Originally posted by Q99
Probably because of the 'he's a top-level GL, only magic,' factor, which makes him a rather bad matchup for Superman.
Nah!
DC has made Superman face Demons on their realm, so it does not have to do with being top level. at least not IMO.
It has to do with something else. They often face Hal with Alan and IIRC Hal fares pretty good against Alan.
People have matched up well with Alan on occasion. Kyle has held his own with him, Hal as well. And he was among the easily-dispatched fodder in the Parallax thing. He's not without "normal" or "average" showings.
But what has always separated him is his top showings. He went team-buster during the JSA/JLA Starheart crossover, and iirc Superman was among those against him. If he actually lets loose, this isn't a contest. It's Alan throwing the book of willpower at him and scolding him like a child.
Originally posted by Zack Fair
Can you post scans of that ffight with parallax?
Sure, just to correct myself this was AFTER Zero hour.
Parallax took on the JLA alone and then Superman faces him alone.
The Parallax entity is still inside him when He is facing Superman
This is way before the last power up of OWAW
I've never noticed how He counters GL's energy with his HV and I always thought "Superman why You didn't snap Parallax neck when You have the chance?"
Originally posted by Digi
People have matched up well with Alan on occasion. Kyle has held his own with him, Hal as well. And he was among the easily-dispatched fodder in the Parallax thing. He's not without "normal" or "average" showings.But what has always separated him is his top showings. He went team-buster during the JSA/JLA Starheart crossover, and iirc Superman was among those against him. If he actually lets loose, this isn't a contest. It's Alan throwing the book of willpower at him and scolding him like a child.
Tbh I haven't even started reading that series but doing some research I think it was Supergirl. Maybe I should get that whole series I think is already in TPB
Originally posted by biensalsa
Sure, just to correct myself this was AFTER Zero hour.Parallax took on the JLA alone and then Superman faces him alone.
The Parallax entity is still inside him when He is facing Superman
This is way before the last power up of OWAW
I've never noticed how He counters GL's energy with his HV and I always thought "Superman why You didn't snap Parallax neck when You have the chance?"
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Nobody even really cares that this is the original elite Green Lantern... whose power is magic based...... [b]magic based
.C'mon now. 😬 [/B]
Well like Pillar said, Superman could bring a 2x4 vs Allan.
What Digi mentioned, it seems Allan is very powerful at the end of the post crisis.
I have not read that series yet, but if He is that powerful, I don't have any problem seeing Allan winning since I mentioned since the beginning.
I'll say it again:
Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Superman isn't as vulnerable to magic as people think. It's more like he isn't INVULNERABLE to it. It's funny he's one of the only characters that people say is vulnerable to magic, when MANY other characters are also. I've seen magic affect the Silver Surfer, and what's funny is people don't constantly say he's vulnerable to magic, even though he is. Thor has been affected by magic too. Again, no one goes out of their way to say he's vulnerable to magic. Superman has magical resistance feats that put to shame many characters who people don't commonly say are vulnerable to magic.
Why is it if this thread was Alan Scott vs Thor would people not feel the need to say Thor is vulneraBle to magic?
Originally posted by PillarofOsirisBecause Thor has no stated vulnerability to magic, unlike Superman. Semantics and wordplay doesn't change that. Captain Marvel's magic lightning bolt will phuck Superman up more than Thor. That's a vulnerability, since they are peers in durability. It's not hard. Superman may shrug off magic sometimes, but frankly he's shrugged off kryptonite and red sun radiation just as many (if not more) times and they are obviously indisputable vulnerabilities.
I'll say it again:Why is it if this thread was Alan Scott vs Thor would people not feel the need to say Thor is vulneraBle to magic?
And I'd be happy to battlezone anybody over this issue because it's a tired argument.
Anyway, to ignore it here would be like ignoring it in a Superman vs Silver Surfer thread... where Silver Surfer's Power Cosmic is actually pure magic. You people don't think that would make a real difference?
C'mon now. 😬
Superman's magic vulnerability varies wildly depending on writer and situation. We all know he has good showings against it. But it's there in some form, and just as he has good showings, he has bad ones with magic as well. It might not be a "lulz stomp" factor in this fight, but it is indeed an advantage for Alan (a character most feel is already > Superman). If you feel it's close and you're looking to break a tie, this is as good a reason as any.
So to answer Pillar's question, people wouldn't say Thor is vulnerable to magic because he isn't.
And Thor also has a plot device energy absorbing weapon which gives him a huge boon against Lantern type enemies. I will say that Superman's showings against magic vary wildly from writer to writer, but it is consistently shown and stated that magic is something Superman is disadvantaged against, whether he's outright "weak" to it or is simply not invulnerable to it.
My point is Thor is not invulnerable to magic...there are numerous times where magic has wrecked Thor.
There are times where magic has wrecked the SS.
The Hulk can also be wasted by magic.
So can Superman, there's no question about it.
But I've seen Superman shrug off magic far more powerful than magic that has affected a guy like the Hulk, and no one claims Hulk is vulnerable to magic everytime he fights a magic user.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
And Thor also has a plot device energy absorbing weapon which gives him a huge boon against Lantern type enemies. I will say that Superman's showings against magic vary wildly from writer to writer, but it is consistently shown and stated that magic is something Superman is disadvantaged against, whether he's outright "weak" to it or is simply not invulnerable to it.
I agree with everything you have said, except I will say it's more accurate to say he's not invulnerable to it, rather than weak to it.
