used a haymaker to knock out Mike Tyson, and then is fighting another boxer many years later when he's older and weaker and says, "This is the same punch that knocked out Mike Tyson" as he swings a haymaker. Yeah, it's the same punch, but not the same power.

Also, it could just be a case of simple boasting by Thor, or even trying to intimidate Juggernaut. How can we know.

There's one sure fire way to know.

There is no way the SAME attack that drives away Galactus won't even HURT Juggernaut. That's preposterous.

Why is it preposterous? Even ASSUMING the time he Godblasted Exitar, it was a somehow amped version of the attack (hence why Mjolnir shattered), the other two times he Godblasted nothing happened to Mjolnir. These blasts were against Galactus and Juggernaut. So two out of three times (total?) he's ever used the Godblast, Mjolnir was fine. At the very LEAST the Godblast he used against Galactus would be at the same level as the Godblast he used against Juggernaut.

Not only didn't Juggernaut retreat, he didn't even feel the damn thing aside from the fact that it was SLOWLY forcing him back and before he could regain momentum the ground shattered beneath his feet.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Individual Celestials were stated to be able to create/destroy universes as well.

I've always wondered just how powerful Cyttorak is, I don't think Marvel's ever made it clear, but it always seemed to me he was a tier above Odin, maybe on the level of Rune King Thor.

A universe pales when compared to an entire reality.

Originally posted by zopzop
He was having the dizziness and weakness episodes on and off.

By the time he Godblasted Juggernaut he said he was recovered.

"At last! The delirium flees my mind and strength returns to my limbs."

im open to having my mind changed or to be proven wrong but so far I've seen nothing that shows the blast was of the same power output as the previous blasts other than it's called the same thing, and peoples assumptioms as to what the writers intentions are, going by nothing more than ambiguous character statements that contradict whats on panel.

Originally posted by Raptor22
I'm not really sure how this helps your case. Thor never said that he was back to full strength or power, just that his mind was clear and his strength was returning, he never says or even implies he's back to full strength. Also u didn't answer my question about what your stance is on "the writers stance" and mjolnir being weaker. Im honestly curious.

im open to having my mind changed or to be proven wrong but so far I've seen nothing that shows the blast was of the same power output as the previous blasts other than it's called the same thing, and peoples assumptioms as to what the writers intentions are, going by nothing more than ambiguous character statements that contradict whats on panel.

He stated HIMSELF that this was the power that drove back Galactus and gave pause to a Celestial. It doesn't get much clearer than that.

Originally posted by zopzop
Did you read the entire comic? The weakness spells come and go. He didn't Godblast Juggernaut while under the effect of the weakness spell. It's effect passed, he recovered, then he confronted Juggernaut with the Godblast.

He stated HIMSELF that this was the power that drove back Galactus and gave pause to a Celestial. It doesn't get much clearer than that.

he also used the belt of strength and mjolnir broke from the power, it doesn't get much clearer than that. See I can do it too.

By that logic every time superman uses his power of heat vision it's always the same temp and intensity. So r u saying that that people with poweres can't use those powers at different power levels, and if they did then it would somehow be a different power.

Originally posted by Raptor22
just because the effects passed doesn't mean he was back to full strength, show me where it says he was.

he also used the belt of strength and mjolnir broke from the power, it doesn't get much clearer than that. See I can do it too.

By that logic every time superman uses his power of heat vision it's always the same temp and intensity. So r u saying that that people with poweres can't use those powers at different power levels, and if they did then it would somehow be a different power.

He's only ever used the Godblast 3 times that I can recall. In two of those instances Mjolnir didn't shatter (it "safely contained such a blast"😉. The writer had a different take on the Godblast in the "Alone against the Celestials" arc than the previous and subsequent writers. It's that simple.

The writer of Thor 412 stated CLEARLY :

So be it! Thou hast forced me to unleash the most terrifying Asgardian power of all! A power which once hurled back Galactus, the World-eater, and e'en gave pause to an almighty Celestial! I must call forth the god-force which flows within my veins -- and unite it with the irresistible power of mine enchanted Uru mallet! And the God of Thunder shall become one with the hammer supreme! Let the Juggernaut FALL!

If you don't understand it by now, you never will.

Originally posted by Raptor22
By that logic every time superman uses his power of heat vision it's always the same temp and intensity..

This is the perfect way to explain it.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
This is the perfect way to explain it.

Thou hast forced me to unleash the most terrifying Asgardian power of all! A power which once hurled back Galactus, the World-eater, and e'en gave pause to an almighty Celestial!

Originally posted by zopzop
The weakness spells came and went and afterword he was just fine. He even said the weakness spell was over and his strength returned. THEN he went to confront the Juggernaut with his Godblast.

He's only ever used the Godblast 3 times that I can recall. In two of those instances Mjolnir didn't shatter (it "safely contained such a blast"😉. The writer had a different take on the Godblast in the "Alone against the Celestials" arc than the previous and subsequent writers. It's that simple.

The writer of Thor 412 stated CLEARLY :

If you don't understand it by now, you never will. [/B]

And u still haven't answered why mjolnir broke. Was the writer just depicting it as weaker than previous and future versions?

Originally posted by Raptor22
And u still haven't answered why mjolnir broke. Was the writer just depicting it as weaker than previous and future versions?

Lol you guys are crazy. You act as if this stuff actually happened where we can actually gauge which Godblast was more powerful. None of this stuff happened. It is fiction. There is no way to determine which one is greater (because it didn't happen) other than writer's intentions.

The writer clearly intended for the Godblast to be the same as before. The writer's intentions>>>>>>>>>people's personal opinions.

Originally posted by h1a8
Lol you guys are crazy. You act as if this stuff actually happened where we can actually gauge which Godblast was more powerful. None of this stuff happened. It is fiction. There is no way to determine which one is greater (because it didn't happen) other than writer's intentions.

The writer clearly intended for the Godblast to be the same as before. The writer's intentions>>>>>>>>>people's personal opinions.

I think this theory of the Godsblast it will be the most logical one.

I have seen Thor using godsblast in the past but none broke Mjolnir, IIRC at least.

Oh sh1t I'm on the same side as Quanicakes?, Oh boy is the end of the world!!!

Originally posted by quanchi112
You're wrong. If it were the same then the hammer would have been destroyed. Try and make sense.

Mjolnir, along with comic characters, has variable durability depending on the writer. In one instance Mjolnir is able to block Destroyer's D beams with ease, yet in another instance it gets split in half with an even lessor powered attack.

Comic readers can't take away a writer's written intentions.

Originally posted by h1a8
The writer didn't have the hammer breaking because he wanted to show one Godblast being greater than another. The hammer breaking is inconsequential. The writer's intentions trump that.

Mjolnir, along with comic characters, has variable durability depending on the writer. In one instance Mjolnir is able to block Destroyer's D beams with ease, yet in another instance it gets split in half with an even lessor powered attack.

Comic readers can't take away a writer's written intentions.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The writer showed the godblast was that much more intense that it broke his hammer. Thor was also weakened at the time of the Juggs blast. That shows he wasn't at his best. The writers made it clear. You don't make any sense.

Originally posted by h1a8
Repeating yourself is not debating. I already proved the Godblast was the same as in the writer's narrative.
Thor regained his strength before attempting the Godblast. Did you read the issue?

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, you didn't. Destroying a reinforced hammer is showing you the mightiest godblast of them all. Being weakened and expecting their power level to be the same is demonstrating being weakened. You need to use common sense and quit being hypocritical.

Now you are trolling by ignoring direct evidence. It was stated in the comic that Thor regained his strength, yet you keep ignoring it (which is trolling).

Also you are ignoring the variability of durability of Mjolnir from writer to writer.
Explain why Mjlonir is able to block the Destroyer's D beams yet get split in half by a weaker Destroyer blast with another writer.

Originally posted by biensalsa
I think this theory of the Godsblast it will be the most logical one.

I have seen Thor using godsblast in the past but none broke Mjolnir, IIRC at least.

Oh sh1t I'm on the same side as Quanicakes?, Oh boy is the end of the world!!!

Don't worry you're on my side as well .