Kal-L Vs Kingdom Come Superman

Originally posted by quanchi112
Two Thors affected all of reality with two hammers colliding in battle. Neither feat decides any of these matchups. No, you want to make more of this feat than it shoul dbecause you love Superman but ignore other great feats which also don't decide versus matchups. Reality was in flux during this time. That's really important but you want to pretend it isn't.

Wasn't it they sent a shockwave that went through it? If so, less impressive than retconning things like Kal-L and Kal-El did in their fight. But even if the feats don't matter in the fight, it's absolutely irrelevant to my point. That people try to dismiss this feat simply because they don't like it. You accuse me of my "love for Superman" yet you ignored the point I made. When reality would've been in GREATER flux because of more Earths, Black Adam intended to kill Superboy Prime and did his equivalent to Zeus-Amping, but nothing. Why didn't you acknowledge this?

You must be Spider-Man, Quan. You're awfully good at dodging things. But hey, guess God had to make ya good at SOMETHING.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Superman's invulnerable. The other Superman is as well. The force of the blow was strong enough to hurt Ne Superman but not enough to even budge Earth 22 Superman. Showings vary and power levels vary. This writer compared two characters and in this comparison it wasn't close.

So tell me how this is relevant when NE Superman wasn't prepared but KC Superman was. Like I said before, NE Superman has tanked punches from opponents stronger(some cases much stronger, some cases while still in Byrne-era power levels) and has caught the punches of stronger opponents as well. This example is questionable at best.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Adrenaline and drugs can change things but being hit will still make you bleed. Earth 22 Superman wasn't even fazed in the slightest.

Dunno if he was on drugs or not, but how many people get right back up from being shot in the head? Anyways, I thought it was amusing to bring-up after hearing your argument, which IIRC was a strawman.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I gave you a direct showing between the two comparing them. I feel like the bomb that went off, the Marvel tanking magical lightning showing, how easily he impressed the jsa and tossed them aside like ragdolls, the showing against third World Gog where he punched the magical lightning while it was warping others.

Well, I gave you one direct showing and you will disagree with everything that's direct so I further elaborated on it with this reason.

I want to SEE these examples you claim prove KC Superman>NE Superman. Not have you tell me about them. When you first responded, you simply said there were other examples, but didn't tell me. Now you're giving me general statements about showings. And honestly, after "expunge bacteria" amongst other examples, I do not trust your reading comprehension. Honestly no offense intended.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It's the same for marvel characters. People don't argue godblast or bfr right out of the gate for Thor. If they went the powerset route with them then you'd have a point but since I can't recall anything you're just complaining.

I have seen people argue godblast or BFR right out of the gate for Thor. And similar arguments for other characters. Like YOU. When I used to lurk on HeroChat, every time a Thanos debate would come-up, you'd always immediately jump to he immediately throws-up his shields before anybody can get-off an attack. Oh yeah, not to mention how you'd argue he has FTL reflexes, because The Fallen One has translight flight speed, and you'd completely and utterly ignore people pointing-out there was nothing to indicate he was charging Thanos at even near lightspeed, let alone FTL. But your whole "logic" was he MUST be going as fast as he can. You're not exactly one to claim someone doesn't argue powersets instead of how characters fight.

Plus, what does this have to do with me pointing-out people are hypocrites? 'Cuz people do in fact bring-up obscure powers while acting like Superman(or whoever else) almost never uses his speed in a fight.

By the way, still waiting for an explanation for why THE KINGDOM is non-canon.

Originally posted by biensalsa
I disagree, I have never seen a DC fanboy saying that Superman can defeat the Presence via strength, like I have seen Hulk fans claiming that Hulk can defeat TOAA because he has infinite strength.

As a matter of fact recently I saw someone implying that Thanos can defeat TOAA with prep time 😕

But never seen a DC fanboy claiming Darkseid can defeat The Presence with or with out prep time.

That is only two examples on the top of my head.

Go figure.

Superman will OWN The Presence via strength, Darkseid owns him with or without prep, and anybody who says otherwise is a DC-hating cockriding Marvlite!! 😒 😠

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Okay?

And I've seen people claim that Superman using his speed could solo Marvel Earth, I've seen claims that Flash can hit the force of thousands of galaxies, Superboy Prime exists in the real world, Superman can sing any abstract being out of existence, and H/P Doomsday is virtually unbeatable.

The fact of the matter is bias is a two-way street and exists to absurd fanboy proportions on both spectrums. Anyone objective enough to take a step back and look past their favorite character or company can see it.

Seriously, for every stupid "Marvel Fanboy" comment you can scrounge up on KMC or the internet, I can find an equally stupid "DC Fanboy" one.

Don't know the context of some of these examples, but Flash theoretically can hit with way more than the force of thousands of galaxies. Since, ya know, going at a certain speed his mass hits infinity. Whether you like it or not is irrelevant. Whether or not it's actually been SHOWN is irrelevant. It's theoretically possible. And I dunno the context about the statement of Superboy Prime existing in the real world, but are you aware that originally Earth-Prime was actually MEANT to be the real world?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Okay?

And I've seen people claim that Superman using his speed could solo Marvel Earth, I've seen claims that Flash can hit the force of thousands of galaxies, Superboy Prime exists in the real world, Superman can sing any abstract being out of existence, and H/P Doomsday is virtually unbeatable.

The fact of the matter is bias is a two-way street and exists to absurd fanboy proportions on both spectrums. Anyone objective enough to take a step back and look past their favorite character or company can see it.

Seriously, for every stupid "Marvel Fanboy" comment you can scrounge up on KMC or the internet, I can find an equally stupid "DC Fanboy" one.

I believe you will have an easier time finding Marvel ones, because... well... there are more Marvel readers than DC readers.

And this is a constant in every place I have been.

but yes, they do exist in both universes 🙂

And some of them are just playing around, like the guy saying SBP was real, come on, you know he was playing around and no one took him seriously. But on his defense earth Prime is supposed to be our earth in comics. Yes I now is silly, but that is "supposed" to be.

I do agree there are in both sides but really there are more Marvel only readers then DC only readers, therefore is easier to find Marvel fans than DC fans

Originally posted by Delta1938
Don't know the context of some of these examples, but Flash theoretically can hit with way more than the force of thousands of galaxies. Since, ya know, going at a certain speed his mass hits infinity. Whether you like it or not is irrelevant. Whether or not it's actually been SHOWN is irrelevant. It's theoretically possible. And I dunno the context about the statement of Superboy Prime existing in the real world, but are you aware that originally Earth-Prime was actually MEANT to be the real world?

The context to them is what I said, practically verbatim.

As far as Flash goes, since he's done nothing remotely close to hitting anyone with the force of thousands of galaxies, it's quite frankly, ridiculous to even bring it up as serious point of contention in a forum. Even his vaunted Infinite Mass Punch has done nothing to warrant extrapolating said ability to hit with the force of a single galaxy, let alone thousands of them, let alone way more of them. It has nothing to do with whether I or anyone else likes it or not. Many things are theoretically possible in the world of comics. Doesn't mean we have free reign to basically make something up, which is what happens on both sides of the spectrum.

Yes, I'm aware of Earth-Prime being based on the "real world". However, it's quite clear it's not the real world and Superboy Prime doesn't exist in our reality or ever did. Further more, this doesn't, in any way shape or form, give Prime the ability to beat Thanos w/HOTU because he could "enter our world and threaten the Marvel writers" or "metaphysically rip up the comic Thanos appears in to beat him".

In any case, my point is fanboys exist on both sides, whether they're Superman, Thor, Flash, Thanos, Darkseid, Hulk, Green Lantern, Wolverine, Batman, or whomever.

Originally posted by biensalsa
I believe you will have an easier time finding Marvel ones, because... well... there are more Marvel readers than DC readers.

And this is a constant in every place I have been.

but yes, they do exist in both universes 🙂

And some of them are just playing around, like the guy saying SBP was real, come on, you know he was playing around and no one took him seriously. But on his defense earth Prime is supposed to be our earth in comics. Yes I now is silly, but that is "supposed" to be.

I do agree there are in both sides but really there are more Marvel only readers then DC only readers, therefore is easier to find Marvel fans than DC fans

Disagree, but okay.

Also disagree.

Agreed on that front.

Doubtful. Especially when same guy contended that Prime should beat Thanos with the HOTU.

Even if it is true and more Marvel fans equal more Marvel fanboys as a result, it certainly doesn't give DC fanboys a pass because they're outnumbered or anything like that. A fanboy is a fanboy, whether they fanboy for one company in general, or specific characters.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I don't honestly agree. shrug

I meant here, btw.

Fair enough.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
The context to them is what I said, practically verbatim.

As far as Flash goes, since he's done nothing remotely close to hitting anyone with the force of thousands of galaxies, it's quite frankly, ridiculous to even bring it up as serious point of contention in a forum. Even his vaunted Infinite Mass Punch has done nothing to warrant extrapolating said ability to hit with the force of a single galaxy, let alone thousands of them, let alone way more of them.

I didn't see the example myself, but I recall Wally cracking an alternate Anti-Monitor's shell, when AM was allegedly more powerful because of some different circumstances, when participating in COIE in an alternate timeline. Sooooooo.....

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
It has nothing to do with whether I or anyone else likes it or not. Many things are theoretically possible in the world of comics. Doesn't mean we have free reign to basically make something up, which is what happens on both sides of the spectrum.

Yes, I'm aware of Earth-Prime being based on the "real world". However, it's quite clear it's not the real world and Superboy Prime doesn't exist in our reality or ever did. Further more, this doesn't, in any way shape or form, give Prime the ability to beat Thanos w/HOTU because he could "enter our world and threaten the Marvel writers" or "metaphysically rip up the comic Thanos appears in to beat him".

In any case, my point is fanboys exist on both sides, whether they're Superman, Thor, Flash, Thanos, Darkseid, Hulk, Green Lantern, Wolverine, Batman, or whomever.

Like I said, I haven't seen the examples, so I don't know what the context is. Based on how you described the Superboy Prime example, it looks like either the dude was joking, or he was trolling someone. Doesn't really look like a credible "fanboy" example to me.

And ya know what? In my experience, Marvel fanboys don't get called-out too often for pulling-out obscure, sometimes one-time only feats, for their preferred character against a DC character. But the DC fan is more likely to get crucified for pulling off a similar stunt, even if the tactic is used more often than a one-time feat. I see Marvel fanboys get called-out for being a fanboy if it's against a Marvel character more often than a DC character.

Originally posted by Delta1938
I didn't see the example myself, but I recall Wally cracking an alternate Anti-Monitor's shell, when AM was allegedly more powerful because of some different circumstances, when participating in COIE in an alternate timeline. Sooooooo.....

That's cool, but that still doesn't translate into Flash being able to hit someone with the force of thousands of galaxies let alone more force than that.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Like I said, I haven't seen the examples, so I don't know what the context is. Based on how you described the Superboy Prime example, it looks like either the dude was joking, or he was trolling someone. Doesn't really look like a credible "fanboy" example to me.

And ya know what? In my experience, Marvel fanboys don't get called-out too often for pulling-out obscure, sometimes one-time only feats, for their preferred character against a DC character. But the DC fan is more likely to get crucified for pulling off a similar stunt, even if the tactic is used more often than a one-time feat. I see Marvel fanboys get called-out for being a fanboy if it's against a Marvel character more often than a DC character.

It's just as credible a fanboy moment as someone thinking Hulk would get strong enough to punk out the Living Tribunal or TOAA. AKA retarded beyond belief.

In my experience, fanboyism hits both sides pretty equally. If one side has "more" fanboys, the other side will have "louder" ones. And I honestly don't see how anyone can disagree, especially currently in the forums. I don't see how one fanboy argument is "better" than another one when they're both equally stupid.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
That's cool, but that still doesn't translate into Flash being able to hit someone with the force of thousands of galaxies let alone more force than that.

A weaker than COIE Anti-Monitor was hurt but not downed by a galaxy-buster(I think? All I remember for sure is it didn't complete the job, SBP had to finish it). COIE Anti-Monitor was more powerful, and this Anti-Monitor was allegedly more powerful. Granted, this is going off memory from what I read second-hand, but if it's true, it doesn't seem all THAT bad. Plus, I didn't read the example, so I have no clue what context the statement was in. I'm really not believing the guy who argued Superboy Prime is in the real world was serious after the statements you say he made.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
It's just as credible a fanboy moment as someone thinking Hulk would get strong enough to punk out the Living Tribunal or TOAA. AKA retarded beyond belief.

Are you talking about the Superboy Prime thing? To me, that looks like the guy was either trolling or joking, not making a serious argument.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
In my experience, fanboyism hits both sides pretty equally. If one side has "more" fanboys, the other side will have "louder" ones. And I honestly don't see how anyone can disagree, especially currently in the forums. I don't see how one fanboy argument is "better" than another one when they're both equally stupid.

Your opinion neither changes what I've seen, nor counters the fact that was originally brought-up about people will want to discount Kal-L's Pre-CRISIS feats despite they're still canon(Pre-New 52) because he's "not written like that anymore," but won't have a problem bringing-up an obscure feat or high-end showing for a Marvel character from decades ago when the character's not written like that anymore. This, is just derailing the topic.

Originally posted by Delta1938
A weaker than COIE Anti-Monitor was hurt but not downed by a galaxy-buster(I think? All I remember for sure is it didn't complete the job, SBP had to finish it). COIE Anti-Monitor was more powerful, and this Anti-Monitor was allegedly more powerful. Granted, this is going off memory from what I read second-hand, but if it's true, it doesn't seem all THAT bad. Plus, I didn't read the example, so I have no clue what context the statement was in. I'm really not believing the guy who argued Superboy Prime is in the real world was serious after the statements you say he made.

Are you talking about the Superboy Prime thing? To me, that looks like the guy was either trolling or joking, not making a serious argument.

Your opinion neither changes what I've seen, nor counters the fact that was originally brought-up about people will want to discount Kal-L's Pre-CRISIS feats despite they're still canon(Pre-New 52) because he's "not written like that anymore," but won't have a problem bringing-up an obscure feat or high-end showing for a Marvel character from decades ago when the character's not written like that anymore. This, is just derailing the topic.

I still haven't seen anything remotely close to Flash decking someone with the force of galaxies and more.

The Prime thing is no more trolling or joking than arguing Hulk's strength would be enough to topple the LT or TOAA. They're both equally ridiculous.

Hypocrisy is bad, true, but it's not a consistent thing across the forum where Marvel fanboys are more unruly or worse than DC fanboys when both bases say some equally ridiculous statements. But you are right that this is derailing the topic, so I'll leave it at that.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I still haven't seen anything remotely close to Flash decking someone with the force of galaxies and more.

The Prime thing is no more trolling or joking than arguing Hulk's strength would be enough to topple the LT or TOAA. They're both equally ridiculous.

Hypocrisy is bad, true, but it's not a consistent thing across the forum where Marvel fanboys are more unruly or worse than DC fanboys when both bases say some equally ridiculous statements. But you are right that this is derailing the topic, so I'll leave it at that.

OK, just the SBP thing, how is it "no more trolling or joking" than the Hulk would topple LT or TOAA via pure strength thing? I've seen enough Hulk fanboys bring it up, coupled with other arguments they make, that I'd have to say many people on the Hulk side have seriously argued this. Saying SBP is in the real world and would intimidate the Marvel editor/writer seems like a clear joke/troll, unless the poster has an established history of mental illness.

Originally posted by Delta1938
I didn't see the example myself, but I recall Wally cracking an alternate Anti-Monitor's shell, when AM was allegedly more powerful because of some different circumstances, when participating in COIE in an alternate timeline. Sooooooo.....

Like I said, I haven't seen the examples, so I don't know what the context is. Based on how you described the Superboy Prime example, it looks like either the dude was joking, or he was trolling someone. Doesn't really look like a credible "fanboy" example to me.

And ya know what? In my experience, Marvel fanboys don't get called-out too often for pulling-out obscure, sometimes one-time only feats, for their preferred character against a DC character. But the DC fan is more likely to get crucified for pulling off a similar stunt, even if the tactic is used more often than a one-time feat. I see Marvel fanboys get called-out for being a fanboy if it's against a Marvel character more often than a DC character.

just sayin

Originally posted by Delta1938
Saying SBP is in the real world and would intimidate the Marvel editor/writer seems like a clear joke/troll, unless the poster has an established history of mental illness.

I think is clear this guy was a troll, quite funny btw.

He made me lol quite a few times.

Originally posted by Delta1938
OK, just the SBP thing, how is it "no more trolling or joking" than the Hulk would topple LT or TOAA via pure strength thing? I've seen enough Hulk fanboys bring it up, coupled with other arguments they make, that I'd have to say many people on the Hulk side have seriously argued this. Saying SBP is in the real world and would intimidate the Marvel editor/writer seems like a clear joke/troll, unless the poster has an established history of mental illness.

Because even the most hardcore Hulk fans here wouldn't seriously claim Hulk could beat LT or TOAA. Unless you can point to a serious poster seriously arguing that possibility, it's no more ludicrous than Prime being a legitimate real world entity who could beat Thanos w/HOTU via "ripping up the comic". Or Flash beating Eternity via Speed Force dropping on his dome piece. Point is, stupid shit gets said about every character from both companies and one side isn't more tolerable than the other.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Um, Northstar and the Spanker seem to have no fanboys.

just sayin

I'm reasonably sure this is a joke. Doesn't change the fact I have to ask who Spanker is. So, who's Spanker?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Because even the most hardcore Hulk fans here wouldn't seriously claim Hulk could beat LT or TOAA. Unless you can point to a serious poster seriously arguing that possibility, it's no more ludicrous than Prime being a legitimate real world entity who could beat Thanos w/HOTU via "ripping up the comic". Or Flash beating Eternity via Speed Force dropping on his dome piece. Point is, stupid shit gets said about every character from both companies and one side isn't more tolerable than the other.

How could a Hulk fanboy be a serious poster?

Originally posted by Delta1938
How could a Hulk fanboy be a serious poster?

Same way a Superman fanboy can be?

It's not like Hulk - or Marvel as a whole - has a monopoly on people who have said or argued stupid things in favor of him.

Guys, back on topic please.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Same way a Superman fanboy can be?

It's not like Hulk - or Marvel as a whole - has a monopoly on people who have said or argued stupid things in favor of him.

I guess this has to be the last I've said on this off-topic thing. I have indeed seen Hulk fanboys make those arguments and were serious. Your statement of, "serious poster seriously arguing that possibility" says to me, "The poster can't be serious, unless he's a credible poster." Yet, I've seen many people say stupid things like Hulk pwns LT via strength, and absolutely mean it. Your statements of what the guy said does NOT look like he was serious to me, and thus in and of itself is not an argument of a fanboy.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Guys, back on topic please.

BUT JAKE SAID THINGS THAT MADE NO SENSE!!! 😒 😠

OK, I'll stop.

🙁

Originally posted by Delta1938
Wasn't it they sent a shockwave that went through it? If so, less impressive than retconning things like Kal-L and Kal-El did in their fight. But even if the feats don't matter in the fight, it's absolutely irrelevant to my point. That people try to dismiss this feat simply because they don't like it. You accuse me of my "love for Superman" yet you ignored the point I made. When reality would've been in GREATER flux because of more Earths, Black Adam intended to kill Superboy Prime and did his equivalent to Zeus-Amping, but nothing. Why didn't you acknowledge this?

You must be Spider-Man, Quan. You're awfully good at dodging things. But hey, guess God had to make ya good at SOMETHING.[/B]

So tell me how this is relevant when NE Superman wasn't prepared but KC Superman was. Like I said before, NE Superman has tanked punches from opponents stronger(some cases much stronger, some cases while still in Byrne-era power levels) and has caught the punches of stronger opponents as well. This example is questionable at best.[/B]

If someone punches you in the face or Superman he's invulnerable so Herc' punch was obviously powerful enough to affect him not the same with Kc Superman.

Dunno if he was on drugs or not, but how many people get right back up from being shot in the head? Anyways, I thought it was amusing to bring-up after hearing your argument, which IIRC was a strawman.[/B]

I want to SEE these examples you claim prove KC Superman>NE Superman. Not have you tell me about them. When you first responded, you simply said there were other examples, but didn't tell me. Now you're giving me general statements about showings. And honestly, after "expunge bacteria" amongst other examples, I do not trust your reading comprehension. Honestly no offense intended.[/B]

I have seen people argue godblast or BFR right out of the gate for Thor. And similar arguments for other characters. Like YOU. When I used to lurk on HeroChat, every time a Thanos debate would come-up, you'd always immediately jump to he immediately throws-up his shields before anybody can get-off an attack. Oh yeah, not to mention how you'd argue he has FTL reflexes, because The Fallen One has translight flight speed, and you'd completely and utterly ignore people pointing-out there was nothing to indicate he was charging Thanos at even near lightspeed, let alone FTL. But your whole "logic" was he MUST be going as fast as he can. You're not exactly one to claim someone doesn't argue powersets instead of how characters fight.[/B]

In the case of Thanos and the Surfer we know he's going well past billions of the speed of light and despite not knowing and relying on his own battle senses he was quick enough to react. I always back up my case, sport. I am glad you hid in the shadows from my wrath. It tickles my fancy. 🙂

Plus, what does this have to do with me pointing-out people are hypocrites? 'Cuz people do in fact bring-up obscure powers while acting like Superman(or whoever else) almost never uses his speed in a fight.

By the way, still waiting for an explanation for why THE KINGDOM is non-canon.
[/B]

Due to the fact Gog jsa was retconned due to Johns.

Superman will OWN The Presence via strength, Darkseid owns him with or without prep, and anybody who says otherwise is a DC-hating cockriding Marvlite!! 😒 😠 [/B]

Don't know the context of some of these examples, but Flash theoretically can hit with way more than the force of thousands of galaxies. Since, ya know, going at a certain speed his mass hits infinity. Whether you like it or not is irrelevant. Whether or not it's actually been SHOWN is irrelevant. It's theoretically possible. And I dunno the context about the statement of Superboy Prime existing in the real world, but are you aware that originally Earth-Prime was actually MEANT to be the real world? [/B]

We don't argue what is possible we argue based on the comics. What they show us. 🙂

Originally posted by quanchi112
I am bringing up the context of what was going on at the time. You don't get to decide what is relevant and what isn't. Context is always relevant. Comics are inconsistent and just because those two didn't do the same thing doesn't mean the two Kal's are more powerful than Prime and Black Adam.

So, you continue to dodge my point, over and over and over and over again. Not surprised in the least. It's to be expected from you and your double standards. By the way, I never said anything about either Kal-El or Kal-L being more powerful than Superboy Prime. That would just be stupid. I merely brought-up SBP because Black Adam had the intent to kill him. It had nothing to do with what SBP did in the instance. I do however believe that Superman is more powerful than Black Adam. This isn't the only reason, though.

Yet you still dodge the point. Black Adam had the intent to kill SBP, he used his equivalent of Zeus-Amping when there were even more alternate Earths so it would've been more weakened, yet, nothing happened. No, I'm agreeing with Salsa's point that the context meant that the fact that it couldn't have been done before because there were no barriers to break.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Such denial in you. It's actually quite sickening.

Quan, meet Kettle. Go ahead and tell it it's black. You dodge yet again, kid.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Showings vary from writer to writer this writer handled both characters so under his pen he deemed Kc more impressive. If you don't grasp an obvious point by the writer don't project your shortcomings onto me. You don't get it. I get it by now.

If someone punches you in the face or Superman he's invulnerable so Herc' punch was obviously powerful enough to affect him not the same with Kc Superman.

Blah blah blah blah, dodge dodge dodge dodge. Fact is NE Superman wasn't prepared, NE Superman could've pulled off the same thing had he been prepared. By the way, KC Superman wasn't hit in the face, so NE Superman's nose being bloodied is irrelevant. You bringing that up is either a strawman, or your inability to notice things.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Your argument consists of ignoring context and outright denial.

So you want to tell the kettle it's black again? Oh yes, your arguments consist of dodging way too many points. And this is absolutely consistent with what I've seen of you on more than one place.

Originally posted by quanchi112
1.Herc example.
2.Hearing what Superman couldn't hear.
3.Being barely bothered by k-nite while it's almost killed Superman before.
4.Blasting Superman by mistake back a considerable distance.

And you still don't get it? I want to SEE these examples, not you spouting them off. I don't mean this as an insult, but I have to say there's little reason to trust your account of things. Between your inability to tell that "expunged bacteria" was metaphorical instead of literal, and being too dense to realize you're wrong, I have trouble trusting anything you say about what happened, even if I could trust you to be HONEST. I really do think you could even screw-up KC Superman being able to hear something NE Superman couldn't.

By the way on the Kryptonite example? I saw KC Superman's eyes hurt by some Kryptonite dust. And oh yeah, far as I know it wasn't from his own Earth. If that is the case, that's just bad.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I don't do so. I'd probably argue shields when someone else went the powerset route or because it was relevant when he used shields against certain characters.

And this just gives me further reason to distrust your account of anything. Either your memory is HORRIBLE, or you're flat-out lying. You did not argue shields because someone went the powerset route or it was relevant. You would always IMMEDIATELY jump to he instantly threw up his shields in any example where you thought he might be threatened. AND you were arguing that he had translight reflexes because of the Fallen One example, which is going the powerset route it's self. Despite numerous people showing all the faults in that argument. I never once saw you admit you might be wrong there, you stuck by it. You're either lying to me now, or you're simply forgetting. Which is REALLY bad considering how many times you argued exactly in that manner.

Originally posted by quanchi112
In the case of Thanos and the Surfer we know he's going well past billions of the speed of light and despite not knowing and relying on his own battle senses he was quick enough to react. I always back up my case, sport.

So, you're arguing powerset route? It's hard to tell. Oh, and no, you do not always back up your case, boy. And even if you did, it doesn't negate the fact that you ignore way too many points, questions and examples. Which hurts you more than not backing your case.

Originally posted by quanchi112
am glad you hid in the shadows from my wrath. It tickles my fancy. 🙂

Hard to tell if you're joking, or are just happy. Being serious though wouldn't surprise me. You do have an undeserved ego and love to stroke it. But if you are serious, sorry(well not really) to burst ya bubble, but I had lurked on there instead of being active well before you ever started annoying everybody there. Nobody is worried, or even the slightest bit concerned, about you or your wrath. Trust me Quancakes.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I never acted like he never uses his speed I act like he doesn't use it out of the gate and that he doesn't always use it.

Irrelevant strawman as my point had nothing to do with you, but hypocrisy on the Marvel side in general.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Due to the fact Gog jsa was retconned due to Johns.

Oh yeah, THAT'S explanatory. But I take your claims with a whole mine of salt, anyways. I guess Thanos never lost to Squirrel Girl, too.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You sound like jellyrobes but at least he stands by his convictions and doesn't hide in the shadows lurking.

I have no idea what the Hell you're talking about. Nor do I see what the point here is. Do you really think I was serious? It wouldn't surprise me in the least if you do.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It's like saying Surfer can open up a black hole in someone's ear. This isn't powerset arguing and we don't just make things up they have never done on panel due to personal bias.

We don't argue what is possible we argue based on the comics. What they show us. 🙂

Did you even read what I was replying to? I was simply pointing-out that some of the things that were referred to weren't necessarily as outlandish as he was saying. And even admitted that I didn't see the actual examples, so I couldn't be sure if they were as bad as he was claiming or not. Just drop it, it's stupid for you to respond to this, especially since what I said was NOT directed at you and had nothing to do with you whatsoever. For you to continue this is arguing for the sake of arguing and is dumb.

Originally posted by Delta1938
So, you continue to dodge my point, over and over and over and over again. Not surprised in the least. It's to be expected from you and your double standards. By the way, I never said anything about either Kal-El or Kal-L being more powerful than Superboy Prime. That would just be stupid. I merely brought-up SBP because Black Adam had the intent to kill him. It had nothing to do with what SBP did in the instance. I do however believe that Superman is more powerful than Black Adam. This isn't the only reason, though.

Yet you still dodge the point. Black Adam had the intent to kill SBP, he used his equivalent of Zeus-Amping when there were even more alternate Earths so it would've been more weakened, yet, nothing happened. No, I'm agreeing with Salsa's point that the context meant that the fact that it couldn't have been done before because there were no barriers to break.[/B]

Quan, meet Kettle. Go ahead and tell it it's black. You dodge yet again, kid.[/B]

Blah blah blah blah, dodge dodge dodge dodge. Fact is NE Superman wasn't prepared, NE Superman could've pulled off the same thing had he been prepared. By the way, KC Superman wasn't hit in the face, so NE Superman's nose being bloodied is irrelevant. You bringing that up is either a strawman, or your inability to notice things.[/B]

He was hit in the chin. Superman was elbowed in the mouth/chin.

And you're either saying a)Superman didn't expect the punch that followed the elbow and basically he's an idiot.

b)The punch sent him back hundreds of feet so that's far worse than the elbow.

Let's compare the punch Superman received to the punch Earth 22 Superman received.

This is what you call a direct comparison, boss. 🙂

So you want to tell the kettle it's black again? Oh yes, your arguments consist of dodging way too many points. And this is absolutely consistent with what I've seen of you on more than one place.[/B]

And you still don't get it? I want to SEE these examples, not you spouting them off. I don't mean this as an insult, but I have to say there's little reason to trust your account of things. Between your inability to tell that "expunged bacteria" was metaphorical instead of literal, and being too dense to realize you're wrong, I have trouble trusting anything you say about what happened, even if I could trust you to be HONEST. I really do think you could even screw-up KC Superman being able to hear something NE Superman couldn't.[/B]

By the way on the Kryptonite example? I saw KC Superman's eyes hurt by some Kryptonite dust. And oh yeah, far as I know it wasn't from his own Earth. If that is the case, that's just bad.[/B]

And this just gives me further reason to distrust your account of anything. Either your memory is HORRIBLE, or you're flat-out lying. You did not argue shields because someone went the powerset route or it was relevant. You would always IMMEDIATELY jump to he instantly threw up his shields in any example where you thought he might be threatened. AND you were arguing that he had translight reflexes because of the Fallen One example, which is going the powerset route it's self. Despite numerous people showing all the faults in that argument. I never once saw you admit you might be wrong there, you stuck by it. You're either lying to me now, or you're simply forgetting. Which is REALLY bad considering how many times you argued exactly in that manner.[/B]

So, you're arguing powerset route? It's hard to tell. Oh, and no, you do not always back up your case, boy. And even if you did, it doesn't negate the fact that you ignore way too many points, questions and examples. Which hurts you more than not backing your case.[/B]

Hard to tell if you're joking, or are just happy. Being serious though wouldn't surprise me. You do have an undeserved ego and love to stroke it. But if you are serious, sorry(well not really) to burst ya bubble, but I had lurked on there instead of being active well before you ever started annoying everybody there. Nobody is worried, or even the slightest bit concerned, about you or your wrath. Trust me Quancakes.
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Irrelevant strawman as my point had nothing to do with you, but hypocrisy on the Marvel side in general.

Oh yeah, THAT'S explanatory. But I take your claims with a whole mine of salt, anyways. I guess Thanos never lost to Squirrel Girl, too.

I have no idea what the Hell you're talking about. Nor do I see what the point here is. Do you really think I was serious? It wouldn't surprise me in the least if you do.

Did you even read what I was replying to? I was simply pointing-out that some of the things that were referred to weren't necessarily as outlandish as he was saying. And even admitted that I didn't see the actual examples, so I couldn't be sure if they were as bad as he was claiming or not. Just drop it, it's stupid for you to respond to this, especially since what I said was NOT directed at you and had nothing to do with you whatsoever. For you to continue this is arguing for the sake of arguing and is dumb. [/B]

That's irrelevant to the thread what my opinion is. You seem like you want me to get upset.

You are arguing about a character you have little to no knowledge of. Your answers and points are hilarious and make it so easy to tell you just aren't aware about Earth 22 Superman.