Originally posted by Delta1938It's the same thing with two Thor hammers colliding and affecting all of reality. It doesn't mean a whole heckuva lot anyway but the instance with the two mjolnirs isn't diminished by reality being in a state of upheaval.
I see many people bring this up to try and dismiss the showing. There was a mention of the fabric being effected, but it also stated that the more worlds there were, the weaker it'd get. And there were MANY more worlds when Black Adam was freed and attacked Superboy Prime, with the intent to kill him. With his equivalent of Zeus-Amped punches. What happened? Nothing. So, what does that say that someone who's allegedly Superman's peer amps the force of his blows when the situation makes the fabric even weaker and still fails to do much of anything? I say it says that people should stop dismissing what Kal-L and Kal-El did.
It's like Odin and Seth affecting all of reality in one showing and in another between Galactus and Odin nothing even close to that happens. That doesn't mean Seth and Odin are more powerful than Galactus and Odin. This stuff doesn't really determine superiority it's just window dressing.
That's ridiculous. If someone swings a sledgehammer at my face I won't do any better if I stand there and brace for it. Irl people move out of the way they wouldn't just stand there and take a free shot to the face. I didn't say Superman can't tank punches from greater foes but in this instance they both were hit one didn't budge. One could hear things the other couldn't to demonstrate superiority.
So, what are these comparisons again? The only example I see that people use to argue KC Superman>New Earth Superman is the Hercules comparison. But as Salsa pointed-out, it really looked like a case of New Earth Superman wasn't prepared but KC was. And really, NE Superman has the feats to support this. He's tanked punches from Supergirl, DOS Doomsday, Pocketverse Superboy and more, all who are stronger than Hercules, when he's prepared. And the punch catching KC Superman did? NE Superman has caught Wonder Woman's punch, as well as her full-body charge, with casualness, and while weakened, caught Captain Marvel's punch. And both are stronger than Hercules.[/B]
Comparative showings like this and the fact Kc Superman has been exposed to the yellow solar energy longer.
I really do want to see these examples that make you think KC Superman is stronger than NE Superman.Oh, and if you want to continue where we left off a while back, go ahead and bump the threads and please send me PMs with the links. If you won't, I'll try to get around to it soon.[/B]
The space/time shattering feat is just window dressing. It proves nothing. I also think the timing of the feat has to be taken into consideration.Well, I disagree about what Kal-L was shown to be. I mean, he didn't have all that many appearances after COIE that I'm aware of, but he still had that space/time shattering feat. But also, Kal-L was shown to be at least a notch below Earth-One Superman Pre-CRISIS, so of course he'll look inferior to Superboy Prime who I believe was closer to E1 Supes.
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That's untrue. Characters vary writer to writer but the portrayal of precrisis characters isn't in the same ballpark as it used to be.This I agree on. There's a pretty consistent hypocrisy by a lot of Marvel fans in stuff like this. Also reminds me of how they try to dismiss speed-blitz arguments by going, "And how often does (Character X That's Not A Member Of The Flash Family) speedblitz?" yet bring-up obscure powers that their preferred character has used once or twice when it helps them, even if the power was used less often than speedblitzing. [/B]