Delta1938
True King of House of El
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Superman did not win that initial H2H fight in Superman/Batman. Superman's cuts, bruises and stark admission evince that.Superman being weak to magic doesn't necessitate that he's as weak as a normal defenseless human being to it. That I've had to address this blatant false dichotomy multiple times only reveals how shallow of a counter-argument there actually is here and the paucity of evidence being relied on. Acting like Superman's weakness to magic is an all or nothing affair doesn't disprove that he is weaker to magic than his peers.
Magic is a significant factor. It has been in almost every single instance where Superman confronts magic. That is the plain, clear interpretation that has been spoonfed for decades of Superman comics for virtually all of his incarnations from the oldest to the newest. Acting otherwise is convenient pandering and bonethrowing at its best. At its worse, its blundering incompetence. The comics cannot be clearer.
Wrong.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Try posting the previous pages where Thor is fighting Hulk. That lightning bolt was not the one thing that Thor hit Hulk with during that fight. Accordingly, it was not a one shot, it was the last shot. This forum myth of Thor one-shotting Hulk with lightning is as ignorant as the forum myth that Superman isn't anymore weak to magic than anyone else.It's not a myth. Hulk was beat-down, recovered, got-up, then got one-shot. Not my fault Hulk's stupid.
[QUOTE=13900340]Originally posted by OneDumbG0
[B]How you ignore Superman's cut up face (and Billy's lack of) just as he makes that clear statement is beyond me. Reread the comic and don't waste my time. That you'd argue against me is one thing, that you'd argue against Superman's own statements and fights is something wholly different.
I hope you're just trolling because if you think this--
--is losing a fight, or being inferior in one, you need glasses(or a better prescription), have some serious competency issues or are just a Superman-hater. Superman's statement says one thing, his actions prove the opposite. Not to mention the fact that Superman's in less than peak condition, but still schools Billy.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
More vulnerable.Because his peers are not as vulnerable as Superman is. You think Black Adam is going to fight Captain Marvel and remark, "Captain Marvel's powers are based on magic. Toe-to-toe, he's got the advantage!" N1gga, please. There's a reason Superman god damn spelled it out for you. As it's virtually spelled out every time he confronts magic.
This is one of the DUMBEST attempts at a counter for people arguing against Superman being specifically more vulnerable to magick than others. Salsa and I are referring to non-mystically powered beings. You're bringing-up those who ARE powered by magick and would have a particular resistance to it? That's just stupid, plain and simple.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Half of your own out-of-context scans that you "carefully" cherry-picked backfired utterly on you by highlighting Superman's heightened reactions to magic.
So I guess everything you don't like is out-of-context, cherry-picked or both.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
To be fair, this thread is Superman versus Alan Scott, who happens to be a very powerful character in his own right and is powered by a potent source of magic. So yeah, Superman's showings against magic is going to be a relevant topic here.Other characters aren't shown or stated to have a vulnerability or weakness or disadvantage (depending on the showing) to magic to the same degree Superman is, though. So, I'm not sure what bringing up other characters not named Superman and how they deal with magic has anything to do with this specific thread.
I will say that Superman does have good showings of enduring mystical onslaughts. No one can deny that. Conversely, no one can or should deny that consistently magic/mystical based weapons/attacks/etc are shown, alluded, or stated to be a problem for Superman.
I really don't know just how powerful Alan Scott is. If he's way above a typical Green Lantern, then fine. But just because his power source is mystically enhanced, I don't see him having any greater advantage over Superman than regular GLs. And Superman did ok against PARALLAX, who arguably was enhanced. If Alan uses the Starheart energy to do stuff along the lines of casting spells then yeah, I can see him having a bigger edge, because Superman doesn't really have a resistance to stuff like that. But unless Alan makes blade constructs(I'd figure blade constructs of mystical energy would have similar properties to enchanted blades) then I don't see his constructs being any more effective because of their power source. I don't see Superman hurt more by mystical blasts than by equivalently powerful non-mystical blasts. I don't see Superman hurt by punches from Wonder Woman, Etrigan, Black Adam, Captain Marvel, ect anymore than equivalently strong non-mystical opponents.
