Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Anyone here want to guess as to what formula would work for DC? By that I mean which line up of heroes and villain(s) would work best for a JLA movie, with sequels in mind.Here's my own take on a formula.
DC phase 1
[b]JLA 1: Legends
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JLA cast:Superman - for obvious reasons
Batman - sells more than Superman these days
Flash - easy to pull off and a fun character. His background isn't meshed up like some other characters.
Wonder Woman - they could make WW's background and the Amazon's central to the JLA.
Black Canary - Another easy supporting member similar to Black Window.The plot centrals around a battered Wonder Woman showing up in Metropolis seeking help from Superman. She tells of a meteor crashing on Themyscira but to the Amazonians' horror the thing was alive. A monster a unstoppable rage (Doomsday) rampaging across her home land. He decides to aid her and the two soon find themselves unable to stop the creature, who keeps on evolving pass their attacks. Deciding they needed help, Superman and Diane show up to Gotham to find Batman, seeking his advice on the matter. Bruce decides on a plan, involving Kryptonian tech, and brings Flash and Canary in.
As they reach Themyscira, to their horror, they find out from the remaining Amazonians' that the monster had been trapped and taken by a group of unknown black ops, heavily equipped and trained. As they retreat and monitor the globe for the creature, news break of a creature destroying Lex Corp and rampaging across the city. The team shows up to confront DD yet find themselves at the mercy of the creature who destroys every Kryptonian tech thrown at him. As Superman, WW, and Flash try desperately fight on while Canary and Batman disappear, Bruce notes that not every Kryptonian weapon has been used; the Phantom Zone projector had been broken by Zod when he escaped and thus could not be used. But in such a dire time, Bruce decides to seek out the projector and enlist Luthor's aid in repairing it.
Though due to misunderstanding, Luthor sends his guards to kill both heroes. After a hard fought battle, Luthor gives in and decides to help. When they finally arrive, the heroes had fought Doomsday across multiple states. They were all on there last breathes, unable to stop Doomsday from turning his rage upon the last remaining JLA members. As he charges for them, Superman and the Flash, pushes on one final time, to hold back the monster, who's only some feet away from crushing Batman. Bruce activates the projector, just seconds after Doomsday knocks both heroes away, and ends the threat. The citizens shout with a roar and cheer the heroes on as the President of the United States thanking them for their heroics and their much needed team work in such a crisis.
Ending credit scene: Brainiac watching from above in his ship orbiting Earth. His experiment had broken loose but now he ponders on about a greater threat. The lost son of Krypton now has allies to call on.
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Aquaman movieDC phase 2
JLA 2: Atlantis Attacks.
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The death of an Atlantian royal (by Brainiac) instigates a war between Atlantis and the surface world. The heroes find out there's more to this world then they could imagine - along with a very pissed off Aquaman. Their war abruptly ends when both sides realized they had been manipulated. Brainiac reveals that he was behind it all and had hope both side would have killed each other but now he finds he has to do it himself.Ending scene: On board the defeated Brainiac's ship, the league could monitor the entire globe beyond even Wayne technology. They also stumble upon an invasion force headed for Earth.
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New Gods movieDC phase 3
JLA 3: The Sinestro War [/B]
Very nice plan. Seriously, WB does not NEED to follow the Avengers format to be successful. Not at all.
Originally posted by Golgo13
I think Robinov has a plan, because if the movie bombs that is his job down the toilet. And starting with Man of Steel is a good way to jump start a shared universe.
Well, the first attempt to broaden things out was Green Lantern, and that was a greatly disappointing flop. And Man Of Steel got greenlit really to beat a court deadline set for the Siegel-Shuster estate to get back the rights. All is stable on the Batman front, but things are shaky everywhere else for the cinematic DC universe.
Ironically, the Harry Potter series is partially to blame. Warner Bros. has owned the rights to the DC universe for several decades, and could have had Justice League on the big screen many years earlier, when CGI FX work was starting to change industry expectations. But then they got ahold of Harry Potter and started a whole pipeline system to get the films out as fast as possible. They raked in billions in revenue, but now the party is over as the books and films ended, and they are left looking at Marvel far ahead on the horizon, who after years of legal squabbles and false starts shot out of the gate with large quantities of film adaptions, then created their own studio to do what DC/Warner Bros. should have done decades earlier - create a shared cinematic universe just like the comics. Unfortunately, DC/Warner Bros. will always be looked upon as just following Marvel's example from hereon out.
If the plan is still to do JL and spin off characters from there, that's a plan that collapsed once before, under director George Miller. They should do 1-2 films at least beforehand; Superman meets Batman, they get introduced to Wonder Woman, then the rest in one team.
Originally posted by roughrider
Well, the first attempt to broaden things out was Green Lantern, and that was a greatly disappointing flop. And Man Of Steel got greenlit really to beat a court deadline set for the Siegel-Shuster estate to get back the rights. All is stable on the Batman front, but things are shaky everywhere else for the cinematic DC universe.Ironically, the Harry Potter series is partially to blame. Warner Bros. has owned the rights to the DC universe for several decades, and could have had Justice League on the big screen many years earlier, when CGI FX work was starting to change industry expectations. But then they got ahold of Harry Potter and started a whole pipeline system to get the films out as fast as possible. They raked in billions in revenue, but now the party is over as the books and films ended, and they are left looking at Marvel far ahead on the horizon, who after years of legal squabbles and false starts shot out of the gate with large quantities of film adaptions, then created their own studio to do what DC/Warner Bros. should have done decades earlier - create a shared cinematic universe just like the comics. Unfortunately, DC/Warner Bros. will always be looked upon as just following Marvel's example from hereon out.
If the plan is still to do JL and spin off characters from there, that's a plan that collapsed once before, under director George Miller. They should do 1-2 films at least beforehand; Superman meets Batman, they get introduced to Wonder Woman, then the rest in one team.
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Originally posted by roughrider
Well, the first attempt to broaden things out was Green Lantern, and that was a greatly disappointing flop. And Man Of Steel got greenlit really to beat a court deadline set for the Siegel-Shuster estate to get back the rights. All is stable on the Batman front, but things are shaky everywhere else for the cinematic DC universe.Ironically, the Harry Potter series is partially to blame. Warner Bros. has owned the rights to the DC universe for several decades, and could have had Justice League on the big screen many years earlier, when CGI FX work was starting to change industry expectations. But then they got ahold of Harry Potter and started a whole pipeline system to get the films out as fast as possible. They raked in billions in revenue, but now the party is over as the books and films ended, and they are left looking at Marvel far ahead on the horizon, who after years of legal squabbles and false starts shot out of the gate with large quantities of film adaptions, then created their own studio to do what DC/Warner Bros. should have done decades earlier - create a shared cinematic universe just like the comics. Unfortunately, DC/Warner Bros. will always be looked upon as just following Marvel's example from hereon out.
If the plan is still to do JL and spin off characters from there, that's a plan that collapsed once before, under director George Miller. They should do 1-2 films at least beforehand; Superman meets Batman, they get introduced to Wonder Woman, then the rest in one team.
WB outlook was much different, because they are basically the most profitable studio each year, because of Harry Potter. Starting their own shared universe wasn't in the books at the time, but now that Harry Potter & Nolan's Batman are finished (as you said), they are looking at other avenues to rank in the cash.
Which is one of the reasons they brought in Diane Nelson (who was largely responsible for the Potter films.)
Originally posted by Golgo13
WB outlook was much different, because they are basically the most profitable studio each year, because of Harry Potter. Starting their own shared universe wasn't in the books at the time, but now that Harry Potter & Nolan's Batman are finished (as you said), they are looking at other avenues to rank in the cash.Which is one of the reasons they brought in Diane Nelson (who was largely responsible for the Potter films.)
Yes, all true. The reason they gave years ago about why so fewer DC movies compared to Marvel movies, was that the studio was occupied with Harry Potter getting the bulk of their marketing resources - but that they were looking to work heavily on DC properties once the series was over. If Green Lantern was the first attempt at this under DC Entertainment, that's a rocky start. I think they have been rethinking their strategy since then. That's why Man Of Steel is a curiosity; they continue to deny there will be any hints of a crossover with another property, but that's something that could get inserted by the end credits, just like the first Iron Man. If they really want to get a shared universe started, or just play it safe forever...it should start there.
Marvel creating their Ultimate line of comics, it was like a dry run for how a movie franchise could work, with modern interpretations of the old heroes. If that's what was behind the launch of The New 52 in 2011, well...
Originally posted by roughrider
Yes, all true. The reason they gave years ago about why so fewer DC movies compared to Marvel movies, was that the studio was occupied with Harry Potter getting the bulk of their marketing resources - but that they were looking to work heavily on DC properties once the series was over. If Green Lantern was the first attempt at this under DC Entertainment, that's a rocky start. I think they have been rethinking their strategy since then. That's why Man Of Steel is a curiosity; they continue to deny there will be any hints of a crossover with another property, but that's something that could get inserted by the end credits, just like the first Iron Man. If they really want to get a shared universe started, or just play it safe forever...it should start there.Marvel creating their Ultimate line of comics, it was like a dry run for how a movie franchise could work, with modern interpretations of the old heroes. If that's what was behind the launch of The New 52 in 2011, well...
TBF, Diane Nelson came after the Green Lantern crash. And people act like it's easy to come up with a blockbuster. I mean, if it were so easy, everyone would be doing it. It's a bit more challenging on DC/WB side for producing quality movies.
Look at how many bombs are already out there. From Fantastic Four to Hulk, to Green Lantern, etc.... It's not so easy.
I fully believe Man of Steel will be good. I think it's the type of thing WB is hoping for, because if it bombs too, well, there goes someones job.
Originally posted by Golgo13
TBF, Diane Nelson came after the Green Lantern crash. And people act like it's easy to come up with a blockbuster. I mean, if it were so easy, everyone would be doing it. It's a bit more challenging on DC/WB side for producing quality movies.Look at how many bombs are already out there. From Fantastic Four to Hulk, to Green Lantern, etc.... It's not so easy.
The difference is the Marvel movies never overspent on their budgets. That way even a movie that didn't do well like Ghost Rider, Hulk, Daredevil (I actually liked daredevil) were not disasters setting their movies back years. And they just kept on bringing them until they got the formula right.
With WB it's like one attempt every few years, they overspend, it fails and that stops them for another few years.
Originally posted by -Pr-
It would have been easy as **** to make GL suck less. Just leave out Parallax.
Really? I would have thought leaving out Hector Hammond, the over cheesy lines and most the bulls*** story on Earth would have made it a much better movie.
I really enjoyed the GL animated movies which were just about this intergalactic police force, focusing on the first human to join them.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I really enjoyed the GL animated movies which were just about this intergalactic police force, focusing on the first human to join them.
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That is what they needed to focus on. Forming an actual bond between Sinestro and Hal, the first human Green Lantern.
New trailer for Man of Steel:
YouTube video
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
The difference is the Marvel movies never overspent on their budgets. That way even a movie that didn't do well like Ghost Rider, Hulk, Daredevil (I actually liked daredevil) were not disasters setting their movies back years. And they just kept on bringing them until they got the formula right.With WB it's like one attempt every few years, they overspend, it fails and that stops them for another few years.
Really? I would have thought leaving out Hector Hammond, the over cheesy lines and most the bulls*** story on Earth would have made it a much better movie.
I really enjoyed the GL animated movies which were just about this intergalactic police force, focusing on the first human to join them.
GL is the only one that overspent. Like I said before, Superman Returns wasn't a complete failure and made it's money back. And WB isn't a studio that only makes "super hero" films. It's a myth that there in competition to make the best super hero films and the most. They never were. But now that Potter is over, the game has changed and they know mainstream heroes like Superman and Batman can make them money. Better yet, they know that a movie like the JLA can spin out possible blockbusters, if done right.
And seeing the new Man of Steel trailer, I think it's going to be pretty big. I'm glad this is a start of a shared universe.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
The difference is the Marvel movies never overspent on their budgets. That way even a movie that didn't do well like Ghost Rider, Hulk, Daredevil (I actually liked daredevil) were not disasters setting their movies back years. And they just kept on bringing them until they got the formula right.With WB it's like one attempt every few years, they overspend, it fails and that stops them for another few years.
Really? I would have thought leaving out Hector Hammond, the over cheesy lines and most the bulls*** story on Earth would have made it a much better movie.
I really enjoyed the GL animated movies which were just about this intergalactic police force, focusing on the first human to join them.
Oh, and one more thing, all those movies have different studios. Daredevil was Fox, Ghost Rider was Colombia, and Hulk was Universal. Not to mention Marvel Studios/Disney, so Marvel had to push for multiple studios to pump out their properties, while WB is only ONE studio, which is why they never were in direct competition.
Originally posted by Golgo13IT's not like Marvel currently wants all its properties spreadout like that.
Oh, and one more thing, all those movies have different studios. Daredevil was Fox, Ghost Rider was Colombia, and Hulk was Universal. Not to mention Marvel Studios/Disney, so Marvel had to push for multiple studios to pump out their properties, while WB is only ONE studio, which is why they never were in direct competition.
More importantly look at their track record for their in house movies. They have done pretty well for themselves in making good comic book movies.
Originally posted by Blair Wind
👆That is what they needed to focus on. Forming an actual bond between Sinestro and Hal, the first human Green Lantern.
New trailer for Man of Steel:
YouTube video
Definitely promising. The Nolan/Snyder creative marriage might work out after all. 👆
The challenge will be to balance out the savior mystique the movies have traded heavily in, with the narrative demands of putting him in a larger universe. We got to see why Thor works with others less powerful than him in Avengers; we need as viewers(plus the casual fans) to buy why Superman needs Batman & others in the JL, what they bring to the table that Clark doesn't.
That's if they want to do this shared universe...
Originally posted by Newjak
IT's not like Marvel currently wants all its properties spreadout like that.More importantly look at their track record for their in house movies. They have done pretty well for themselves in making good comic book movies.
I never said they did. I was responding to the other posters post about the failures and how they can freely launch them, if the budgets were small. If it was under one studio, it would be false. Under multiple it would be true.